For those talking about the Wow subscriber numbers, the paid figure is much lower than the stated active accounts figure i think. I may have read somewhere that a large portion of the active accounts are chinese, and i think in china you dont need to pay for a subscription. I might be wrong though

When i bought mine it didnt have the very first one if that helps, but i think it depends on the manufactuing date. Even though he doesnt have an interet connection you can still get the firmware updates though the latest games. Though games themselves never include patches iirc.

Wow, i wonder who writes this stuff for them. There are different ways of seeing this though, when i first read the title i was thinking about not having to compromise for the other console or platform.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Why did you make a new account?

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stop talking about polygons, we know. Thats one thing that changed then.

They had little experiance with the cell, stereoscopic 3D, multiplayer,animations motion capture, did that cost money to learn?

Multiplayer, teh cell, 3D, bluray etc these are all new technologies. Can you even name a game that cost more than 5 million to make? even for a troll you arent even funny.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Judging by your name. I agree, fps nowdays suck in comparison with doom and dukenukem. Worst gen ever, games are sooo weak,especially pc is facing the worst gen ever.millerlight89

are you sure hes being serious? lol

on topic, why was everyone so bad at using the Cell? its because its new to developers :o, see even that fits your theory.

it's like like when u first start playing guitar...then u get better with experience over like 15 years

lol u wouldnt have to work as hard to cover someone's song.

developers have more experience now, so less hours should have to be spent making the games.

doom4dukenukem

have you noticedhow games are a little bigger now than back then, there multiplayer,larger worlds, GB's of data and everyone gets paid more now days. Why do you think it takes studios more time and more people to bring out a game.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

doom4dukenukem

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

even if your right, who is gonna do the scripting, art, voices, animations?

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

doom4dukenukem

wow you must be a developer or something.

it is if you want to get the full experiance out of your 360