Man I don't know how it is that I write these posts and always seem to forget like one stupid word in a sentence... I gotta learn to start typing slower.

The sentence was supposed to go "...and that alone makes it rather to "lay the smacketh" on them"

Yet another terrific post , were you on a debate team in high school or college or do you do it professionally ? That was wicked stuff , you're laying the smacketh down all over the place. I will try a summary (not very good at this but I will try)

PS3 has no games to purchase for pcphantomPS3 has no demos proving how great ps3 games are going to be , words are nothingpcphantom buys many 360 games leaving him broke , proving 360 is great and ps3 isn't Sony lied to pcphantom Games get delayed on the ps3 MGS4 will NOT going to be as good as people think , big meh. LittleBigPlanet is odd , why would anyone want to play that ?Infinite Discovery is almost finished and Square is very proud of it , FF13 probably isn't even in development yet or square knows it is mediocre. 360 multiplats outsell PS3 multiplats in NA (or the UK) , ps3 owned

Poor cows.

Nike_Air

LOL. Not exactly the way I would have summarizes it but close enough. Though it's odd seeing "pcphantom" in third person so many times in a post, I have to admit it made me laugh. To answer this yes, I was on the debate team in high school... good guess there but my arguments on the matter and the points I make aren't strong because of that, they are strong because I educated myself on this subject thoroughly before I opened my mouth. Unfortunately many people don't do this and that alone makes it rather to "lay the smacketh" on them when they try to argue with lies and rumors. The fact remains that my arguments for the 360's game superiority aren't successful because I know how to argue, it's because it's the truth and facts always pwn rumors. Anyway thanks for the support, nice to see a reply other than ".... oh yeah ... well you're a fanboy so HA!"

Yeah, stop quoting those long wall of words.

This thread is abt ps3 vs 360 GAMES.

So, PS3 wins. Cause this year, MGS4 and LBP will be coming to the PS3. Compared to any 360 games, both totally change the face of gaming. E.g. MGS4, how many action games fully utilise items and equiptment you have to an extent as much as MGS4? How many games have boss battles as intense as the MGS series? LBP is new what we've seen so far is unique and different.

360 line up loses to ps3. In terms of true AAA quality titles, multiplats have sold and appear better on the PS3

Burnout's quality was better on PS3 than 360. DMC4 was outsold on the PS3 than 360 (despite 360 having a bigger lead). GTA4 moved more PS3s than 360.

NG2 will just be another hack n slash game. It'll out do NGS with graphics, gameplay speed, etc. But nevertheless the storyline, the dept of the game, the small details of each level, the rich history behind MGS4 will completely blow away NG2, which storyline no one seriously ever cared abt or brought up. (in mgs4 case, everyone's talking bout the story ~)

Gears2 won't change gaming too. Whats new in Gears? Everyone's whos excited about gears would have purchased gears1 already. How will it sell more 360s?

obviously no lemming need a reminder that in 2007 the year which BIOSHOCK, HALO3, CALL OF DUTY 4, ORANGEBOX, ASS CREED, FORZAAA, C&C3 were release.

PS3 still outsold 360 worldwide.

sdu_1111

Ok, as much as I was avoiding quotes I just had to. Maybe because you didn't read my posts, maybe just lack of education, or even just that you get all of your information from the PSN forums, but I need to set a few things straight here. We'll start with correcting some either "Misinformation or Lies" whichever they may be.

First: Most current information I can find on DMC4 says 360 = 571,000 and PS3 = 394,000. I have found some other reports but the numbers are smaller and 360 are higher in them all as well.

Second: I don't care where you search, the numbers are all saying GTA4 360 outsells PS3 2-1... "64 percent of the copies of Grand Theft Auto IV sold during the first week were for Xbox 360, while 36 percent were sold on PS3. Put another way, that's a roughly 2 to 1 sales advantage for Xbox 360.64 percent of the copies of Grand Theft Auto IV sold during the first week were for Xbox 360, while 36 percent were sold on PS3. Put another way, that's a roughly 2 to 1 sales advantage for Xbox 360."

