[QUOTE="peter1191"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Uganda is not a spokesman for anything. Christianity does not condone death for homosexuality. What individuals might do is not the fault of the message. If you want to show me Christianity's stance on homosexuality....you'd have to use the NT. The OT is merely the companion book to the NT because from the Jewish people came Jesus. However, Christians do NOT follow Jewish law.LJS9502_basic
Christianity does not "eliminate" the old testament but replaces it in a way. There is no contradiction because the old testament was meant for the Jews, and the new testament was meant for the "new covenant" that Jesus established. We as Christians can still use the old testament for inspiration or to see how our predecessors dealt with certain issues, but these are not matters of law. Christianity does not have a death penalty.Why are you arguing with me? I was trying to reinforce you actually.... :)
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You made an incorrect statement though you use hyperbole to mask said statement.LJS9502_basic
Really? I always thought it does? I mean, historically, it did, and I hear that Christianity doesn't cancel the old testament of the Jews, but mostly this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
I'm pretty sure they would not go that far had they not interpreted things to the extreme.
Uganda is not a spokesman for anything. Christianity does not condone death for homosexuality. What individuals might do is not the fault of the message. If you want to show me Christianity's stance on homosexuality....you'd have to use the NT. The OT is merely the companion book to the NT because from the Jewish people came Jesus. However, Christians do NOT follow Jewish law. Christianity does not "eliminate" the old testament but replaces it in a way. There is no contradiction because the old testament was meant for the Jews, and the new testament was meant for the "new covenant" that Jesus established. We as Christians can still use the old testament for inspiration or to see how our predecessors dealt with certain issues, but these are not matters of law. Christianity does not have a death penalty.
[QUOTE="peter1191"] Quick rebuttal: there is no such thing as "punishable by death" in Christianity. Sure the Jews in the times of ancient Israel had laws to that effect, but Christians do not execute punishment via killing (or at least should not). Although I am not a catholic, I know catholics in the USA oppose abortion and capital punishment and all things related to humans killing or terminating other humans. Homosexuality, while frowned upon by the majority of the christian community, is not punishable by death.Frame_Dragger
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill You live in America, I live in a third world country that your America has a national interest in, but doesn't for Somalia and Southern Sudan, and above so, Uganda.
Welcome to third world countries Peter. You should see India or China, I'm sure you'll be in for a real treat.
Listen, in the USA there is separation of church and state. What the state does cannot be blamed on the church (aka christians) and vice versa. Furthermore there is a danger in defining a country according to its predominate religious tradition, then applying that generalization to all people of that religion in other countries. I know the USA has done horrific things, but this has nothing to do with christianity.
So? that simply means your mom is not following Quran and this still doesnt change the fact Quran is sexist.
Frame_Dragger
Also I am not a Muslim (I am a Christian) but in their defense Muhammad ended perverted practices by local tribes, such as female genital mutilation, and did in fact raise the status of women in his time. Islam still holds the man above the women in terms of intelligence (I heard a verse from the Quran to that effect) but I can't be an authority on that subject one way or another. So, if I stop someone from beating you to death, is it ok if I rape you?
I don't understand exactly what you mean, but I was trying to moderate the conversation. Islam has its positive and negative aspects from an outsider's point of view, and that is what I was trying to point out.
My dad's a sheikh, and back when she used to, my mom literally threw knifes at him all the time. Poor mom...
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So? that simply means your mom is not following Quran and this still doesnt change the fact Quran is sexist.
Also I am not a Muslim (I am a Christian) but in their defense Muhammad ended perverted practices by local tribes, such as female genital mutilation, and did in fact raise the status of women in his time. Islam still holds the man above the women in terms of intelligence (I heard a verse from the Quran to that effect) but I can't be an authority on that subject one way or another.
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Yes, is it wrong?Victorious_Fize
That was my point. Interpretations are up for debate.
Homosexuality is a crime that can be punishable by death in its greatest extent in all three religions. What's to debate about that? Quick rebuttal: there is no such thing as "punishable by death" in Christianity. Sure the Jews in the times of ancient Israel had laws to that effect, but Christians do not execute punishment via killing (or at least should not). Although I am not a catholic, I know catholics in the USA oppose abortion and capital punishment and all things related to humans killing or terminating other humans. Homosexuality, while frowned upon by the majority of the christian community, is not punishable by death.
In a sense there is nothing wrong with Sharia. For its time it was a valid way of organizing society during and following the rise of Muhammad. The question is, as always, if it remains relevant to today's needs. As a Christian I prefer Jesus and St. Paul's method of approaching issues, i.e. "leave unto Caesar what is Caesar's." The laws of the land are just that, the laws of the land. THe laws that each and every individual follows (not the letter of the laws, but the attitude of the spirit of the laws, "christian behavior") is determined by religion. THis appears to be an innovation in Christianity that prevents its morals from oppressing the state (despite what haters would say) and allows it to thrive and continue. Jesus made it clear when he said that "my kingdom is not of this world." When you combine the state and religion, or law and religion, all you get is a mess where religion and the law both suffer. Sharia is a tight connection between religion and the law, and thus opposing the law is like opposing religion, and often times changes in society require changes in law. See where I am going here? Sharia is "bad" precisely because it sets out to combine two things that the West has wisely separated for centuries. This division was never present in Islam and hence the current struggles in the middle east. Thats not to say that the Catholic church has not resisted its loss of physical power, but then again it is precisely this addiction to power and "divine right" that make the state and religion a potent and dangerous mix.
I would explain to them the benefits of Christianity, why I personally believe, and I would pray for them. My personality is more oriented to attacking those I don't agree with, I will admit, but ultimately (at least for Christianity) we can only be justified through faith. I can not force someone to believe, no matter how much I would want to. The way I see it, Jesus conquered billions by living an admirable life, so that very example should be followed.
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