[QUOTE="jpzer12"]This thread wasn't an attack towards intelligence, it was an attack towards "intellectuall irreponsability". dhyce

So, buried under everything, the point you were trying to get across was; "As intellectual beings, it is our responsibility to strive for our greatest potential." And this concept does not include belief in a deity.

To which I say; "Being intellectual paramounts is not on everyones to do list. People are happy with their beliefs, and don't have time to spend toiling away over if their beliefs are correct or not. Being the most intellectual you can be is not important to everyone, many are busy just getting by. Making money, building relationships, raising children, and so on. Many do not have time in their schedules to go back to the drawing board with their beliefs. They find something they're comfortable believing and stick with it. Which is fine, just fine. I don't see how your idea of intellectual responsibility is meant to fit in everyones life. Seems as how not everyone is striving to be intellectual."

People that strive to get by usually accept that they don't have any say in the advancement of... let's say, quantum mechanics. But when it comes to topics such as how the world came to be,  religious ideas come in and slows down scientific advancement.

My call is that religious ideas should not be exempt of criticism. 

[QUOTE="jpzer12"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Many of the greatest scientific minds in humanity have believed in some form of god. You can call "theists" intellectually immature", but to dismiss their beliefs with nothing other than an empty argument is just as immature.sonicare

I haven't made any argument.

Read your initial post. That, in and of itself, is an argument.

no, it's an opinion. 

Many of the greatest scientific minds in humanity have believed in some form of god. You can call "theists" intellectually immature", but to dismiss their beliefs with nothing other than an empty argument is just as immature.sonicare

I haven't made any argument. 

[QUOTE="jpzer12"]

"Believing in god is intellectually irresponsible and should be shunned upon, let's discuss."

 

you like that opener more?

dhyce

Or perhaps "Do you find belief in a deity such as god to be intellecually irresponsible?"

Inside of thread; "Should it be shunned upon?"

To which I would say, "Belief in a deity harms no one and gives many unhappy people something to hope for. There is not necessarily a direct correlation between belief in a deity and intelligence either. While I myself am an Atheist and find the possibility of a god practically silly, I still respect beliefs that differ from my own. If I do not accept that others will have differing beliefs than mine, what does it say about me? Well, it would make me downright intolerant. I don't see why the beliefs of others should impact my life, if kept away from law, of course.

Actually, my spouse is a theist and far more intelligent than myself, that alone proves your proposition incorrect. In fact, any one Theist who is more intelligent than an Atheist basically does. To shun upon another for a simple set of beliefs that don't impact me is ridiculous."

Or something along those lines.

This thread wasn't an attack towards intelligence, it was an attack towards "intellectuall irreponsability". 

No person of reasonable intellect would make such an absolute accusation without an arguement. It's called Rhetoric, and you clearly missed school that day.Franken_Berry

this thread wasn't rhetoric in nature. 

[QUOTE="jpzer12"]

AN IMPRESSION!

 

HOW ORIGINAL!

dhyce

That is all people will give you from this. Pointing out people having an impression of you is like going up to a street and yelling "car!" whenever one passes. It makes no sense.

What is the purpose of pointing out how others have gathered an impression of you? You're certainly not setting up a good discussion. Are you honestly expecting some kind of stimulating conversation from this?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around anyone who calls this logical.

"Believing in god is intellectually irresponsible and should be shunned upon, let's discuss."

you like that opener more? 

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[QUOTE="marojado"]At the end of the day, regardless of whether you're an atheist or believe in God, they are your beliefs and opinions. As long as people dont try forcing their beliefs onto other people then it's all good, everyone's different.marojado

Again with your relativism, you should really read that up. It's a fairly damaging philosophy.

I disagree. Everyone has their own way of dealing with life and whatever it throws at us. As long as it doesn't affect the lives of others negatively then i believe people's views on religion are fully acceptable, be it Muslim, Catholic... It's when people start using religion as a scapegoat for conflict that i dont agree with people's actions.

I will not stand for cowardice!

 Either you strive for what is true or you are COWARD through and through.

You need to differentiate what is comforting and what is True. 

At the end of the day, regardless of whether you're an atheist or believe in God, they are your beliefs and opinions. As long as people dont try forcing their beliefs onto other people then it's all good, everyone's different.marojado

Again with your relativism, you should really read that up. It's a fairly damaging philosophy.

[QUOTE="jpzer12"]

How many times must I tell you that I did not make this thread to convince anyone.

 

I only wanted to denounce intellectual immaturity through exposition of weak thought processes.

 

Even if you you did read the books after my post, you would still be intellectually immature...

Yagr_Zero

again with your impressions!

you guys really love impressions do you?

btw nice avatar. FLCL ftw