Collectors aside.

@BranKetra: Imo, the fact that they buy a game because of its franchise and not because of its content is enough for me to call them so.

@BranKetra: I'll put it straight.

I believe they buy the games because Final Fantasy is in the title and not because of the game itself.

@srebmunahcnub never said everyone hates it.

Only that the game itself is bad.

@BranKetra: Not sure if you got that context right.

If you did, very well understand it this way.

Some of the Final Fantasy fans which I must say are more than one merely want Final Fantasy because the game IS a Final Fantasy, not because the actual storyline, characters, graphics, gameplay, or any other aspect of the game.

@Assassin_87 "So you hate SE and hold a lot of FF fans in contempt because of XIII and the games that followed? That's even more stupid than the initial premise I had gleaned from reading the OP."

I don't see how hating a company for fucking up my hopes and my likes to it and saying based on many comments (perhaps a minory of) the fan base is gullible is "stupid".

I played XIII and I have my right to say it's bullcrap.

@Assassin_87: Read the first 3 lines of the post.

"The Final Fantasy fanbase and general games above FF13 are horrid."

and this one too

"DISCLAIMER: I'm NOT saying every Square Enix, Final Fantasy fan etc are all the same, behave the same or think the same."

Don't bring previous FFs into this.

@BranKetra I said they are gullible about the game franchise. When did I say I was intellectualy superior? It's just my opinion about XIII+ above games. After playing I feel in my right of giving my opinion.

DISCLAIMER: I'm NOT saying every Square Enix, Final Fantasy fan etc are all the same, behave the same or think the same.

And no, I also hate Square Enix because after ****'ing up with Final Fantasy XIII they had the balls to go there and blame it on the Game Engine. I really don't see how the Game Engine makes the story more/less repetitive. (I saw an interview but forgot the source)

@BranKetra Also no, I said the Fanbase is gullible because after seeing how they don't even care about what is IN the game and only about the franchise title it has... well. Also no, while I said I didn't personally liked them I also said that I generally think as a fact the Final Fantasy series have been going worse.

@Jag85 Check the USER reviews. I honestly think game journalism barely rates non-visual components. Despite it is still a factor in reviews. And I can understand they're hyped up after 9 years of waiting. Only thing I can't accept is "BEST GAME MAKERS EVER", "BEST FRANCHISE ALL TIME" and all of those.

@fize4ever I've played many FF games and it never came to my mind to say anything bad about them. However though I had faith in Square Enix after bringing me good games like The World Ends With You, Just Cause 2, and other games that, tbh are pretty decent. Then I played Final Fantasy XIII (specially called my attention because 1) My comp could run it 2) PC version). Before this comes to topic, no, I didn't rate FF13 based on it's HORRIBLE (accept it) port to PC.The story was bad, and there were no human antagonists. Also I must say the scenes with Snow and Serah felt like a Soap Opera, the summons felt like watching Transformers and many other things.

FFXIV is somewhat good (haven't played it; don't intend to. Don't like MMORPGs) thanks to ARR, without ARR (I think everybody knows but; A Realm Reborn) it wouldn't have improved a bit.

I seriously.

Seriously.

Didn't want to hate on Square Enix. But after the good taste the FF Franchise left me and playing the FIFTY FUCKING EIGHT GIGABITES of Final Fantasy 13, I lost all faith.

Also, before answering kindly read this part.

The Final Fantasy fanbase and general games above FF13 are horrid. -PhantomEssence

@fize4ever: must've mixed them up, I wouldn't put CC of AvC in that list.

btw spare the Moron part.

My unconditional point is the FF13 game series. **** those.

I've played Final Fantasies before FFVII. In the DS ones, the only disadvantage was the DS performance. Can't blame that on anyone can't I? Except maybe nintendo.

FFIV, and FF (dont remember the number Vaan was in) were (imo) good games between them all.

I lost all faith for Square Enix the moment I concluded FF13 with 20 hours of gameplay (basically 1/3rd of the total gameplay).

FFXIV is better because of ARR, if they hadn't done that FFXIV would've probably failed.

And I get annoyed by FFXV fearing it will end up like FF13

@Lulu_Lulu: It really isn't my fault if Square Enix dares have an ego when their games are crap