For a while I had gotten out of playing Sonic games but while having my Gamecube, Sonic Heroes was the first to interest me and I had heard decent reviews for it though.

Heroes felt more like an old school Sonic game with straightforward running, two act levels with special stages and boss battles made it feel like an old school Sonic game in 3D. Like the old games, there wasn't much of a plot and sometimes I like when games aren't making me watch cutscenes every five minutes. Even the level design was more reminscent of the old Genesis games with the checkered cliffs and all. My biggest complaint was playing through the same game four times as different characters where they should've simply made a longer game where you played as the Sonic, Tails, Knuckles trio.

I eventually played the two Adventure games during one of the summer gaming droughts. I see the potential in the first Adventure game but once again, too many characters. Sonic and Tails's stories were fun, Knuckles and Gamma's were ok, but Amy's had horrible camera angles and she walked around so slowly trying to get away from a robot that couldn't be destroyed and Big's fishing levels were just downright dull. Sonic Adventure 2 cut back on the characters and I think had a better story and moved along at a better pace. Plus it had a lot to do outside of the regular game. The Chao garden had more options, there was the racing game and additional missions for each level. The Sonic/Shadow levels were the best but the Knuckles/Rouge and Eggman/Tails levels just got on my nerves. I'd get through a great high speed platforming stage then have to slog around in a clunky mech or hunt through a stage for emeralds or keys. I play Sonic games because I want to go fast.

My biggest complaint with Shadow's game was the hero/dark missions. You didn't need the guns to fight and the chaos powers were great but the hero/dark missions were so tedious I found myself circling the stage a dozen times trying to find the last soldier, alien or whatever to move on.

I liked Riders for the fact that it wasn't just a Mario Kart knockoff but the learning curve was steep and I thought the story was rather blah.

Sonic Rush and the Sonic Advance series were great old school 2D games.

Finally Secret Rings was the first Sonic game I had payed full price for in a while and while some part the controls were tough or the mission was riduculously hard, I still liked it. I was running fast, no being forced to play as some sidekick I wasn't interested in and even the party mode made for a nice distraction.

kbaily

In a sense you are right it was more old school as it did follow a certain amount of the old traditions, but because in this time we have got bored of that and reviews have become stricter it can decide whether or not the game is good or bad.

Because we have now got bigger and better more advanced hardware they expect new things and not the traditional methods, sure i enjoy the old school sonic as much as any sonic fan, but i still feel the same as others, heroes was a let down, sure i've completed it, but i found it rather boring, the story admitally, there wasn't exactly a deep story so it probably was good for some people because of that, and although it had good intentions i found the game boring. I played it with sonic's team first it was good, then i played through it all over again 3 more times with each other team, on the same maps, same bosses, it was identical other than the cutscenes, this bored me so much and ruined the game for me.

I'll agree with you on the fact that i thought sonic adventure 2 had a better story, but in no way was it a better game than adventure, for starters you played as a cast of identical characters basically, sonic & shadow, similar levels, same sorta style, sure i enjoyed it who doesn't enjoy fast maps full of speed and enjoyment, and of course shadow was made to be the same, playing as dr.eggman was pretty cool aswell i was like cool we get to play as eggman in one of his toys for once thats pretty cool, but then thats where they f**k'd up in my opinion.

They put tails in the x tornado? what the hell for? it ruined tails for me i enjoyed playing as tails more in adventure because he could be more free and it was more fun.

Now, sure knuckles is fun, so i was happy to see him in it, but whats worse is his missions from the first adventure game got worse, the original adventure he didn't have to glide round the whole time searching, it was a bit more of an involvement for him. To make it worse you do it for the whole game, and to make it ever worser, they put another character in which is identical in terms of gameplay to knuckles. Sure it was a good game, but the original was better anyday, even if he did have add-ons the original game didn't.

Sonic adventure, i enjoyed alot, sonic missions rocked, tails missions weren't as fun but were still pretty cool. And it was awesome playing as amy for the first time, she had a good gameplay, admitally her story was a little well i think under-thought, since a robot chasing her for a bird is kinda stupid but gameplay wise it was a good start for amy, and i enjoyed it alot, even if she wasn't exactly speedy. Big the cat, sure it was interesting at first, but boring as hell later on, since you get bored with him quickly, however for casual gamers it would'a been a good character. And as for E-102 Gamma, i loved him i thought it was awesome the way they made him be involved in the story and how you played as him, as he was the style they used eggman and tails for Sonic adventure 2. E-102 Gamma, was the second best character in my opinion, he had great gameplay and is underated terribly alot, just because most fans are like, "it's not sonic, so it sucks!".

