[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]The chance os this happening are deffinately over 1 in 10,000,000.Vandalvideo

Chances are you're not going to be that guy, but probability also says there should be four other guys who had this problem at 30 percent failure rates.

well I got the 360 version because of achievments. But I almost got the PS3 version.akuma303x

ps3 has accomplishments.

We're talking a developers whose track record is something like 5.4, 6.9, and 8.3. Does that scream "I'm a good developer!!" to you?

We're talking one game that's on par or crappier than Red Steel, another game that's crappier than both Turok Evolution AND Geist, and an AA that isn't even in the same genre as the one that Killzone 2's bound to flop in.

Why hype it? I mean, Guerilla has yet to prove themselves as being a competent developer, much less a good one, and VERY much less a great one. You think throwing more money and more people at a problem fixes it? Not likely; you can't cure incompetent.

I believe Killzone's going to be one pretty game, but beating out Halo, or even Call of Duty or Resistance? Even Black? Doubtful.

Save yourselves the embarassment, cows. Just take your own advice on this one and instead of hyping it to hell and back, "just wait".

Michael85

I'll pull the GTA example saying the original got a 6.4 and the sequel got a 6.9.

Or I can say that Bungie released Oni which recieved a 6.9 before Halo.

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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Its impossible, just look at the physics, animations, special effets, A.I and the over-all graphics. Sorry but gameplay will never = CG. The game will truly shine though, if they come close to the same emotion and feeling in gameplay. dackchaar

Just because something was CG doesn't mean it's not possible through the engine. If you watch the CG preview of Heavenly Sword and then the actual gameplay videos out now, the gameplay blows away the CG trailer.

I don't know how you're judging AI from a trailer, but we've now seen physics, animations and special effects that good elsewhere.

We haven't seen animations nor physics on par with that video yet. Especially the animations. YOu really have to pay attention to everything going on in the video to know that level of animations haven't been done yet.

From the videos I've watched, Crysis has things way more impressive. Granted that's on a PC but the point remains that those types of physics are doable in real time.

As far as the animations, I didn't see anything too impressive when you shoot someone. Only when people are yelling orders or waving you on, but that could be done the same way in engine cut scenes are.

I think people are underestimating this generation.

yeah, everyone thinks that we've already capped out what the systems can do already...

Has that ever been the case before even? I don't get it.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Its impossible, just look at the physics, animations, special effets, A.I and the over-all graphics. Sorry but gameplay will never = CG. The game will truly shine though, if they come close to the same emotion and feeling in gameplay. LosDaddie

Just because something was CG doesn't mean it's not possible through the engine. If you watch the CG preview of Heavenly Sword and then the actual gameplay videos out now, the gameplay blows away the CG trailer.

I don't know how you're judging AI from a trailer, but we've now seen physics, animations and special effects that good elsewhere.

We haven't seen animations nor physics on par with that video yet. Especially the animations. YOu really have to pay attention to everything going on in the video to know that level of animations haven't been done yet.

From the videos I've watched, Crysis has things way more impressive. Granted that's on a PC but the point remains that those types of physics are doable in real time.

As far as the animations, I didn't see anything too impressive when you shoot someone. Only when people are yelling orders or waving you on, but that could be done the same way in engine cut scenes are.

I think people are underestimating this generation.

Vey excellent point TC. I felt the exact same way tecnology has already changed so much with in the last few years. It was uncany to think that a game could ever look like that but after seeing such titles like GeoW I believe most of it could be done. Esp when they have had about 140 dev working on it and about $40 million dollars. Sony is investing alot in this and so Guerilla games so I hope the huge gamble works out I think it willPeterTimpa

Rewatching the trailer what really stands out to me is how awesome the explosions look.

The animations everyone talks about seem pretty doable to me if they happen the same exact way every time.

Its impossible, just look at the physics, animations, special effets, A.I and the over-all graphics. Sorry but gameplay will never = CG. The game will truly shine though, if they come close to the same emotion and feeling in gameplay. Adrian_Cloud

Just because something was CG doesn't mean it's not possible through the engine. If you watch the CG preview of Heavenly Sword and then the actual gameplay videos out now, the gameplay blows away the CG trailer.

I don't know how you're judging AI from a trailer, but we've now seen physics, animations and special effects that good elsewhere.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Flavour666"]Errr... Just for clarification: the Wii is a GameCube with a gimmick-controller. That's it. No game will ever look better than RE4. That's as good as it gets. The hardware can't process any more polygons, handle more textures etc. The developers had all the time in the world, as the first devkits where simply GameCubes with the gimmick-controller attached. IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER. IT CAN'T.REVOLUTIONfreak

The games coming out using Wii-dev kits do not look any better so that point is junk.

Also, to CLARIFY, Wii IS more powerful than a Gamecube, and an Xbox. While its not by very much, its enough to see a graphical improvement at some point. It CAN handle better textures, and it CAN handle more polygons. To say otherwise would be like saying the Xbox couldn't handle more polygons or better textures than a PS2... which isn't true.

The Xbox could output HD resolutions on some games, so it's not that the Wii is stronger than the Xbox. You would probably hae to go point by point to see which was better graphically.

why does it even matter? Everyone already knows that graphics aren't the Wii strong suite. Do we really have to keep bringing it up every five minutes? So it can't compete with 360, so what; it's not meant to. It's like people criticizing a toyota prius because it's not as fast as a corvette. jack_russel

The reason I even brought this up was threads like:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25720044

If the Wii is twice as powerful as GC, I don't see why wii owners aren't demanding to see it. Using Brawl to show that the Wii does have graphics better than last gen is annoying, and I wanted to point out why.

the wii is decent hardware, no mistaking it

it just takes development time. anyway, i dont get what the TC os trying to prove

Rahnyc4

Have you actually taken the time to read any of my posts in this thread?