Well, the graphics discussion.... its no discussion, ps4 has better graphics than ps3.... and yeah, give it time, all the games that come a few years later look way better once the developers get to know the system... for example, Beyond two souls in ps3... amazing graphics, give it time

two, enemies keep coming if you dont turn off the alarm, and you say NO ONE TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO.... why should they tell you everything, i rather that way than feeling like playing a tutorial the whole game... also, i got my ps4 with killzone 2 days ago... and what i did.... found the alarm... once you see it (easy to spot) it says press L1.... so, i think its pretty straight forward....

but if that the way you like it.... by the way, maybe stay away from games like DEMON SOULS.. the graphics are bad, no one tells you what you should do... but its just one of the greatest games ever...

Well.... i hope so, because that wiould be amazing
but i think like soeone say before, they are 2 different games... i always, alwaaaaaaaaaaaays, give silent hill a try, just because i always hope they release a good one.

I played the last one...dont even remember the name... and at the beginning was good and i really hoped the best, but once the enemies came out and others stuff that make it unplayable... i was dissapointed

Actually the first KZ i played was KZ3, never played the previous ones... and i only played because i got it for free... i wasnt interested, and i heard that wasnt so good... and i have to say i play it a lot, and off-line co op is big plus for me.

Now i just started with KZ shadow fall, and i think its good so far, nothing amazing but not bad either... i found it pretty annoying that the enemy in the second chapter just saw you and come from everywhere and shoot you from far far away. besides that seems quite good.

The other thing is that the missions, many times i get lost and i had no idea what to do or where to go... but thats just me maybe

I think PC graphics are better, but for me it doesn't come to that... i just want a console so when i come home, i just turn it on and start playing...dont worry about requirements or what not... and my personal opinion ... is that the graphics are not the most important thing...as long as the game is good and plays well, i had a blast playing castle crashers (psn game) and i didnt really liked crysis 3.... so, point made i think. (plus minecraft has the best ratings and the graphics are terrible)

and there is always improvement, the first ps3 games didnt look so spectacular... and then you see games like Beyond two souls. And if graphics is really that important, well... get a powerful PC i guess... for me its about sitting in the sofa after work and play a little bit just to "disconnect" from work and stuff.

@jcrame10:God! ahahhaahha, i hope you enjoy both of them. the crew looks more fun and driveclub more like a simulator (comparing both), and tell me what you thing of driveclub when you geet it :)

ewalthour i agree with you, Driveclub looks good and have been taking his time in the making (should be good), also that there is an incentive even if you dont finish first is really smart!... anyways, i have been looking at the gameplay the last days and there is something about it that doesn't convince me 100%... like you say, its gonna be free on psn (not the whole game), but its nice so i can give it a try.... plus im a offline gamer... because i play only some hours during the week, and i have no psn friends to make a club or crew online to play this games...which seems to be the way you enjoy it more... anyways, i think you race by yourself, so its more about getting XP points from the other members of the club...which... i honestly, dont care :) its an online game, and like the crew, you can play solo (i guess so)

Last of Us 2 would be amazing!!!

and to be honest, i really enjoyed the 2 first Uncharted... but, when i started playing number 3... i was a little bit tired of it.... still a nice game anyways

What do you think...?

I have to say that the Crew look more "fun" and driveclub looks kind of a codemaster game (grid) which for me its not bad at all (cause that also fun, at least for me)

Plus The crew you can customize your cars and i think (not sure) you cant do that in Driveclub

Anyways...I think both look pretty good so far, still not decided on which one to get...(or both), what im worried about this games is that you have to have a "club" or "crew" i guess to play, and usually i just play offline, some hours per week. I don't know how this games will work for me that way. I guess you can race as a single player and get your own XP points and so on...