[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] It's sort of a bit of both, only the "swing states" get any attention, so you could argue that the electoral college is run on Florida and Indiana.

Theokhoth

Florida and Indiana can't win the election alone, hence why the candidates campaign through every state.

Interestingly enough, I didn't really hear of much campaigning going on in California. Or New York. Or Massachussetts. Or Vermont. Or Utah. Or Idaho. Or Hawaii. Or Connecticut. Or Alaska. Or Delaware. Or Illinois. Or Kentucky. Or Maryland. Or Kansas. I'm sure I could think of more if I tried. And, you must remember, this past election was fairly unusual. Four years ago, states like Indiana and North Carolina weren't even close.

You don't hear of it? Therefore it didn't happen? :|

its a well known fact that candidates focus the majority of there campaign resources and time in battleground states only going to a couple of there stronghold states ( i.e california texas newyork)to raise more money. i live in arizona and obama did not come once during the general election but stopped in new mexco at least a dozen times . he did this because he knew he couldnt win our state. why should democrats in arizona or republicans in california be less important .

[QUOTE="ironman1714"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

For the reasons I've already given. . . the popular vote ignores the vast minority of the country and can easily lead to elitism and extremism in elected office; if you have one hundred people in a room, and fifty-one of them want the temperature of that room to be 110 degrees while the other forty-nine want it to be seventy degrees, and if that room is going by popular vote, the temperature of that room will be 110 degrees regardless of what people want or need. The electoral college goes a tremendous way to prevent this from happening.

Theokhoth

the logic in that argument is flawed because the same thing could happen through the electoral college, however in that instance a minority could do the same thing . with the electoral college u could essentially get 40 people of those 100 making all the rules. a model like the electoral college is worse because it would take a smaller consensus of the population to take control.

The electoral college isn't run based on what the minority wants, unlike popular vote and the majority.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Pyro767"]Popular vote doesn't work because there are more democrats than republicans, and that leads to a democrat for a president EVERY TIME.Pyro767

Okay, I'm failing to see the problem here...

u seem to only be thinking about the election that just past where the popular vote was strongly democratic . but that was due to a very unpopular republican leaving office . that same republican won the popular vote in 2004 . the country is actually split very evenly. alsomany voters can be persuaded to vote for the other party or r already independents. the biggest problem with the electoral college is that it creates battle ground states. this makes candidatesput 90 percent of there efforts intoa few staes. if u told obama the night b4 the election that u could guarantee an extra 10,000 votes in ohio or an extra million in texas, he would have chosen the 10,000 in ohio. now tell me why the 10,000 people in ohio r more important than the 1 million in texas.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Erm, I said that in the popular vote, 49% of people (the people that voted for the other guy) would lose out. :|

The popular vote does not work.

Theokhoth

Why doesn't the popular vote work?

And, my point was in the context of the ability of the electoral college to overturn the popular vote.

For the reasons I've already given. . . the popular vote ignores the vast minority of the country and can easily lead to elitism and extremism in elected office; if you have one hundred people in a room, and fifty-one of them want the temperature of that room to be 110 degrees while the other forty-nine want it to be seventy degrees, and if that room is going by popular vote, the temperature of that room will be 110 degrees regardless of what people want or need. The electoral college goes a tremendous way to prevent this from happening.

the logic in that argument is flawed because the same thing could happen through the electoral college, however in that instance a minority could do the same thing . with the electoral college u could essentially get 40 people of those 100 making all the rules. a model like the electoral college is worse because it would take a smaller consensus of the population to take control.

its hard to say any sport is more difficult to do at an elite level than another. because the top pros in almost all sports put hours upon hours of training into their respective sports.

but i feel boxing andamerican football are the most physically taxing. with american football it depends on the position. RB's have some of the shortest average careers only lasting 4 to 5 years. due to what there bodies r put through.

i think the tc is seeing something that isnt there. but i hate thatblockbuster relies on the demo of the area to decide which movies to keep in stock. a friend of mine works in a Hispanic modulestore and i always make fun of her. it just sucks having to drive farther for a movie because they have 10 copies of some crappy moviebut not one of popular independent movie . i understand tailoring to the area but come on .

thanos with the infinity gauntlet

any1 who reads comics knows how insanely powerful the flash is .

the flash is arguably the second most powerful character in the JLA. this isnt even close

these are probaly my two fave comic book heroes. i think u would have to look at the situation. if ironman and batman were just thrown in a room ironman would kill batman just like superman could. but with prep time batman would win. i would say anything less than a day ironman would win anything more batman would win. i do admit that batman is a genuis when it comes to inventing things but the place where he has the advantage over stark is when it comes to being a tacticl genuis much in the same way captain america is.

on a side note i hate when converations like this come up and every1 writes about how reed richards could beat any1 with prep time, and the only reason for this is because marvel writers use him as a deux ex machina.