Mass Effect - Not really long enough, needs to be at least another 1000000000000000 hours.

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- Mind Numbingly easy combat on normal difficulty, hardest difficulty is even easier (Never tried locked difficulty was not replaying that game)

- Stale story/characters (the doc and garren were cool as hell. But, scuba mask people, blue aliens, and ashley the most fugly girl ever concieved this gen, and nearly everybody else more than make up for it.) (Wrex's race is alright too, i forgot him.)

- No plot developement whatsoever. Seriously, in ME2 especially. 2 events happen in the entire story, ridiculous.

- horrible RPG elements/customization

-No real story impacting/ethical choices can be made (save for purposely letting bad things happen to annoying characters.)

- Everyones favorite moment in ME1, The ashley and ken(I forget his name) sacrifice part. Could not care any less about either of them, sooooo bland.

- Tank levels on barren planets sucked/Getting resources on barren planets sucked. Enviroments are reused in both games consistantly although 2 is much better than one in that regard.

I'm sorry I just don't understand the unwarranted respect this game gets. Bioware makes pathetic, uninteresting stories. League of legends even has better lore, and that game sucks too. Maybe I'm just an angry Kotor fan tho. I understand that you ME fans love the game for the miranda sexing part, but please have some self-respect.

For reasons I can't explain I came to this site for the first time in like 2 years, and read the frist ten pages of this thread.

You have the Pro-sport arguments -

sport def: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

exertion def: physical or mental effort.

If nascar, chess, and golf can be sports why can't video games not?

"sports" are games....

and for the guys saying "physical" what does that fall into?

Strength?

Speed?

Coordination?

Reflexes?

Physical endurance?

the only thing that video games fall short on is strenght.

Deadbeatcobra

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] If I played SC2 20 hours a da, had work out, eating and mental awareness ruitines created for me like the Koreans...then I would probably be good at SC2 as well..any game can be highly practiced and competititve this doesn't mean they are sports and such.

Tezcatlipoca666

You do realise this is how atheletes train to right? They practice multiple hours a day....

except that they have talent. they have a knack for it. Tiger woods, Jordan, Sampras, etc. are not just "some kids" that practiced everyday and somehow became good at it.

can't say the same thing for Starcraft.

You're just being ignorant if you think that practice = success at SC2 or any other competitive video game.

What you are doing is basically applying a double standard.

Most of the flak giving to this is revolving around an erronous understanding of "sports" as well as general condescending ignorance.

Those guys usually have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Seriously just look at the posts in this thread.

You can play SC and smoke a cigar at the same time? Games don't require skill or coordination? Everyone can be good at games if they just practice?

There isn't a facepalm pic big enough to cover this. I would suggest these people to actually pick up a copy of SC:BW battlechest, and try to play it to win. They would realize that it's not as simple as clicking here and there once very 5 seconds with a beer in the left hand. Not only do you need exceptional hand-eye coordination, but you need the mental concentration to read your opponent, continuously control and produce units and making the right decisions in split-seconds.

Unless it's just a huge troll thing going on :?

RavenLoud

You have the Anti-sport arguments -

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]In my book, if you can do something at a competitive level while smoking at the same time, it's not a sport.millerlight89

So....

What competitive games CAN you do that for?

Yeah. Sorry. Not a sport.TheMoreYouOwn

videogames aren't a sport

Chris_Williams

because it ain'tTessellation

etc.

My opinion -

Really both sides can be argued for, which is why this thread is 31 freaking pages long. The problem is that the people arguing for Anti-sport most likely have atleast a 30 point IQ disadvantage against the Pro-sport guys. Very few Anti-sport guys presented a reasonable counter-argument. Comments like these though

This is ridiculous. Games should not be considered sports.

Sport = a physical activity that requires athleticism

Game = a mentally focused activity in which strategy and planning is most important

I think that these two categories are hugely different, and should be classified as such. Chess should not be considered a sport. A highly competitive game? Sure. A sport? No.

By the way, I am in no way saying that by a game not being called a sport, it somehow requires less 'skill'. Chess requires TONS of brainpower.

However, I do think that gaming isn't quite there yet.

Cheesehead9099

are totally valid and are good points as to why in their opinion games shouldn't be sports. Really, it's all based on your definition of sport and exertion. If you are using the definition of sport that is all physical exertion that's fine. If you don't think physical exertion meets the requirements of moving your fingers crazy f'in fast for starcraft that's fine too. But you guys had some pretty piss-poor arguments. Ones i didn't quote were like people who are good at videogames just train 20 hours a day, they aren't born with it. And Tiger woods was born with his abilities, no pro gamer was born with his, that makes it not a sport. I mean comon wtf are you guys thinking? That is such a ridiculous argument why would you even think that would hold water?

(btw i don't think videogames are sport ;) The term sport is used too loosely already. But if chess and competitive eating are sports why the hell not starcraft?)

peace

nope it deserve it's praise, ocarina of time is the most overrated game of all time

da_illest101

you never played it

Mass Effect is unispired as hell. The combat is crazy easy untill you bump it up to highest or second-highest difficulty. There's no closure whatsoever. The stat building is on par with dynasty warriors. Ashley is the ugliest bug-eyed ***** i've ever seen. The sniper guy, thane, and professor were cool. But everybody else was bland, Alien with scuba mask, blue person, another blue person. No character developement at all either. I'm sure there would have been character developement though if it wasn't half of a total game. I mean you get your team and do basically one thing the whole game, that you don't even see the result of I mean what the ****. And it's the best game comon now. I know you guys love your pixeled boobs but this game is mediocre.

I have a ton of gripes with the list but this game's praise just gets on my nerves.

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you must enjoy being bored

really why is their IYO in the title.

Of course it's in your friggen opinion.

Shouldnt need factual evidence for feelings.

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DCSullyvan

What exactly are you trying toa achieve? DarkLink obviously thinks these games are overrated, just because you disagree that doesn't make him wrong :/

I think everybody knows the general praise specific games get, which is what you wrote. He is stating that he believes those games aren't as good as that popular opinion. It's nice to have differing opinions sometimes. Like ME2 I hate that game so bland. And Left for dead is awesome but i just let it go...

Make a thread "What are your favorite games of all time/generation?" and you will ge the same answers as the ones posted.

15strong

^ true

Everybody who said OoT in this thread -10 respect

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Zelda, I have yet to hear music that matches WW in any FF game.

Lethalhazard

I must've heard that song 30+ hours playing FF13, and i have to say i ****ing hate that song.

FF has well orchestrated music, sure. But it sounds uninspired and boring honestly.

OoT and wind waker have some epic memorable tunes, song of storms and that ish. Zelda dominates.

EDIT: mainly OoT tho that game is awesome

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GS internet police oh no

Old enough that i don't care what people on the internet think of me anymore.