I believe that is how many times they have gotten MVP award in the current match.

I recently got one from eDimensional, for around 60$. Its pretty good, and I love the forcefeed back feature. But as stated previously, they hurt your ears if worn for a long time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826504004

I really think its just Paradox and maybe star dock (galactic civilizations 2) and the developers of the star empires seriesthatare making the more indepth and complex games - bear in mind there may be some indie strategy games out there to prove me wrong.

Ill agree with you that the strategy games today are simpler affiars but the dumbing down and simplicity is not confied to strategy games, but also RPG's with Oblivion (and eventually Fallout 3) confirming this and alot of so called 'RPG's being little more than hack and slash games.

master_blue

Yeah, Star dock is awesome, I've spent plenty of hours with SE.

And yeah, I've played all the TW games except shogun, the GC is fun but I felt they stilled centered the game around the battles which are down right amazing and fun to play though.

As of now, my favorite RTS is SC, I also own both DoW and CoH which are fun in their own way but I really enjoy the amount of choices SC has even though it has that simplisic feel to it.

And I checked out that website www.wargamer.com and it looks like its what I'm look for, thanks.

So is there any strategy game developer that is making games that are not for the casual gamer? Because the latest strategy games are so simple that my 9 year old sister can learn and master.

I am getting more and more mad at strategy games targeted toward "Ca sual Gamers". I prefer games that are in depth and take hours to learn, and months to master, and I love spending days on one game. Mainly I love options, lots of options. Right now my favorite games have come from Paradox Interactive which all have awesome and would love to find more of that type.

Sadly I think the "Ca sual Gamer" is where the money lies for the game developers and not very many people prefer the games I enjoy. But I admit I still buy casual games and still play them sometimes, they have their place. But the in-depth ones are SO rare these days.

Well I think I'm just still mad and disappointed with Empire Earth and the Civ games. I know they started out fairly ca sual but it seems that they get simpler and shallower with each release.

Bought it,

Played through once on easy to just to get through the story fast while saving the girls. Now working on playing it again on the evil track.

By far Halo 3

But on the 360 other than halo3, I think Bioshock was pretty big.