@zhillison: It varies by game, but even with a 1080p tv some games look much better.

@nl_skipper: all recent games have improvements, some major. Going forward everything aaa has announced support.

I don't expect much for older games, but that's OK. They have the holiday season and beyond covered so far, plus some older games... what more can you expect?

Wow, this review seems so far off. Check out the eurogamer review for something a little more informed. Didn't even mention that infamous and tomb raider can be ran at 60fps. Truth is the pro is way better but it doesn't make the ps4 look like a piece of crap either. I think the question should be how often do you game? If you game nearly every day then go get one regardless of what tv you have.

I think spending around $1000 is the sweet spot, I don't see much point in going for an i7 for gaming and Im waiting for 4k to be the norm before upgrading for it.

@93ChevyNut: reaching 4k has much more to do with the gpu than the cpu.

@sellingthings: that amd 955 will have some seriously bad minimum frame-rates in some games, but I guess it just depends on what you play. Personally I think even a lower end i5 like a 4460 is more than enough for gaming but I wouldnt recommend any amd chips.

@tonyleo01: with 2 1080s? wtf. What games are you playing?

I mean just look at the numbers you should be getting at 1080p...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_gaming_z_8g_review,14.html

@chef423: you cant, not even close. Although the ps4 pro is pretty good value for money up front.

@ferna1234: the other 35 hours

@swisdwag: what the hell? la noire looks like thumb wars. We dont want that.