[QUOTE="peter1191"]One more thing: the chances of defects are tiny even in incestual relations. Its only a rumor propagated by what has happened to several European families. In reality, almost 10 percent of the human population is defective in some way. Incest will not increase this number significantly. No, the only way to avoid such taboos is to reject them outright as bad socially to any society. Too bad people will not follow this train of thought.Eddie5vs1

You are right, but also understand that if incest was legal then people could chose between a father/mother/brother/sister and others, so there is no need to limit the gene pool, only a choice. Therefore such a legalization will not damage the population so much genetically as socially.

Lol people made fun of my argument against gay marriage as a "slippery slope fallacy" when I stated that the event of legalizing gay marriage doesn't automatically lead to other types of taboo relationships (such as incestual) but puts people in a mind set to accept it. Bam, I was right. There is no point in arguing here. There is no debate. Once you accept the premise that love=sexual relationship bar nothing, then you have put yourself in a position to accept anything. "Gross" doesn't count. "Gross" can be overcome. It was overcome with homosexuality (which, in my opinion, is extremely "gross"), and it will be overcome here. So TC, don't worry, as states legalize gay marriage, they will ask the same question you asked yourself, and everything will follow from there.

peter1191

One more thing: the chances of defects are tiny even in incestual relations. Its only a rumor propagated by what has happened to several European families. In reality, almost 10 percent of the human population is defective in some way. Incest will not increase this number significantly. No, the only way to avoid such taboos is to reject them outright as bad socially to any society. Too bad people will not follow this train of thought.

Lol people made fun of my argument against gay marriage as a "slippery slope fallacy" when I stated that the event of legalizing gay marriage doesn't automatically lead to other types of taboo relationships (such as incestual) but puts people in a mind set to accept it. Bam, I was right. There is no point in arguing here. There is no debate. Once you accept the premise that love=sexual relationship bar nothing, then you have put yourself in a position to accept anything. "Gross" doesn't count. "Gross" can be overcome. It was overcome with homosexuality (which, in my opinion, is extremely "gross"), and it will be overcome here. So TC, don't worry, as states legalize gay marriage, they will ask the same question you asked yourself, and everything will follow from there.

Christianity. First to state that we are all equal (although the medival church curiously ignored Jesus and went with Aristotle's view of women, for example)

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] I would accept what you say if you werent lying. "I thought you thought I was white, so I wanted "to prove" that I'm not a racist. " then you say you dont hate whites.... jesus man theres no way out of it, you are a racist person.Free_Marxet

Look hear me out, this is the assumption I was operating under: you thought I was white, and you blamed racism for the jailing of many African Americans in the USA, right? So I thought: "ok, he doesn't look favorablly upon white people, but would you look at that, I'm not white!" so I said so. Now I realize you yourself are not racist, so this whole "I'm not white" thing is not necessary. I was afraid you would accuse me of bias....and ironically this has already happened. So really dude, give it some rest, after all my uncle is black and my sis married a white guy, so I hardly see the point in this whole thing. YOur accusation hurts because....well your saying I'm insulting my own family. Really, its not true.

No I thought you were angry because you were black. Look at that one Professor from Harvard, Gates is it? One misstep and your trapped. I don't want you to hate anybody, I wanted you only to hear me out without dismissing me. SO I did what I did. Now, I think your wrong for assuming this or that about me, and calling me racist, when the only thing you know about me is what you see on this forum. Look, I'll forget about this whole issue, but be careful: a charge of racism, especially in modern times, is especially hard to recover from, even if the person is genuinely not racist (like those idiots who claim obama "hates white people" yet his mom was white, how is that even possible?). The simple fact is we should state our opinion and not have to fear that the word "racist" be used against us as a first response. You should know: this discussion was originally about capital punishment, now its me defending myself against an accusation that I can't even imagine. You are not "stupid" because you are black, nor is any one "stupid" because of color (you know your black color is created by a protein in the skin called melanin? It has nothing to do with your intellectual strength). We are all equal, under the law, and hopefully to each other. YOu have not treated me like an equal, or considered the fact that I was sincere. Consider this next time you make a accusation of racism. Your words are strong, stronger than you possiblly understand from your computer there.

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] 1)not true, whites commit the most crimes 2)"I thought you thought I was white, so I wanted "to prove" that I'm not a racist" wow dude you just keep getting worse. Thats the biggest racist stereotype you can throw at a white person - to assume that only they can be racist, or they whites are all racist. You need some help, big time. RacistFree_Marxet

No I mean per capita for point 1, but I just looked it up and I'm wrong, sorry. As for point two, I assumed that YOU thought I WAS WHITE. I'm not stereotypign whites at all. I just wanted to show you that I was neutral in your troubles, but I did not imply that white people are naturally racist. Hardly, as the facts prove. It seems that every statement I make turns out worse and worse for you. How can I prove I'm not a racist, lol, if you refuse to accept the sanctity of my claims? Is my opinions no longer valid? I say I'm no racist, and that I don't care about. Please, I beg you, stop putting words in my mouth.

