[QUOTE="gaming25"]The Bible is not fictionalNibroc420
Can you prove this? Or is your "proof" based on faith alone?Your assertion is very silly. The burden is truely yours, given all the archeological and historic evidence to prove otherwise.
There are HUGE differences in the theologies. The better way to state it is Islam, which came 600+ years after christianity, references christianity and Jesus. But Islams teachings on Jesus and its idea of redemption differ greatly. Well I don't think Islam offers redemption, just a way to work towards it and hope, "Allah willing", its enough.
I don't think Islam needs redemption, as Christians know it, because I don't think (any knowledgable Muslim here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) it holds man as being sinful by his very birth. You're sinful via your acts, not via your existence.
Muslims, please comment. If what you say is true, then Christianity IS differnent then Islam. It sounds like your saying a Muslim has no need for redemption unless he/she misbehaves. Where as in Christianity, we believe we are born needing reconciliation with God.
People who do not know about God, do not go to hell because they have no choice about what they are taught.
Osama bin laden was never taught about god, so does that mean that he is going to heaven?
phoenix-serpent
Both Islam and Christian religions follow the same god. They just have a slightly different way of looking at him.
Agreed. 100% There are HUGE differences in the theologies. The better way to state it is Islam, which came 600+ years after christianity, references christianity and Jesus. But Islams teachings on Jesus and its idea of redemption differ greatly. Well I don't think Islam offers redemption, just a way to work towards it and hope, "Allah willing", its enough.
God doesn't send people to Hell. Our sinful nature is what leads us to Hell. Basically Hell is our default setting.
Imagine that you are floating on a log going down a river and there is a waterfall at the end that will lead to certain death. God is on the shore of the river and throws you a rope. The rope is a metaphor for Jesus. You have a choice. You can grab and accept the rope and be pulled to safety or you can continue to drift down the river over the waterfall. It's your choice. God isn't pushing you over the waterfall.
worlock77
The problem with your analogy is that God created the river, the waterfall, the log, and us, and set us in the river on the log. A better analogy would be a man who sets your house on fire and then offers you the water to put it out with.
I like the Hous ananlogy. Somebody started the fire(insert billy joel music here), our sinful nature did. Taking this perspective, a better analogy might be a forest fire.
And I have heard someone state: the gates of hell are locked from the inside.
[QUOTE="fillini"]any accountants out there?rawsavon
You rang? um.....see prior posts? :) no do you know the name for the fed/banking relationship "technique" or rule that allows Banks to lend money then use that loan as "collateral" to lend out more money?
[QUOTE="fillini"][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Ahh yes, and LTCM will be our poster child for that.
cybrcatter
Just read the story on LTCM. Made me think of "Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps". any I'm not talking about straight debt leverage. and undo risk taking. its more along the Fed and Banks relationship works. Its kind of an accounting trick, thats allowed. any accountants out there? That would be rawsavon's specialty.I will check in the text tonight. i'm one those finance geeks that kept his textbooks instead of selling them back.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]By that I mean the $90 is eventually deposited back into the same bank., thus allowing them loan out $81 from that. In reality, this doesn't occur so perfectly. The cycle could just as easily end if the loaned money is used to buy something, and the recipient of that money simply puts it under his bed, etc..
Actually our system now allows the loan to be placed on the banks books, creating a "phantom" asset, the bank can then in turn lend more. (thank you Capital Markets 411), i can find the technical term for it if you like. Ahh yes, and LTCM will be our poster child for that. Just read the story on LTCM. Made me think of "Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps". any I'm not talking about straight debt leverage. and undo risk taking. its more along the Fed and Banks relationship works. Its kind of an accounting trick, thats allowed. any accountants out there?
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Again, it's not fraud. Money creation is a fundamental part or banking. It means giving loans to folks so they can do something with it: buy a car, start a business, etc.. No one is deceiving anyone here.
The banks aren't creating money and giving it directly to the shareholders.
Edit Also, for anyone wondering, that $4000 doesn't happen in one step. It happens as the limit of re borrowing approaches infinity. If it's a reserve requirement of 10%, then out of $100 they can only give out $90. If that $90 is reinvested, only $81 can be lent out, and so on.
cybrcatter
Can you define what type of reinvest you are talking about here?By that I mean the $90 is eventually deposited back into the same bank., thus allowing them loan out $81 from that. In reality, this doesn't occur so perfectly. The cycle could just as easily end if the loaned money is used to buy something, and the recipient of that money simply puts it under his bed, etc.. Actually our system now allows the loan to be placed on the banks books, creating a "phantom" asset, the bank can then in turn lend more. (thank you Capital Markets 411), i can find the technical term for it if you like.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"] So how would you propose the average American purchase a home?
-would you have them save for all their lives while paying rent and then maybe be able to afford one upon retirement
Would you want people to be able to purchase every car upfront?
That's the Chinese way: you don't have the money, you don't buy it.
Having said that, I don't think theUS is willing and able to adapt tosuch a system/mentality at this point. We have enjoyed a debt-fueled economy for far too long to be able to put a stop to it in any meaningful way
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