Shadow the hedgehog was an okay game and could'a been something good, if they didn't involve guns and vechicals most likely.

Sonic riders, great game with great intentions, was under-rated alot considering it's playability and gameplay was awesome.

Sonic and the secret rings, i've played it, i enjoyed it but haven't played it since because i get bored of it quickly, and the controls are a bit hard to get use to, i prefer sonic on the controllers and such, but it still don't mean i don't think it's a good game.

[QUOTE="kbaily"]

For a while I had gotten out of playing Sonic games but while having my Gamecube, Sonic Heroes was the first to interest me and I had heard decent reviews for it though.

Heroes felt more like an old school Sonic game with straightforward running, two act levels with special stages and boss battles made it feel like an old school Sonic game in 3D. Like the old games, there wasn't much of a plot and sometimes I like when games aren't making me watch cutscenes every five minutes. Even the level design was more reminscent of the old Genesis games with the checkered cliffs and all. My biggest complaint was playing through the same game four times as different characters where they should've simply made a longer game where you played as the Sonic, Tails, Knuckles trio.

I eventually played the two Adventure games during one of the summer gaming droughts. I see the potential in the first Adventure game but once again, too many characters. Sonic and Tails's stories were fun, Knuckles and Gamma's were ok, but Amy's had horrible camera angles and she walked around so slowly trying to get away from a robot that couldn't be destroyed and Big's fishing levels were just downright dull. Sonic Adventure 2 cut back on the characters and I think had a better story and moved along at a better pace. Plus it had a lot to do outside of the regular game. The Chao garden had more options, there was the racing game and additional missions for each level. The Sonic/Shadow levels were the best but the Knuckles/Rouge and Eggman/Tails levels just got on my nerves. I'd get through a great high speed platforming stage then have to slog around in a clunky mech or hunt through a stage for emeralds or keys. I play Sonic games because I want to go fast.

My biggest complaint with Shadow's game was the hero/dark missions. You didn't need the guns to fight and the chaos powers were great but the hero/dark missions were so tedious I found myself circling the stage a dozen times trying to find the last soldier, alien or whatever to move on.

I liked Riders for the fact that it wasn't just a Mario Kart knockoff but the learning curve was steep and I thought the story was rather blah.

Sonic Rush and the Sonic Advance series were great old school 2D games.

Finally Secret Rings was the first Sonic game I had payed full price for in a while and while some part the controls were tough or the mission was riduculously hard, I still liked it. I was running fast, no being forced to play as some sidekick I wasn't interested in and even the party mode made for a nice distraction.

chocolate1325

Right first off, stop comparing sonic games to zelda and mario! Sure you can say if it's a better game or not, but what is the point in comparing a game, complaining it isn't good enough it wasn't mario like enough when it's another character and based on it's own series, i get tired day in day out hearing people compare various other games to famous names, it's stupid you are basically saying to people, "this game sucks because it's stolen idea's from that game, or it sucks because it's not similar to mario" that is bulls**t, stop comparing and enjoy the game for what it is already! sonic is sonic, mario is mario you can compare how good the games are, but never compare them in terms of saying it's not good enough because it's not similar to mario or whatever.

Team play is not pathetic, it is a good idea which sega have used before, it's in a sense is saying that a fighting game sucks because you are doing a tag battle, yet it's more fun, maybe they may of gone about this in the wrong way but it was a good idea from the retro days. And i don't hate heroe's but i don't enjoy it.

I liked Sonic Heroes and Adventure, but SA2 is the best. Big's fishing and Amy's invincible pursuer ruined it. Sonic's and Tails stages were good, Knux and Gamma's were ok.

SA2 had more Sonic-type levels. The shooting was again ok. My main complaint is the hunting missions were too large and hard to do, especially the space ones.
Take SA2's sonic-type gamplay, remake the genesis-era levels, add Tails and Knux how the were in 2D, rebuild the old stroyline (Eggman captures animals, Sonic saves them), and remake the old bosses and add new ones. Without glitches, it would be better than even S3&K.

demoman_chaos

SA2 isn't the best,it limited the gameplay alot, going through as 2 identical characters in terms of gameplay, which can become rather boring. Heroes was okay, but wasn't as good as others. Sonic adventure was the best purely it was stylistic and awesome, it had free roaming ability so you could enjoy the enviroment alot more. Big did ruin it, amy was a great addition if you didn't like her because she wasn't speedy then your a bit silly, i repest your opinion, but to be honest amy was a great addition, your forgetting it was her debut as a playable character, (discluding sonic the fighters) and it was a good choice, she providing new gameplay, and it was done well, the story for her was a little silly, but it's better than her randomly chasing after sonic now.