Look hear me out, this is the assumption I was operating under: you thought I was white, and you blamed racism for the jailing of many African Americans in the USA, right? So I thought: "ok, he doesn't look favorablly upon white people, but would you look at that, I'm not white!" so I said so. Now I realize you yourself are not racist, so this whole "I'm not white" thing is not necessary. I was afraid you would accuse me of bias....and ironically this has already happened. So really dude, give it some rest, after all my uncle is black and my sis married a white guy, so I hardly see the point in this whole thing. YOur accusation hurts because....well your saying I'm insulting my own family. Really, its not true.

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] first you said: blacks commit the most crimes then you said: im not racist because im not white you hate black and white people. Stop being a racist.Free_Marxet

1) I stated that the black community commits the most crimes per population basis. I might be wrong, but I heard that on CNN.

2) I thought you thought I was white, so I wanted "to prove" that I'm not a racist. Obviously since Obama won the election by a strong majority last year, racism is not at all a factor in the decision making.

So there, can't we just drop this attack?

No I mean per capita for point 1, but I just looked it up and I'm wrong, sorry. As for point two, I assumed that YOU thought I WAS WHITE. I'm not stereotypign whites at all. I just wanted to show you that I was neutral in your troubles, but I did not imply that white people are naturally racist. Hardly, as the facts prove. It seems that every statement I make turns out worse and worse for you. How can I prove I'm not a racist, lol, if you refuse to accept the sanctity of my claims? Is my opinions no longer valid? I say I'm no racist, and that I don't care about. Please, I beg you, stop putting words in my mouth.

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] if you look back at his previous posts he actually has crap against white people too... this guy is really an extreme racistFree_Marxet

Look, dude, listen. I don't care about color. Really, truely, honestly. THis racist accusation is something unfair. You can't criticise any community without having your words misconstrude by others. No, I haven't said any crap against white people (where did that come from anyway?) nor have I insulted black people, nor tan, nor yellow, nor green, nor nada on the color spectrum. Be reasonable. I am merely saying problems exist. All communities have problems. Is it wrong to point them out? Now please stop accusing me, because your poisening the well and I can't win. I am sincere, and don't be so violent with your attacks. Men like Martin Luther King, John Brown, Abraham Lincoln and even Obama, prove that racism has no place in the US or any country. We can agree on that, can't we?

1) I stated that the black community commits the most crimes per population basis. I might be wrong, but I heard that on CNN.

2) I thought you thought I was white, so I wanted "to prove" that I'm not a racist. Obviously since Obama won the election by a strong majority last year, racism is not at all a factor in the decision making.

So there, can't we just drop this attack?

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Haha, no, its a result of a culture that does not emphasize schooling and societal sucess. No different from most immigrant groups. Integration and commitment ends this problem. Deny truth, but thats how it is. Now, what does this topic have to do with race again?

Free_Marxet

Look, dude, listen. I don't care about color. Really, truely, honestly. THis racist accusation is something unfair. You can't criticise any community without having your words misconstrude by others. No, I haven't said any crap against white people (where did that come from anyway?) nor have I insulted black people, nor tan, nor yellow, nor green, nor nada on the color spectrum. Be reasonable. I am merely saying problems exist. All communities have problems. Is it wrong to point them out? Now please stop accusing me, because your poisening the well and I can't win. I am sincere, and don't be so violent with your attacks. Men like Martin Luther King, John Brown, Abraham Lincoln and even Obama, prove that racism has no place in the US or any country. We can agree on that, can't we?

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] im a human. but people like you keep me in my racial barrier. yeah thats what all racists say "i have tons of friends of different races!!!!! i swear!!!" guilty. forever. white people commit the majority of the crime, because theres more whitessupa_badman

And when has this argument been false? Have I denied you guys rights? Have I said anything bad about the individual black or black community? I am not a racist, but it is you who confines yourself to racist pretensions. If you only realise that I could care less for race, you would drop this sillyness. But of course you will not stop. It gives you an upperhand in an otherwise nonsensical conversations. Let me put it for you in formula form, just in case you finally come around to understanding what I'm saying:

me=no care about color;

no care about color=not racist;

me=not racist.

Haha, no, its a result of a culture that does not emphasize schooling and societal sucess. No different from most immigrant groups. Integration and commitment ends this problem. Deny truth, but thats how it is. Now, what does this topic have to do with race again?