HULABALOZA: "Explain how that contract involved no money or cut licensing fees from Sony. Tell me why Rockstar agreed to only release GTA on the PS2......for free.. Please.....explain how that contract worked. I'd love to hear your explanation." Because Sony published the game. That is how the contract worked. GTA stays exclusive for three years, Sony publishes it. Period. Read my post above. At that time Sony was outselling the xbox by an astronomical margin. If Sony was willing to pay for the exclusive, it would have been a ridiculously easy decision for Rockstar. And, if Sony was willing to pay for exclusives, why didn't they do it with GTA 4. I mean according to you, that would be the most logical thing right? Since sony is "losing" so badly. Why wouldn't they just buy the game back? Or better yet, why wasn't Microsoft able to secure GTA4 as an exclusive for itself? Because the PS3 is going to last and teh 360 is will be over soon
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"] Here is one of a million stories on the contract...... http://xbox.ign.com/articles/421/421504p1.html Still....if you DIDN'T know there was a contract just from what happpened it shows why you have such a bad misunderstanding of how this stuff works. Your arguments make no sense at all. You are such a little weiner. If you read the article it says that Sony had a contract that garaunteed a "timed" exclusive. Also, NO WHERE does it reference any sort of PAYMENT from Sony. The contract existed because of the fact that the game was published by Sony. Those were the terms. Sony publishes, Rockstar/Take-two stays exclusive for 3 years. Period. And the fact that the contract was amended serves as further evidence that Sony provided no financial motivation for GTA to stay exclusive. Because if Sony was willing to do that, they would have. And it would have been an easy decision for Rockstar because the Xbox sold like crap.
[QUOTE="ghaleon0721"]Hulabaloza....HOW OLD ARE YOU? And how much do you want to bet that MGS4 and FF13 will NOT be on the 360?anopolis
 OH OH you see the indirect insult !! like hula must be a youngster cause he said something you find stupid oh oh you are a clever one ... yea hes a dummy mgs4 will NEVER ever be on the 360 just like mgs2 NEVER went to xbox...oh crap what did i just say nm
No, I'm assuming that he must be a youngster because there is no way that a mature adult with any kind of education or experience in business would make claims like "Sony paid for exclusives" and cling so desperately to that assertion without evidence and in the face of glaring logic to the contrary.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"] Yes, it was really dumb for Microsoft to buy Bungie......Halo has done nothing for their console. It was really dumb for Sony to secure GTA exclusive......(oh wait....they never paid for that....according to you). Right. Do you realize that you make no sense at all? Microsoft bought Bungie out of desparation. Halo was the ONLY game keeping the Xbox afloat and the thought of it going multi meant absolute doom for MS's gaming division. I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but its not something they can do alot of. How is buying developers and paying for exclusives a good long term strategy? Sony never paid for a GTA exclusive. You show some EVIDENCE that they paid for it (and I"m not talking about cutting licensing fees, I'm talking about actually PAYING for an exclusivity contract). I will walk you through this.... Sony makes money by charging developers the licensing fees to make games on its console. IF sony started paying for exclusives, they would essentially be giving up that revenue. Which means they would have to make money other ways. Which means that every memory card, controller, and periphereal that you buy will be marked up more than it is now. It means that Sony will stop subsidizing the cost of the console. It also means that developers would have to give up the profit potential in the 360's market, which means that they will make the money back by charging more for the game. I don't know about you but I don't want to live in a world of $1000 consoles and $75 games if I don't have to. You still haven't answered my question, how old are you?
[QUOTE="longhorn7"]the only thing that bothers me all too much about this whole ordeal is the fact that capcom is seeming really disrespectful to all of their consumers- not just ps3 owners. they had nothing to gain from pretending dmc4 to be a ps3 exclusive. they should have come out and said it truthfully. im glad more people will get to play it, it is a good game. I just dont know how much i can respect their pr decisionsHulabaloza
Capcom probably didn't sign on with Microsoft for DMC till after Christmas. That's when you get an idea of what the console installed base would be in late 07 and beyond. They are not being dishonest.....they are just responding to the market. With those numbers, Microsoft probably came up and offered a cut rate to 'make sure' DMC shows up on the 360. Sony would have to compete.......but their cut rate licensing fees aren't going to make as much of a difference, since it has a less potential sales. The PS3 just isn't selling fast enough to offer more. Apply these same rules to MGS4 and FFXIII and you'll see why it's very likely these are at least multiplatform. It has already happend with GTA & DMC. If MGS or FF remain exclusive to the PS3, you can be that Sony has paid a ton of cash out of pocket to make it happen, cause these companies would be giving up the bank to not release the games on the 360. Dude, you have smoked yourself retarded MGS4 and FF13 are being developed FOR the PS3. The are using the superior power of the console. FF13's white engine is being developed SPECIFICALLY around the PS3. Square and Kojima are quality developers who CARE about their product, not like the whores at Capcom. That means that they will NEVER come out on 360. And not because Sony paid them, but because those games will be TOO MUCH for the 360. They simply won't play on the damn machine
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"] Doesn't it seem suspicious that the NDA applies when we talk about 360 ---> PS3 ports but not when we talk about PS3 --->360 ports? I would not be surprised if Microsoft had its hand in Capcom's wallet. Exactly.
But if that is the case, that is fine. There is no way that paying for exclusives is going to be an effective strategy in a highly competitive industry for the long term. It's a cowardly, desperate technique that can only mean that Microsoft realizes that its console cannot compete and there will be SERIOUS consumer backlash when 10 million people find out that their $400 system is obsolete after 3 years. Then capcom will come crawling back
What do you think happened last gen? Do you think they supported the PS2 out of LOVE for Sony, but Microsoft only through contracts. No, look at history and you'll see these exclusive deals work very well. It is what made the PS2 what it was. It's also what made the clearly more powerful XBOX a second rate console. Why does MIcrosoft have the advantage now? They have a bigger installed base......a luxury Sony had with the PS2. That is how the business works and things won't get any easier for Sony. Microsoft's head start was a huge advantage..... You tell me WHY Sony would pay for an exclusive when it already had an astronomical install base when the Xbox launched. Wouldn't it make more sense for Sony to say "Hey capcom, we're not paying you for this, you can release it on our system if you want, or you can take your chances on that console that is selling like crap" Sony has stated publically that they have NEVER paid for an exclusive and have maintained their strategy of offering developers the best hardware for their games. By doing so, they ensure that the absolute BEST gaming experience must, by default, be a PS3 exclusive. Period. No money needed. Anyone who believes that paying for exclusives is a good idea needs to lay off the bong. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25474663
[QUOTE="ShadowXaz"][QUOTE="ghaleon0721"]Sounds to me like if Kojima says this is it, then that means that this is probably it. He might leave a hanging thread or two in case he ever gets the urge to make another Metal Gear game but I would expect that the story will get pretty much wrapped up. And that is fine with me. I love Metal Gear and I hate to see it go....but the fact that Kojima is stopping the series when it is so overwhelmingly popular just tells me that the guy is full great game ideas that probably don't fit into Snake's storyline. It means he is cultivating another brainchild. I think I'm MORE excited about what Kojima will do next than I am about MGS4 he said mgs2 was the last one....and mgs3 Meaning that he is probably chomping at the bit to get his new project going and has been for some time.
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