Sonic stages were awesome, and tails were quite good too, knuckle's were a little repetitive but better than the stages in SA2, and gamma, i thought he was the best character overall, his gameplay was unique, and fun, he provided alot.

These are just my opinions, so sorry if i've offended anyone =)

That's what I thought you meant. LOL

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-SpikyBlueHero-

Shhh, you make it sound worse than it did, lets look back and pray that the camera angles don't **** with me in sonic 06 XD

Welcome, Hyper Hedgehog. I can relate. XD

And to you as well, Legendary Noob. Being a fan of Sonic since birth is quite a... feat. LOL

-SpikyBlueHero-

Indeed, i mean it may of been during birth XD, basically i mean i have enjoyed sonic since whenever i was old enough to play the first game,since i did start from original sonic.

Actually, i donno how many of you may of played this game, but to me it seems like sonic heroes was another attempt at a knuckles chaotix style game, similar to the style of sonic crackers (the demo/rom which susposedly was sonic 4).

And i think it's the sega of america's fault for shadow, they let an american company make the shadow game, now that was a massive mistake, i mean i wanted a knuckles game, not a shadow one =[, i voted knuckles day in day out, stupid fangirls, thats who i blame XD

[QUOTE="legendary_noob"][QUOTE="Hyper_Hedgehog"]

All I want is a Sonic 2 3D remake, with a non-crappy camera. Is that so much to ask?

Also, some of the blame has to go to the consumers. We keep paying for these games, and they keep rolling out the same bulls***. A lot of changes they make to gameplay are due to how many games are sold. We keep believing that it has 'innovative gameplay', or that 'Sonic is going back to his roots', when really it's the same thing as last time! Before you buy the games, look around the internet for reviews. If they're rubbish, don't buy. Simple.

Hyper_Hedgehog

Actually in fact internet reviews are very baised against sonic, many disaprove of him just because of the recent lack of decent games, i mean i noticed how most new sonic games are instantly downrated just because sonic happens to appear in it, so internet reviews are pretty baised, if you want a real opinion of a game you need to find a sonic fan that lived through the old'en days.

That is alot of writting I want a Sonic game like the first 2 on the Dreamcast they were awesome games and weren't rushed had a decent story and even though the camera wasn't perfect it was good enough. It shows SEGA can make a decent 3D Sonic game so why do they struggle lately and with Wii mote and Nunchuck it could make it a good experience. If there was a Sonic Adventure 3 then it would probably end up being on the Wii.chocolate1325

Actually sonic adventure 3 was originally considered to be sonic next gen, but due to the huge let down people decided to not call it that since compared to the other games it was **** and totally ruined. Although if a sonic adventure 3 was ever developed then it is more than likely to be the xbox or playstation consoles as i expect they won't have to worry about using the wii-mote and such.

Now sonic games are good, and if your a heartcore fan like myself you will have a bit more understanding towards sega, admitally, they shouldn't of fallen to the pressure, but keep in mind they have never had to meet deadlines before since they use to work for games on there own consoles it wasn't as much as a priority to make sure the games came out on time, when they have other companies pushing there asses to get the game out for a specific date it causes problems for the company and the publisher itself.

So sega isn't at fault for this game, i believe it is microsoft's and sony's fault for pushing them for this game so much, if they waited they could of got a nice little earner themselves.

Dude, I've been playing Sonic since I was like 3. I think I'm pretty hardcore. Besides, they weren't under pressure for the majority of the 3D games. They're just messing things up.

Erm of course they were under pressure, they don't work for themselves now, they work for other companies, if microsoft aren't happy they don't have to publish there games, just like sony. They were pressured to release for the christmas period, just like sony pressured them for the launch of the ps3, because they wanted a big name for the release, i mean sony doesn't really have a mascot of there own, or many big games now.

Plus sega were developing for 2 different consoles at the same time, which will slow things down aswell. Sega have never had pressure from other companies before, i mean nintendo don't pressure sega for one main reason, they helped nintendo survive like hell whilst the gamecube was alive, some can even say the cube may of died without sega. I mean many fans were disappointed sonic wasn't ready for the launch even though it looked so good, but did they rush, no. Nintendo applied no pressure so they took there time, as for sonic 06, they got pressured into it by these big companies, no wonder it was messed up, i mean you can see this was rushed as the manual says things about the game which ironically don't appear in the game at all anymore!

I do totally agree with Sonic's Next Gen game being a total disaster. It is painfully obvious the game was rushed and needed anywhere from six months to a year to get all the problems worked out. Sonic 06 should've been the successor to Sonic Adventure 2 but no one wants to call it Sonic Adventure 3.