In fact, I will say quite clearly that I have not seen even ONE multi-platform game that the PS3 version outsold the 360 version. Not even ONE! In fact, look at the top 20 sales some time. I have never seen more than 2 PS3 games ever make the top 20 in one month and on any given month the 360 and Wii are usually number 1 & 2, DS is number 2 or 3, the PS2 is number 4 and PS3 is dead last... No game has yet to change this. CoD4 is a GREAT example. It remained the #1 game forever on the 360. Only stayed on the top 20 for 3 months on the PS3... Went #4, # 12, #19, then off the charts forever and that's even with the PS3 letting you play online for free!

Now I don't even think MSG4 looks like it's going to be that great... however I can't say that really because I haven't played it... but hay... neither have you! I am willing to stake money that MSG4 will NOT be this revolution in gaming you seem to hope it will be. It could turn out great, if so that will make it the first great PS3 game... but we'll see on launch day. Until then, all the talk about it is worthless as there isn't even a demo to play.

On to little big planet... yeah... this looks odd... not sure how odd or "different" makes it this great game. I think Heavenly Sword, Genji and Dark Kingdom looked different; they even looked REALLY good in trailers... Yeah... we all saw how that turned out... real blockbusters there. Heck if you want to talk about "Different" Infinite Undiscovery looks REAL different and looks a lot better than Little Big Planet... and guess what, Square actually is promoting this game... unlike FF13 which I am beginning to wonder if will ever come out.

So far in 08' the 360 already has great games out and more in store... the PS3 has delays and fanboys talking about how great games are going to be. Honestly, until you show me at least a demo for the PS3 that shows something great, your words are nothing. I know on my 360 I have more games than I can play to keep me going until even more great games come out and leave me broke from buying them all... I have a PS3, it's got games, I am sure yours does too... so tell me... what GREAT games do you own on yours that I don't have on my 360? Tell me a great PS3 exclusive game I can go out right now and buy or wait until one comes out to reply!

"Handed us a system that truly offers...."

geez, I can't type today...

I understand my post was LONG. That's why I am not replying with any quotes to posts that quoted me. I admit I got off on a rant and probably stated a lot more than needed to be said. I relay my "gaming habits" and such for no other reason than to state I speak from experience what experience that is. Anyone who has spent any time reading up on their console of choice has to agree there are WAY too many people out there that we all know are full of crap who tell us "Such and such console sucks, I don't own I but I played it at my friends house and...." you get the point.

Maybe part of my anger toward the PS3 because I have spent well over a thousand dollars on it and feel I haven't gotten any real hard core enjoyment out of it like I was led to believe I would.

I have had many arguments over the PS3 vs. 360 specs, games, etc. Most of these conversations I stumble across trying to look into either games that are coming out, games that are out but not in the US or exclusives I can purchase now. As I read them people rarely make any truly intelligent arguments and even more rarely are able to back it up when they do.

I don't sugar coat things and I don't lie. I am sorry if my post hurt anyone's feelings or makes you feel hostile toward me but the truth is Sony is the one that hurt people's feelings, they're the ones that lied to us all, got out hopes up then handed us a that truly offers nothing for our money. Don't hate on me for saying what others won't. Hate on them, maybe then they will fix things and make this a system worth owning.

Yeah, I'll admit the post was long, but like it or not it's the truth. The reason I get my multi-plat games thus for for the 360 aren't just "I think the 360 is better". For example, GTA4 has exclusive content, CoD4 has more reliable online play, Rock band allows me to use my Guitar Hero 3 guitar as a second guitar saving me money and allowing me to use my wireless guitar, and XBL just offers more in addition to having to install games to my PS3. I do download things like my music to my PS3 (I do like it more than the 360 as a media player despite it not having media center). Even if I did purchase all of my multi-plat content for the PS3 I would STILL have more games for the 360.

Though a lot of that post was not "necessary". if you actually read it you will see that I posted that to make the simple point that I DID give the PS3 a far bigger chance than I did the 360. The 360 came out a year sooner than the PS3 yet I had my PS3 a year before I got a 360. So yeah, there is a couple things I would like to point out here.

1. Just because a person thinks one system is better than the other, especially when that opinion is based on real experience and not just reading what other people say, does NOT make them a fanboy. If I had to be labeled a "Fanboy" I would have to go with a Wii Fanboy since that's the only system I purchased that I was going to get even if it sucked.

