Not everyone wants to play games with a motion controller, therefore it shouldn't become the only option available. Games should have support for both the standard controller and natal.

dahwnpapaya

I'm posting here my opinion. From what I've seen on Project Natal, I can't really jump to conclusions. Sounds like really cool. But I have one certain doubt: software support. Yes, it may be the most brilliant game "controller" ever, but without games to play with it, it WILL FAIL.

Doing a game for Natal obviously means more work than doing it for a normal controller (as you extend the ammounts of possible actions). If Natal is released as an "extra" goodie for the Xbox 360, some people may get it but it will never become popular enough to actually sustain software support.

Why bothering with all the trouble doing a Natal-supported video game when the vast majority still plays with the regular controller?

This is why I'd suggest to use Natal as THE controller for the next-gen Xbox. This way, the only way to do a game for this new Xbox is TO HAVE natal support, and software will be then available.

You may say: what if it happens the same that is happening to the Wii (not enough real 3rd party support)? The wii's main problem is not having different controls, but having PS2/GC/XBox graphics. Xbox 360 + PS3 + PC game sales are bigger than Wii games sales. So they usually prefer to do games for two consoles and PC than for the Wii. If the new Xbox has real next-gen support, with that and Natal they will be THE gaming console, period.

This is my opinion. What do you people think?

[QUOTE="gmgo"]

If you had asked this question a year back, right after 2007, I would say something like "HELL YEAHHH!!!!"... but after 2008, I defenetly will say "It was a total dissapointment". You see, I can only name 2 (thats TWO) games worthy on 2008: SMBB and Mario Kart, they had good online, yes, but most of the rest was simply not good except perhaps for Call of Duty World at War, which honestly it is still better on PC. And from the announced games... there aren't great things coming either, so I really fear for the Wii. Now that Nintendo has played almost every card they had (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash, Mkart, etc...) they stopped releasing real games... and that is when you realize how big the lack of real third party support is. Aside from some rare gems (hopefully "gems") like The Conduit, I think it is going to get ugly for the Wii if Nintendo doesn't do something soon.

The Wii has ONE main problem in my opinion, but that problem makes it look like severals:

Obviously there is a BIG LACK of third party support. After Nintendo stopped making good games, you can realize how bad the 3rd party support is: too much casual garbage. BUT WHY? The reason for all the wii's problem (and possible hard to solve) is Low graphics: Now, I know the typical noobish comment "if you want graphics, this isn't your console". It isn't that I want graphics, but the fact that by not supporting "next-gen" graphics, the wii gets left aside from many great multi-console games (like Fallout, or BioShock).

Here is how it works: Suppose you are 3rd party developer, and you are going to make a new game. You have two choices.

A - You make the game for the x360/ps3. It is almost the same game for both consoles, assuring the game to be sold on both of them (sales on Xbox 360 + PS3 > Wii). Then a couple of months later, a PC port to have some extra sales.

B - You make the game for the wii. Now, if you make a REAL epic game, you will only get the sales from Wii gamers (nobody is buying a low-end graphic game on the Xbox360/PS3). Unless you release the game for the PS2 (a dying console) or the PSP as well (like Heroes 2), but the game on the Wii will be VERY affected in graphics and controls as well. So doing a PS2/PSP/Wii game isn't exactly viable for the gamer, but it is the only way for the developer to get good sales (not really as good as option A though). So if you want to do a Wii-only game, you probably will get better sales by just doing a cheap causal garbage.

You see my point here?.

bob_newman

It seems like you need to do some proper research. Dozens of good Wii games came out in 2008 alone.

Even the critics can agree on that.

Just look at 2008. You've got Brawl, Mario Kart, World of Goo, Tetris Party, Boom Blox, Blast Works, No More Heroes, MaBoShi, Toki Tori, Wario Land Shake it, We Love Golf, Bomberman Blast, and de Blob (all console-exclusive), as well as great (and sometimes superior) multiplats such as Pinball of Fame, Rock Band 2/Gutar Hero: World Tour, Okami, Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, Shaun White Snowboarding, Madden 09, Tiger 09, Fifa 09, Megaman 9, Call of Duty:WaW, and Bully.

