LOL you think that is in game lol....How does the kool aid taste. Im buying a ps4 but come on bro lol that vid looked as good as avatar and it took waaayyyyyy more hardware than a ps4 to make that movie.

LOL cute post. It will compete with mid range pc forget crossfire or highend gpu's.

PEECEE is dead GDDR5 for life.

Also right now the 7850 and 660 sit on my best cards for the money right now. I dont think any card can rival them in that price range unless you wanna squeeze little more money and get a 7870. By the way the 5770 was an awsome card for its time.

[QUOTE="nihonking"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

That's completely untrue. 

So you wouldn't like to be 15% taller? for me that would make me over 2m tall, and would gain almost one foot in height. The analogy to GPUs works well. 

A discerning consumer will look at the percentages as one is able to make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones. 

It would be foolish for a person to upgrade from a 7850 to a 7870, this is true. 

However, if you were upgrading from something lower, like a 4850, it's important to assess the price/performance of potential replacements. If the performance increase were ~20% for the 7870, and the price were ~20% more, then basically it's a question of if you want to spend the extra money to go that percent faster, or not to spend. If you went for either card, neither is a waste of money. You get identical value from card to card.

However a more enthusiast level card might be 60% faster but as you suggest over 100% more money. 

Talking in absolutes like the number of frames increased can be helpful, but looking at the relative performance changes as percentages - I think that's the way to go. 

psymon100

Well hit on that no I would not want to be 15 percent taller lol Im happy with my current height. Much like if you have a GPU that was highend with in the last 3 years you have no issues with running games. Example my 5870's run everything at great fps in crossfire or single card set up......All your doing is helping create the sterotype that PC games NEED to upgrade every year to stay on the cuttung edge. To be compltely real with you i dont see much need to upgrade from the 5000 series to the 7000 series unless you went low end. But guess AMD will tell you that you need to and show you a bunch of graphs with percents to prove that weak ass point..... BUT so I dont seem like im dismissing what your saying yes there are cases where looking at percents help like the gen jump you mentioned in your above post.

How am I helping to create the stereotype? If anything all I'm doing is describing a method to "make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones". 

Let's play the game together now. Your 5870 is no slouch. 

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We can see that an upgrade from 5870 to the 7850 would not even boost performance by ~10%. From experience, I know that to go to the 7870 would only push that by another 20%. In your case it's not really worth it, these cards are at the top of their game in terms of performance per dollar - I feel we come to the same conclusion. 

Normally, when I'm helping friends or people online, I don't suggest a GPU upgrade unless they're going to get at least a 50% performance increase (I myself prefer closer to 100%, doubling or almost doubling frame rate) at a price point which the prospective purchaser finds attractive. If you like we could do this a bit longer, just for a bit of fun. You could set me a budget for you, and I'll see what could replace the 5870 and whether or not I'd consider it economically sensible, then you could critique me? A thought experiment. 

My last card was a 5770, as mentioned I'm now on the 7850. I'll admit - I didn't have to upgrade from the 5770. The 7850 was hardly expensive and every day now I get to enjoy graphics which I think are pretty excellent. Graphics aren't everything but it is an icing on the cake which I now enjoy all the time. One example of an improvement:

Unigine Heaven - 31.6 --> 54.5 fps, so about ~72% faster, I don't think that's anything to sneeze about. 

Your thoughts and comments?

AGREED / Debate

I just dont need the less tech inclined to think we NEED these upgrades we choose to get them because it just as fun to have a bad ass gpu as it is to game on it. But i see your point and agree.

Also Ill be making the leap into the 8000 series of gpu's when they come out. They seem like they will be a worthwhile upgrade.

Also I look at the graphs for benchmarks I dont just look at ave's and percents they never tell the full story and always mislead a noob who is in over his head trying to build.

[QUOTE="nihonking"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] % are made to make number seem bigger than they really are. 3FPS = 15%.? That is nothing...psymon100

This is very true companys use percents to make pc players feel they need to buy new gpu's all the time.

That's completely untrue. 

So you wouldn't like to be 15% taller? for me that would make me over 2m tall, and would gain almost one foot in height. The analogy to GPUs works well. 

A discerning consumer will look at the percentages as one is able to make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones. 

It would be foolish for a person to upgrade from a 7850 to a 7870, this is true. 

However, if you were upgrading from something lower, like a 4850, it's important to assess the price/performance of potential replacements. If the performance increase were ~20% for the 7870, and the price were ~20% more, then basically it's a question of if you want to spend the extra money to go that percent faster, or not to spend. If you went for either card, neither is a waste of money. You get identical value from card to card.

However a more enthusiast level card might be 60% faster but as you suggest over 100% more money. 

Talking in absolutes like the number of frames increased can be helpful, but looking at the relative performance changes as percentages - I think that's the way to go. 

Well hit on that no I would not want to be 15 percent taller lol Im happy with my current height. Much like if you have a GPU that was highend with in the last 3 years you have no issues with running games. Example my 5870's run everything at great fps in crossfire or single card set up......All your doing is helping create the sterotype that PC games NEED to upgrade every year to stay on the cuttung edge. To be compltely real with you i dont see much need to upgrade from the 5000 series to the 7000 series unless you went low end. But guess AMD will tell you that you need to and show you a bunch of graphs with percents to prove that weak ass point..... BUT so I dont seem like im dismissing what your saying yes there are cases where looking at percents help like the gen jump you mentioned in your above post.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Please dude i already posted benchmarks 3 miserable frames more on the 7870 than on the 7850tormentos

And as a percentage this works out to ... normally around 20-30% faster for the 7870 compared to the 7850. 

This is very true companys use percents to make pc players feel they need to buy new gpu's all the time.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

your self projection is too obvious

wis3boi

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 .  You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

Don't you have school to go to?

For real tho bro we are supposed to be the gamers that are tech savvy why are some of us pc guys letting trolls get to us. I love console for what it was (NES,PS2) but i love PC for the tech and it has really opened my mind as far as understanding the weak points of consoles and the strong points....Half the GDDR5 post are by PC guys and they truly seem insecure. If your a real PC guy you should know GDDR5 is not gonna kill PC gameing (WE HAVE IT). These new consoles will start to bridge the gap between PC and consoles, graphically and use wise i like this.

TThis is a pretty good troll no lie...