2. I so far see people quick to tell me I am wrong but I have yet to see anyone show anything to the contrary. Name some great games I can go buy right now for the PS3. I am a HUGE RPG fan, tell me what to go buy for my PS3. Oblivion? I beat it a LONG time before it was heard of on the PS3... what else is there? I have found more PS2 games to play on my PS3 than actually good PS3 games.

3. If there was original "Bias" toward any one system I was "biased" toward the PS3. I bought that system with no real backing behind "why" other than "I could". I hated the 360 without ever having played it and it wasn't until my frequent trips to game stop started really telling me I was wrong did I even give the 360 a chance.

I went into that post knowing I was gonna get flamed by fanboys. I did however hope they would have something better to say than that I am biased or calling me a fanboy. I am sorry if the truth hurts but it's the truth and I challenge any fanboy out there with a brain to prove otherwise. Links to games that don't exist yet aren't proof of anything other than you can make a screen shot look good... so what else do you have?

WoW I wrote this long post, now I gotta do it again because at the end I hit the wrong key and apparently cleared it.

Basically what I was saying is that I decided to jump in on this post because the more I hear this argument the more ridiculous it becomes. So I can no longer resist the urge to throw my 2c in and go get my hands dirty in this "War".

I know I am gonna make some fanboys really unhappy because I am standing firm behind my belief that the 360 is the better "Gaming Machine". However before I get too flamed, I am going to explain WHY I feel this way.

I'd like to start by stating that I actually do own ALL of the current gaming machines. I have several "Gaming PC's" running both XP MCE 05' and Vista Ultimate. I own both Handhelds, the PS3, the Wii, and the 360. I even have a collection of games on my iPaq and tons downloaded onto my Cell... so Yes, I AM A GAMER, NOT A FANBOY!!

I got my Wii on launch day, since then it has produced a steady amount of entertainment for my family but even that is slowly being taken over by the 360 with games like DDR Universe 2, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, American Idol, and Scene-It. My next purchase was my PS3 2 months after launch (60gb model @ $699+tax). I didn't have many games for it at first but kept myself entertained by hacking various versions of Linux and installing emulators and old school Linux games (this did not last THAT long though). I originally laughed at the 360, giggling at its mere one million first year sales, pointing and joking at the broken demo at Wal-Mart. Then in 07' I got one for my 6 year old son for x-mas. Even requested my wife get me CoD4 for the PS3 for x-mas since the "real gaming machine" was mine and my son got the 360. It was only while shopping for racing games for him to play that I began to see far more titles that I would be interested on his system. After a couple of months I could no longer resist and purchased a 360 for myself to go with the PS3 and Wii in the family room. It was a VERY short time before I became addicted to the superior internet play of XBL and grew a HUGE wish list of titles I wanted on my new system. I began shopping and shopping, still trying to give love to my PS3, but constantly being let down by it. This fact remains true today as all multi-platform games I purchase on the 360 and have yet to regret it. I even ended up getting CoD4 on the 360 and enjoy online play a lot more now that I no longer get randomly scrambled by "Host has lost connection". It is for this and MANY more reasons that I have to give it to my 360 for the "NOW" part of my reasoning. Any multi-console owner out there has to agree that in shopping for both systems you come up dry VERY quickly shopping for the PS3 but you can blow a year's budget in days shopping for the 360.

Now on to the consoles future. Microsoft and Sony are both revamping online play a bit. By this, Microsoft is adding the ability to create home brew games and even earn points selling them when you make something good. This I feel is going to greatly improve an already fantastic online community. Sony is creating "Home"... I am sorry, but this demo looks like a sick joke. It's like a lame cross between the Sims, XBL and MySpace with none of the best parts of either. I don't want to have to load some cheesy game to see my friends game scores, I don't want to have to form a group in a Sims world while we dodge Pepsi advertisers and spam trying to talk to make a group. I want to QUICKLY log in, add my friends to my group, check out people that are on for fill-in's, and get going to my game NOW... This to me is yet another thing that is WAY over the top and going so far beyond what I need that it makes it useless to me. I already know I will never use this once it's someday finished.