Warning SPOILERS AHEAD

Storywise. Uh...is anyone here disturbed that the game had a human girl having a romantic relationship with a blue cartoon hedgehog? If you're not, then you're probably a furry and don't give me this "Sonic's anthropomorphic" crap. CG cutscenes were pretty but it's hard to enjoy them when you're sitting through sappy dialouge. If I hear Sonic say "Elise smile." one more time I'll........ And Elise kisses Sonic ON THE LIPS! Excuse me while I throw up. Beastiality is wrong. Let's all get that straight. I like what Xplay said "the barely legal furry undertones tend to stand out." and "seeing how long it takes an underage girl to pick matted blue hair out of her teeth and dramatic pause."

I was also confused of character origins. Blaze is from another dimension in the Sonic Rush games and yet she's from the future in Sonic 06. Perhaps there was no connection to bemade in the games and they just threw Blaze in to do it and if she died in Sonic 06, then how did she return for Sonic Rush Adventure? Silver I figured is the great great great grandson of Sonic. Sonic and Amy get married and have kids and supposedly Silver comes from like 200 years in the future so he could be Sonic's descendant but then the question of Silver would know if his ancestor was a great hero and killing Sonic would erase him from existence. I try not to think about this as it might give me an anurism.

kbaily

Well although i've yet to fully complete the game (since the loading screens become a little repetitive) i have to say, to be have honest (spoilers ahead partialyl)

That the kiss didn't bother me, i mean sure it's a bit wrong, but so what i mean it's like saying love is wrong. Besides sonic would never tie himself down, it's just not him, he likes to be free. And as for silver, well it could of been sonic's kid, or whatever, but he has the fur of shadow? it kinda makes it a choice between sonic and shadow, but also, it could mean sonic went with blaze, which as you said dies in this? But what the hell, shes in the game? why? lol, i still don't get it, i think they threw her in because they didn't know who else could work with silver, but in my opinion it wouldn't suprise me if sonic team end up saying something like blaze doesn't die, but get sents to an alternative reality in this, but then how does she susposedly know sonic already? so they've messed it up there really, but i don't mind much.

I agree with you there SEGA were pressured to get the game out near the PS3 launch and in the way that happened it was brought when it looked nowhere near ready for launch the storyline was awful. I think that it had alot of potential and ended up being one of the biggest dissapointments in gaming. Awful camera angle,bad storyline,not th good graphics and the characters didn't lok right at all. I was on about Sonic next big release being on the Wii because Sonic games seem to fair better on that console.

All I want is a Sonic 2 3D remake, with a non-crappy camera. Is that so much to ask?

Also, some of the blame has to go to the consumers. We keep paying for these games, and they keep rolling out the same bulls***. A lot of changes they make to gameplay are due to how many games are sold. We keep believing that it has 'innovative gameplay', or that 'Sonic is going back to his roots', when really it's the same thing as last time! Before you buy the games, look around the internet for reviews. If they're rubbish, don't buy. Simple.

Hyper_Hedgehog

Actually in fact internet reviews are very baised against sonic, many disaprove of him just because of the recent lack of decent games, i mean i noticed how most new sonic games are instantly downrated just because sonic happens to appear in it, so internet reviews are pretty baised, if you want a real opinion of a game you need to find a sonic fan that lived through the old'en days.

That is alot of writting I want a Sonic game like the first 2 on the Dreamcast they were awesome games and weren't rushed had a decent story and even though the camera wasn't perfect it was good enough. It shows SEGA can make a decent 3D Sonic game so why do they struggle lately and with Wii mote and Nunchuck it could make it a good experience. If there was a Sonic Adventure 3 then it would probably end up being on the Wii.chocolate1325

Actually sonic adventure 3 was originally considered to be sonic next gen, but due to the huge let down people decided to not call it that since compared to the other games it was **** and totally ruined. Although if a sonic adventure 3 was ever developed then it is more than likely to be the xbox or playstation consoles as i expect they won't have to worry about using the wii-mote and such.

Now sonic games are good, and if your a heartcore fan like myself you will have a bit more understanding towards sega, admitally, they shouldn't of fallen to the pressure, but keep in mind they have never had to meet deadlines before since they use to work for games on there own consoles it wasn't as much as a priority to make sure the games came out on time, when they have other companies pushing there asses to get the game out for a specific date it causes problems for the company and the publisher itself.

So sega isn't at fault for this game, i believe it is microsoft's and sony's fault for pushing them for this game so much, if they waited they could of got a nice little earner themselves.