[QUOTE="djtim_3000"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]

There is so much hate for Halo on these boards.

For some reason, many PC gamers have delusions of superior tastes over console gamers.

This is not true. Halo is just as good as Half life if not better.

Either you played it in the beginning with an open mind, or you played it with a bias towards disliking it.

This is not a good place to ask how good Halo is. Especially since Halo for the PC was bad.

Ninja_Dog

I've never played Halo on the PC before, only the console. And I wasn't hating on it, I just don't get what the whole big deal was with it when it seems to be decidedly average - i didnt say bad - just not f****** spectacular as so many millions of people claim that it is.

Being that I'm a PC gamer, this seemed like the perfect place to ask like-minded people what they think of Halo.

Well, I'm a PC gamer, too, and I told you what I think. :(

Sorry, I just wasn't bashing Halo or consoles games or proclaiming the end of Pc gaming or anything like that. It's just like most people have pointed out, Halo has occasions where it is better than average but nothing that is incredibly spectacular. It's like the ipod of gaming, millions of people going nuts over something thats been done better somewhere else but because of marketing people are blinded?

I agree that Heroes 5 is worth buying especially if you liked the demo.

Basically the full game is just like the demo but there's more of it. And it gets better.

There is so much hate for Halo on these boards.

For some reason, many PC gamers have delusions of superior tastes over console gamers.

This is not true. Halo is just as good as Half life if not better.

Either you played it in the beginning with an open mind, or you played it with a bias towards disliking it.

This is not a good place to ask how good Halo is. Especially since Halo for the PC was bad.

Ninja_Dog

I've never played Halo on the PC before, only the console. And I wasn't hating on it, I just don't get what the whole big deal was with it when it seems to be decidedly average - i didnt say bad - just not f****** spectacular as so many millions of people claim that it is.

Being that I'm a PC gamer, this seemed like the perfect place to ask like-minded people what they think of Halo.

I was just browsing through the online retailer where i buy games from and noticed they have for sale a 'Legendary Eidtion of Halo 3' which includes (among other things) a replica Halo 3 helmet (ftw?). People are going nuts over this game... I've played Halo and Halo 2 and as a PC gamer (maybe i'm missing something) i just don't get it.

Sure, Halo was fun, me and a mate finished the singleplayer co-op in a single sitting - good times. And multiplayer was also fun but - it never really amounted to much. The singleplayer levels were deritave and repitative, the weapons seemed really unimaginative, the background story was about as generic sci-fi as they come (I mean, Master Chief - come on...). Multplayer was the same thing over and over again. I started to play Halo 2 and watched another person play it for a while and it seemed to be exactly the same sort of thing as Halo - by then I started to get bored.

Thinking about console FPS's Goldeneye was head and shoulders above Halo. On the PC... don't even get me started. So back to my point, I just don't get it, what is so great about Halo that makes people go crazy about it?

One Must Fall 2097!!! (The original one).

How do these stats reflect the amount of PC gamers in 98 compared to the amount of PC gamers in 2007? Fewer households had computers in 98 to 2007. Thus there is more of a market in 2007 than there was in 98. Maybe we should look at ratios, instead of just stats.

Also, you must take in consideration that Gamespot does not review EVERY game that comes out on the PC.. many games are "indy" games that are not reviewed or even given a space on gamespot.

This is where the amount of PC games coming out can be staggering. Also the amount of PC games since the early 80s and before can reach into the hundreds of thousands. (given emulation like the Apple II, Commodor 64, DOS, MAC etc)

I highly doubt any one site can give a list of ALL PC games .. Gamespot does a good job, and has even years earlier, but its far from a conclusive list.

Alkpaz

It doesnt reflect the amount of actual gamers (the size of the market) or the amount of money spent on pc games. People use those stats alot without any real numbers (mainly just made up stuff) - you CANT get these numbers, no one has them. you have to pay heaps of $ just to get a reasonable estimate from a company like NPD.

It's true that gamespot does not review all games, in fact most games that you can play on the PC probably aren't even reviewed but thats not the point. Sort of like the 'Why its good to be a PC gamer in' threads, I just want to give the PC gamers some good news as they seem to be constantly faced with the onslaught of PC GAMING IS DYING!!OMG@#!!PONIES!@!!12!! type threads :)

[QUOTE="Colonel_Cool"][QUOTE="RazorGR"][QUOTE="Colonel_Cool"]

Halo 2 Xbox (nov 9 2004): 9.4

Half-Life 2 PC (nov 16 2004): 9.2

Enough said.

RazorGR

So you're saying Halo 2 is better than HL2? lol!

In that case, I completely agree.

I agree that some gamespot ratings are a bit off... i mean halo 2 better than hl2???!?! right... but thats why i gathered such a large number of reviews and averaged them. The aim was to minimise erreneous single statistics. But it doesnt matter anyway because it still shows PC gaming is going strong (with numbers to back my statement up).

[QUOTE="djtim_3000"]

It seems a favourite topic on the forums and in comments around Gamespot is the death of PC gaming. Sick of all the people with opinions and no data to back themselves up I decided to come up with some hard and fast numbers to give people some real ammo to use/flame/troll with or whatever (the subject name is a joke btw - to all those people that start the doom of PC gaming threads).

What I have done is collate every single PC review done on Gamespot since Jan 1998. I have collated all this information in Excel and categorised via year, quarter, number of games and averaged out the scores. Below is just a summary of what I have come up with.

All in all it appears there is slightly less PC games being released since 1998 and that the overall quality is somewhat lower. I think it pays to keep in mind though that development of games as a whole is taking longer and that at some stage in the last year or two years, Gamespot significantly hardened up it scoring process (less games getting higher scores).

So... what does everyone think? Is PC gaming really actually dying? Or is console gaming just growing faster, catering to the hungry masses...

(I can give anyone the spreadsheet with all the data if someone wants to do some real analysis - just PM me).

Year/Ave SCORE/# Of Games
19987.0262

19997.0286

20006.9223

20016.7238

20026.7241

20036.9231

20046.8221

20057.0252

20066.5208

20076.394 (First two quarters only)

PredatorRules

you're dying - cut with the BS already - it's getting really boring from this kind of topics - we own now and later: Crysis, TimeShift, Haze, Hellgate London, Starcraft 2, Bioshock, HL 2 the orange box, Gothic 3, C&C 3, STALKER, Eve Online, WoW, GW, D&D Online, WH 40k Online, CoH/V, LotR Online - and those are only few of best games we PC gamers own - i don't care if consoles own much more games - most of them are pretty suck

I was actually trying to point out that PC gaming is not dying and is doing really well but thanks for your rant (without reading what i had posted). Plus i've shown that pc gaming has more (and better!) games released than each console (if you discount the really crap pc games).

Xbox 360 stats from Nov 2005:

year/average score/number of titles

2005 7.5 30

2006 7.1 105

2007 6.8 72

Also the number of titles rated greater than 8 since Jan 2006:

PC: 52

PS2/3: 45

Xbox360: 44

It seems as though the PC is a stronger platform than both the Xbox360 and the Playstation2/3 - who would have thought?

Of course it looks a little different if you lump all the consoles into one platform but in my view the consoles are as mutually exlusive as the PC - u cant play games from one console on another.