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#1 barabadwan
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Back, and vandi ol' boy, I said you should raise some support for your argument, and you did not. Shall we drop this now? Vandalvideo
You know that not having much support, which I do have some people in here agreeing which you so carefully ignored, doesn't affect my arguement in any way, shape or form. It never has and never will. Thats why the whole "Fun is subjective" thread a few months ago went on for so long. All the nintendo fanboys were against one man....on a mission...who won. *Holds up a poster of himself striking a Duke Nukem pose*

So basically, eventhough everyone disagreed with you you still consider yourself the winner? good for you

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#2 barabadwan
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="barabadwan"]Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. Vandalvideo

Because not only do you have an engaging story, but you ALSO have the fun that we've previously been talking about. I expect not only fun from a product that costs that much, but also a great story

ok fine listen I understand what you're saying, my favourite genre is Adventure games so deep stories matter to me, but when you look at the video games as a whole they don't rely on story lines soley to be successful. Some of the best games have shallow storylines (e.g Zelda) but that doesn't make them any less acclaimed the reason being they deliver the main purpose of the video game medium which is entertainment. Games such as Zelda and Mario entertain us through gameplay while games such as Monkey Island and Grim Fandango entertain us through storylines. When a game has both thats wonderful but the fact that a game is focuse on one aspect doesn't detract from its merit. In the end, if you wish to play games that only have deep stories you're going to miss out on some of the masterpieces of gaming. But to each his own.

Its simply a matter of degrees here man. Why buy a 50 dollar fun game with bad story when I can buy a 5 dollar game with bad story? Its easy.

You know what, buy Plinko get drunk and have the time of you life. there is no point arguing with you if you're just going to jump over all the points I mention and just keep repeating yourself.

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#3 barabadwan
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[QUOTE="barabadwan"]Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about. Vandalvideo
Because not only do you have an engaging story, but you ALSO have the fun that we've previously been talking about. I expect not only fun from a product that costs that much, but also a great story

ok fine listen I understand what you're saying, my favourite genre is Adventure games so deep stories matter to me, but when you look at the video games as a whole they don't rely on story lines soley to be successful. Some of the best games have shallow storylines (e.g Zelda) but that doesn't make them any less acclaimed the reason being they deliver the main purpose of the video game medium which is entertainment. Games such as Zelda and Mario entertain us through gameplay while games such as Monkey Island and Grim Fandango entertain us through storylines. When a game has both thats wonderful but the fact that a game is focuse on one aspect doesn't detract from its merit. In the end, if you wish to play games that only have deep stories you're going to miss out on some of the masterpieces of gaming. But to each his own.

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[QUOTE="barabadwan"]I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but the main purpose of video games is entertainment, in other words having fun. Yes quite insane I know but its the truth, engrossing stories interesting dialouge and philosophical question can all be found in books, it seems to me that you would be better off reading Dostoyevsky than playing Video Games. Fun is subjective but it can be compared, for example, I have more fun playing Mario Galaxy than I have playing Plinko, that is why I pay 50$ for it. That is whay I pay for Video Games, to have fun. If you simply don't want to have fun I suggest you drop 10$ and go buy yourself a decent novel it will satisfy your needs and would stop this silly arguement. Vandalvideo
Unfortunately, you haven't said anything I haven't already adressed previously. Since fun is entirely subjective, you CAN NOT compare fun as a universal. Just because you find Mario galaxy to be "more fun" than plinko does not by any stretch of the imagination make that a universal fact. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Fun has to be a constant for the sake of derailing into an entirely different arguement here. Just because you find Galaxies more fun than Plinko doesn't mean that will hold true for other people. I may hypotheticall have just as much fun playing Plinko than I would Galaxies. Thats why I really am not focusing on relative fun here. I'm focusing on externalities. I'm saying with fun as a constant, why should I pay 50 dollars for a fun game with no story when I can pay 5 dollars for a fun gam with no story? Fun doesn't justify the price point. I made a valid request that I require more than just fun in a product I pay exhorbant ammounts of money on. Sorry, go fish.

Why should I pay 50$ for a video game with story when I can pay 10$ for a novel which would have a much deeper story? If that is the only aspect in Video Games you care about.

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#5 barabadwan
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

In advance, sorry to any future unreplied arguments, but arguing the philosphy of fun isn't what I came here for, and that's what it's turning into.

I think you can say what you like, that mario is not any more fun than a beer and a board game, but your lack support for such an argumetn. I'll see if you can raise some when I get back, but atm in the idea of measurable fun which you seem to believe impossible while on a gaming forum arguing scores made based on the idea of measuring fun, I think I would have more fun watching my bro paly chibi robo than listening to this headache enducing twisted logic that no game designer should ever make a game around..

In short, be back later.

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Its my opinion, something that is simply not disprovable in any way, shape or form. I've already established that fun is entirely subjective in all its capacity and you CAN NOT measure fun. its as simple as that. Why should I buy a 50 dolalr fun game without story when I can buy a 5 dolalr fun game without story? I simple expect more out of a game than "fun". Can you not understand that? I'm not talking about relative fun here, I'm saying I expect MORE than just fun from my video games. If I wanted mindless self indulgence I'd go buy carnival games.

I hate to be the one who breaks this to you but the main purpose of video games is entertainment, in other words having fun. Yes quite insane I know but its the truth, engrossing stories interesting dialouge and philosophical question can all be found in books, it seems to me that you would be better off reading Dostoyevsky than playing Video Games. Fun is subjective but it can be compared, for example, I have more fun playing Mario Galaxy than I have playing Plinko, that is why I pay 50$ for it. That is whay I pay for Video Games, to have fun. If you simply don't want to have fun I suggest you drop 10$ and go buy yourself a decent novel it will satisfy your needs and would stop this silly arguement.

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#6 barabadwan
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Assassins Creed??? Really?

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Oh, man that's a good one. I guess Sitting on a bench is the gameplay mechanic we have all been waiting for.

How can the sequel possibly top that? Laying on a mat? Reclining in a chair? Leaning against a wall?

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Actually, the sad part is that laying on a matt is already a part of Asassin's Creed.

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#8 barabadwan
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I wouldn't be too surprised if they delayed it, didn't Remedy keep delaying Max Payne?
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#9 barabadwan
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I wouldn't be too surprised if they delayed it, didn't Remedy keep delaying Max Payne?
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#10 barabadwan
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I had a dream when I was younger where I was stuck in a haunted house, but the thing is I knew I was dreaming so I kept trying different methods to wake myself up. It was one fun night.