And 2009 is looking to be even better.

True, I forgot about No More Heroes (but that came very early 2008). But seriously, the rest of the games either:

a - They are cheap downloable games, which as fun as they can be they can't be compared to the epic stuff

Real good game list are limited to SMBB, Mario Kart, No More Heroes and Call of Duty WaW. And then you may add Bully and Okami (both ports from an older games). Nintendo hasn't announced something good so far, and what do we got left for 09? The Counduit and Dead Rising. Thats IT.

If you had asked this question a year back, right after 2007, I would say something like "HELL YEAHHH!!!!"... but after 2008, I defenetly will say "It was a total dissapointment". You see, I can only name 2 (thats TWO) games worthy on 2008: SMBB and Mario Kart, they had good online, yes, but most of the rest was simply not good except perhaps for Call of Duty World at War, which honestly it is still better on PC. And from the announced games... there aren't great things coming either, so I really fear for the Wii. Now that Nintendo has played almost every card they had (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash, Mkart, etc...) they stopped releasing real games... and that is when you realize how big the lack of real third party support is. Aside from some rare gems (hopefully "gems") like The Conduit, I think it is going to get ugly for the Wii if Nintendo doesn't do something soon.

The Wii has ONE main problem in my opinion, but that problem makes it look like severals:

Obviously there is a BIG LACK of third party support. After Nintendo stopped making good games, you can realize how bad the 3rd party support is: too much casual garbage. BUT WHY? The reason for all the wii's problem (and possible hard to solve) is Low graphics: Now, I know the typical noobish comment "if you want graphics, this isn't your console". It isn't that I want graphics, but the fact that by not supporting "next-gen" graphics, the wii gets left aside from many great multi-console games (like Fallout, or BioShock).

Here is how it works: Suppose you are 3rd party developer, and you are going to make a new game. You have two choices.

A - You make the game for the x360/ps3. It is almost the same game for both consoles, assuring the game to be sold on both of them (sales on Xbox 360 + PS3 > Wii). Then a couple of months later, a PC port to have some extra sales.

B - You make the game for the wii. Now, if you make a REAL epic game, you will only get the sales from Wii gamers (nobody is buying a low-end graphic game on the Xbox360/PS3). Unless you release the game for the PS2 (a dying console) or the PSP as well (like Heroes 2), but the game on the Wii will be VERY affected in graphics and controls as well. So doing a PS2/PSP/Wii game isn't exactly viable for the gamer, but it is the only way for the developer to get good sales (not really as good as option A though). So if you want to do a Wii-only game, you probably will get better sales by just doing a cheap causal garbage.

You see my point here?.

Thanks, although I've been reading and the Pal 50 and Pal 60 are the same signal with a slight variation (one being a Pal hybrid with NTSC). HD is a completly different signal, so it won't matter Pal or NTSC if I have it on 1080p.

Thank you anyway for helping clearing the doubts. PS3 coming home SOON!

[QUOTE="HaplessNick"]A 720p signal is the same in america as it is in the UK, China,India, where ever.CellAnimation

All games are region free but sometimes are regionalized for the area they are sold in. Its is not a problem though. Its just to appeal to the consumer or to not affend them. Like if you bought Fallout 3 from Australia you would find the drugs look very different or might not even exist to please the people that rated the game. pukmok

The thing is most of games that comes here to my country comes from the U.S., and I can most likely bring games from there too. If I have an european console, no problems with that? thats all i'm asking. My PSP is also european and it also has region free games.

1 - I Understand that PS3 games from the U.S. WILL work on an european PS3 (games are region free), can you confirm this? Does this apply to BD movies?

Playstaion 3 Games generally are region free so you should be OK. Blu ray movies are trickier as some are region free and some are R1, R2 for example, but it will say on the box

HaplessNick

Thanks, although I have one doubt left about this: when you say "playstation 3 Games generally are region free" does this mean not ALL of them are region free?