Moving past the net play, let's get into the dirty work of games. That's right, the MEAT of this whole argument. Now I hear a LOT of talk about the 08' line-up and how 08's going to be Sony's year. Let's take a look at that now shall we? It's now coming toward the ending half of May, some really good multi-platform games like DMC4 and GTA4 have hit store shelves and exploded (the bigger explosion for both titles belonging to the 360). We've seen some GREAT games like Lost Odyssey come out on the 360, what's come out so far though that's so great for the PS3 in 08'? I mean, I shop all the time and I have seen nothing... I hear lots of talk of MSG4, yet all the previews I see look like crap. I heard a LOT of fanboys talking about this great PS3 exclusive "Haze"... yet now the 360 version has previews on IGN. I hear LOTS of people talk about my most awaited PS3 titles FF13... but you know who doesn't talk about it? Square!!! Take a look at their web site! Not even ONE PS3 game is listed in all of their lovely previews and art galleries. In fact, in searching their web site as hard as I could for FF13 content I barely stumbled across two measly mentions of the game. The first was an announcement that it was being pushed back so they could pursue the release of DQ9 for the Nintendo DS and the second was their dispute to the rumor of a release date even existing for the game. Yet you DO see the 360 exclusive "Infinite Undiscovery" listed on there.

Now while we're on the subject of "Unreleased" games there is a few things we need to consider here. Most of the "PS3 exclusives" don't even have release dates yet. Sony's track record for the PS3 is filled with delays so honestly, who knows when ANYTHING is going to hit a shelf for their beloved PS3. Second, you can't count ANYTHING as an exclusive until it hits a shelf with an "Only On..." sticker, and even then there's little guarantee. Third, Microsoft has a VERY strong lineup of upcoming titles and releases them steadily, I am already awaiting "Spectral Force 3" this month and am comfortable knowing I will most likely be playing it this month. Let's face some track records when it comes to games. In 06' the 360 sucked. Sold 1 million consoles and got few originals and some ported PS2 games and that's about it. In 07' the PS3 got pwnd hands down by every other console in the world... I wouldn't be surprised to hear that handheld poker games outsold PS3 titles. Half way into 08' the 360 STILL looks strong as can be. Games aren't slowing down one bit and great titles are just getting better. Since I got my 360 in February my game library for it has easily surpassed all my other gaming machines combined and my wish list is not nearly filled yet. I can't buy them as fast as good games come out and honestly I LIKE THAT IN A GAMING CONSOLE! So far in 08' some good movies have come out I can watch on my PS3... but for games, sorry, there's nada.

What it all boils down to is this. I can walk in my living room and pick up a 360 controller and guarantee myself hours of fun till my eyes bulge out or I pass out from over-gaming. I can pick up my Wiimote and pop in fun for my family for hours too or keep my kids entertained so I can get my game on somewhere else. It's not hard to hop on my PC and veg for HOURS on end with hundreds of GREAT MMO's or find FREE games that are enjoyable. I can even keep myself busy for quite a while with the impressive lineup for the Nintendo DS or go look for cool mods for my PSP... but when I pick up my Sorry excuse for a controller Sony calls the "Sixaxis" (cheap subtle shot at Nintendo), the best thing I can do with it is pop in a movie that isn't on Satellite because otherwise I guarantee myself a quick trip to boredom.

To me, this is what gaming is all about... having fun playing games NOW. Not looking at YouTube videos with high hopes talking about what I am gonna hopefully have some day. Yeah, I keep my PS3 in hopes there will eventually be some good games to play, however don't think for a minute I am setting down my 360 controller to wait for them any longer. IMO the PS3 has nothing to offer me to justify my purchase of it as a gaming machine. I feel like all these old up scaled blue-ray disks are a rip off since their not native and I am just repaying to get a movie that will do what my TV does anyway and end up paying more for it while limiting what players in my house can watch it. Anyone with a TV good enough to get anything out of blue-ray already has good enough up scaling not to need it so to me it's nothing more than an overpriced DVD player. We could argue specs? But I got a boatload of ammo there too... in the end it's all about games and I feel the 360 has MUCH more to offer now and WILL continue to do so as frequent great games are released. Yeah, someday the PS3 will have some good titles to call its own, but there isn't a PS3 owner out there that hasn't already spent far too long waiting for someday to come.