And I really don't want to learn math so what I can do with it is even more and more limited as I learn more and more, I'd have to just paint myself into a corner where I don't need to use complex math because I really don't want to learn it.

I've also installed and used NetBSD and FreeBSD, and various distributions of Linux, like:

Slackware, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuse, Debian...

I use Fedora now. I just tried to start learning some Common Lisp and the book is complex and I'm starting to get lost and it's too much to remember and I'm trying to think of what to do and what not to do because I obviously should just not do a great many things and stick to getting good with a very few things but what I should do is just not coming to mind after all this time and I'm stuck and have nothing to do and nothing to show for anything I've learned and it's almost all useless except for the knowledge of some things that I've gained, which only lead to learning more and more and I can't see myself being able to keep learning about all of this because it's just leading nowhere.

No, I wasn't being serious, but it definitely feels like I've spent that long learning things and I just have nothing to show for it and nothing to do with it.

I have spent time reading about Python, C, C++, a little bit of Ruby, a little bit of Common Lisp, the free book on Perl that's on their website...

I've used Linux exclusively for a long time and read a some about Qt programming. A little bit about Qt, a little bit about GTK. I've learned a lot about the command-line. Bash and cat and ls and dd and vim and emacs and on and on and on, and it's lead nowhere. I have nothing to do. I sit here and have nothing to do with what I know, other than the command-line and the most basic of things because it just leads nowhere and I have nothing to do and nothing to show for all the time I've spent.

[QUOTE="c_moriarty"]

I want to program something. I don't want to spend five years learning something like the knowledge needed to write a simple text editor. It's sucking the life force out of my body.

GabuEx

So you want to do something, but you don't want to learn the skills needed to do it.

Don't we all.

I want programming skill, not the ability to look at C++ and recognize a for loop, or capitalize all the characters in a string. I don't want to learn math. I don't want to spend ten years learning about programming so that I can make something that is inferior to what is already in existence. I don't want to work on a large team of people and be the idiot who reformats the comments because I'm an idiot. I want real programming skill. Real programming skill, obviously, is not knowing a language. Because I know a lot about C and C++. Enough, even, to say "I know them." I can't make anything worth making. So, programming is not knowing a language. It obviously takes me fifteen years of constant study to learn a programming language. Now I have to get a library of books to learn what to do with it. It's draining my life out of me. My life force, like something out of Star Wars, is just being sucked out of me into a vortex of blackness and fibonacci functions and libraries with five thousand functions that I have to learn after spending fifteen years on C++ to make something useful or understand how anything works. It has become an almost ethereal and spritually deep black hole of leads to nowhere nothingness.

I want to program something. I don't want to spend five years learning something like the knowledge needed to write a simple text editor. It's sucking the life force out of my body.

If being able to write a program that capitalizes all the characters in a string made me giggle with glee, I'd certainly be impressed by my (what feel like) fifty years of sitting here at this computer and learning about computers and programming.

[QUOTE="c_moriarty"]

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]

Programming leads to nowhere? Lol okay...

GabuEx

Wow, that's a good argument... I never thought of it that way. I'm being sarcastic.

You know what programming leads to to everyone who doesn't really, truly know programming? Making things. Do you know how many people and billions of lines of code it takes to make things that anyone cares about? If you do, programming leads nowhere. If you think it's funny that programming leads nowhere, you must be good at programming, I'm assuming. Write me an extremely basic operating system, that has as its applications:

1. a text editor.

2. a web browser.

Thanks.

Making large software solutions requires a team of programmers; therefore, programming leads nowhere.

Right.

I feel almost certain that we're being trolled here.

I didn't say that a team of programmers leads nowhere, my friend. I said programming leads nowhere.

And Pernicio Enigma, if you don't specialize in writing extremely basic operating systems and a text editor and a browser, just write me one of the above. That's what programming leads to, correct? So write me a text editor or a web browser all by yourself. Don't make it a sourceforge project, just send me your extremely basic operating system, or your text editor, or your web browser.

Programming leads to nowhere? Lol okay...

PernicioEnigma

Wow, that's a good argument... I never thought of it that way. I'm being sarcastic.

You know what programming leads to to everyone who doesn't really, truly know programming? Making things. Do you know how many people and billions of lines of code it takes to make things that anyone cares about? If you do, programming leads nowhere. If you think it's funny that programming leads nowhere, you must be good at programming, I'm assuming. Write me an extremely basic operating system, that has as its applications:

1. a text editor.

2. a web browser.

Thanks.