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#1 gamedude00
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I don't really mind Bioware using the indoctrinated theory as a free DLC ending. However, saying Bioware PLANNED to have Shepard indoctrinated right from the start is pretty damn ridiculous.

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#2 gamedude00
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="jamejame"]How does that kill the indoc theory? Before, it would have ended with the Reapers winning in pretty much every situation except one. Now that there will be DLC, who knows, but I don't understand in the least how the lack of plans for post ending dlc voids that theory.

dreman999

Because they said that there were no plans for post ending DLC? That would mean that they had no intention of having the indoctrination theory in the game. They've basically confirmed that if they do use the indoctrination theory for DLC that they've taken a fan theory and made it real for milkage. Unless they originally were just going to leave a 3 game series without an ending. Which is considerably worse than what we did get if you take it at face value.

Did you even read the recent statement from bioware. Also, you looking at this if bioware didn't plan to use indoctrination in the plot. Maybe you should consider it was planned.

Bioware never intended to have Shepard indoctrinated, as proven in the Final Hours app.

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Shepard was unconscious for 2 days next to the Reaper artifact in Arrival, heck Shepard even spoke to one face to face in Rannoch. Shepard's been exposed to alot of Reaper tech, yet the Prothean VI mentions NOTHING about it?

Not even a "Shepard, I detect slight indoctrination within you."?

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#5 gamedude00
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[QUOTE="gamedude00"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] In the arrival dlc, you go to save someone working for the alliance who knows when the reapers are invading. You find out there planning to destroys the relay the reapers are going to use and they found out when the rapers are about to invade because of a reaper artifact. You get lured to it and hit with an indoctrination field. You get lock in the room with it while troop try to take you down, with the reapers speaking in your head and indoctrination fields effecting you until the wave over whelm you. So,yes...The process of indoctrination stated from the end of mass effect 2's arrival dlc and goes on in ME3. Shep is not close to full indoctrination and can fight it but at the end, with him down and out near harbinger.....The full dose gets poured on.dreman999

Then how come the Prothean VI in thessia didn't mention Shepard is indoctrinated, even partially indoctrinated? The VI pointed out that Kai Leng was indoctrinated.

Being in the process of indoctrination is different then being indoctrinated. Shep only at the starting effects..No where near a point were the reapers can control him. The fact that he wants to stop the reapers makes that clear.

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I don't buy it.

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#6 gamedude00
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[QUOTE="gamedude00"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] It's not grasping straws.It makes more sense then the ending.

dreman999

So Shepard was indoctrinated the entire time since the beginning of ME3? And those nightmares Shepard had, are those from indoctrination?

In the arrival dlc, you go to save someone working for the alliance who knows when the reapers are invading. You find out there planning to destroys the relay the reapers are going to use and they found out when the rapers are about to invade because of a reaper artifact. You get lured to it and hit with an indoctrination field. You get lock in the room with it while troop try to take you down, with the reapers speaking in your head and indoctrination fields effecting you until the wave over whelm you. So,yes...The process of indoctrination stated from the end of mass effect 2's arrival dlc and goes on in ME3. Shep is not close to full indoctrination and can fight it but at the end, with him down and out near harbinger.....The full dose gets poured on.

Then how come the Prothean VI in thessia didn't mention Shepard is indoctrinated, even partially indoctrinated? The VI pointed out that Kai Leng was indoctrinated.

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#7 gamedude00
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[QUOTE="gamedude00"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] It's not grasping straws.It makes more sense then the ending.

Vaasman

So Shepard was indoctrinated the entire time since the beginning of ME3? And those nightmares Shepard had, are those from indoctrination?

The theory, in a nutshell, is that shep is unconscious after the laser attack, and everything after is a battle in his own mind to overcome indoctrication. The kid never existed and is shep's mind processing the early stages of indoctrination. There's a few things people have used as "evidence," but it's mostly conjecture since there isn't much concrete evidence to suggest it. Things like destroy being the renegade option, or anderson v TIM being the battle of your wills, or the general fact that nothing in the end really makes any sense.

Destroy being a renegade option kinda makes sense since you're going to kill both EDI and the Geth in the process. The paragon choice being control, leaves EDI and the Geth unharmed.

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#8 gamedude00
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[QUOTE="gamedude00"]

People are really grasping at straws with this indoctrination theory. And it really sickens me people are actually willing to PAY for a DLC ending. More people should DEMAND it be free of charge.

dreman999

It's not grasping straws.It makes more sense then the ending.

So Shepard was indoctrinated the entire time since the beginning of ME3? And those nightmares Shepard had, are those from indoctrination?

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#9 gamedude00
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People are really grasping at straws with this indoctrination theory. And it really sickens me people are actually willing to PAY for a DLC ending. More people should DEMAND it be free of charge.

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#10 gamedude00
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So is it safe to say that making a Multiplayer portion for ME3 really did affect the SP portion of ME3?