So you would penalize the fighter for investing in defense?

like I said before, war isn't fair. You can't penalize someone for making their country more safe.

hokies1313

We became safer when we obtained nuclear weapons.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

Russia still has nuclear missiles, and apparently the political will power to launch.

hokies1313

Quite crucial to your understanding of what's going on, I'd think.

In retaliation for the US building a defensive measure.

It would be like Germany invading France for building the Maginot Line. It doesn't make sense.

Bad analogy, because obviously Germany would know the French are no threat.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

The missile shield cannot be used offensively.

Tony-Harrison

Wrong. Defence is the best form of offence. Immunity against nuclear missiles gives America capability to launch nuclear weapons without fear of retaliation.

any president would be hard pressed to find any excuse to get any american to support a strike.Tolwan

Oh the Glory of America.

Exactly. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.

It's like having a UFC match, where one of the contenders brings in a big metal shield. "It's not offense brah, it's defense".

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

How sick is it that we live in a world where everyone would prefer the ability to slaughter billions rather than a world where a nuke is obsolete.

Tolwan

Utopian Rhetoric. Nuclear weapons exist and will not be rendered obsolete by an American defense shield. It is more likely that the defense shield will be used to up the aggressiveness of American politics.

The Missile Shield is constantly being improved and revised by the US military. Currently, our Shield in conjuction with our missiles (The patriot missiles if i recall) now have a 99% chance of intercepting the nuke they are launched at. That's pretty good. We just need to ability to take out a large amount and we're set. Expanding the Shield in the US, and putting it in other countries where it would be close to the launch location (And also help us keep a track on where they are) would make interception much easier. This is something we've spent many many billions of dollars on and are constantly testing.

"Our laser guided missles are 99% accurate. We can directly hit someone threw a window."

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[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

The missile shield is merely the next stage of military warfare. When the US made the nuke, nobody came over and bombed us, they just made their own. If Russia wants to stay in the game, they need to develope their own missile shield. If they push this to conflict, that does raise some eyebrows. They may be looking for an excuse for a conflict, or they may want to maintain the ability to inflict mass destruction with their nuclear weapons.

We merely wish to imploy more advanced technologies to help protect our nation and our allies nations. If russia Wishes to do the same, it should invest it's own resources to keep up. It should not shake it's fist and threaten to blow something up everytime somone invents something more powerful. And in the end, this is a VERY good thing. If we create a "Missile Shield Race" where Everyone's developing missile shields, we may eventually create an environment where people no longer need to fear the end of the human race at the end of a nuke.

Tolwan

Or, if you recall Russias initial reactions over the Missle Shield last year, they explicitly mentioned that they saw such a menuver as Cold War-esque. What you are suggesting is exactly that: pushing for an arms race.

Except that no nation as the economic ability nor will to keep up with the US. We arent in an arms race and we still have more funds in our military than the rest of the world combined. All this shield should do is push others to develope their own. How sick is it that we live in a world where everyone would prefer the ability to slaughter billions rather than a world where a nuke is obsolete.

And how dare us Americans care about our own national security? Sorry, but that's sort of the point of a nation and government, to protect its people. We're just helping out our allies in the process. Russia doesnt need to point weapons at everyone, but it is. It "likes" having the world on edge, and having the ability to slaughter billions. Because that keeps russia in the game without it having to keep it's conventional military up to par. We arent going to keep billions at risk to appease Russia.

lolwut?

1. The concept is simple. The Cold War ended because of a stalemate. Both the Russia and the United States had nukes that could wipe each other out -- mutual destruction. This missle shield essentially sledgehammers the stalemate, putting Russia's current soverienty at risk. Of course they are going to react, as well as react with military threats.

2. Russia was not pointing missles at the United States for over a decade. Guess what drew them to point at us last year? Oh, that's right... the Missle Shield we are building.

3. We aren't protecting ourselves by pissing of nations that can do substantial harm to us. Especially when this missle shield, while it protects us, threatens Russia.

No. Translation: "Russia has no standing to tell what the US and her allies what to do, especially with DEFENSIVE weaponry."

hokies1313

So, you would accept Iran obtaining Nuclear weapons as a deterrent against the United States? lmao. Ya, right.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

If they push this to conflict, that does raise some eyebrows.

hokies1313

Only if you don't understand why Russia is upset.

To take down the missile shield in order to nuke America, a country would first have to launch strikes close to Russia. How messed up is that?

First off, this sheild was accepted by Poland and the Czech Republic, so Russia really doesn't have a standing. Warfare and politics isn't about fair. And the point is not to have people attack nations near Russia, Russia has a problem because THEY can no longer attack the US without attackign Europe.

Yeah, Russia doesn't like it, but tough luck, they don't really have a say.

*cough* Cubian Missle Crisis *cough*

The missile shield is merely the next stage of military warfare. When the US made the nuke, nobody came over and bombed us, they just made their own. If Russia wants to stay in the game, they need to develope their own missile shield. If they push this to conflict, that does raise some eyebrows. They may be looking for an excuse for a conflict, or they may want to maintain the ability to inflict mass destruction with their nuclear weapons.

We merely wish to imploy more advanced technologies to help protect our nation and our allies nations. If russia Wishes to do the same, it should invest it's own resources to keep up. It should not shake it's fist and threaten to blow something up everytime somone invents something more powerful. And in the end, this is a VERY good thing. If we create a "Missile Shield Race" where Everyone's developing missile shields, we may eventually create an environment where people no longer need to fear the end of the human race at the end of a nuke.

Tolwan

Or, if you recall Russias initial reactions over the Missle Shield last year, they explicitly mentioned that they saw such a menuver as Cold War-esque. What you are suggesting is exactly that: pushing for an arms race.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]

If Russia was to do what the United States is doing with this missle thing, the United States would have a field day, we might even threaten invasion of whatever country they were putting the missles in.... Wait a minute, didn't that already happen once? :?

Tony-Harrison

Do you know what a missile shield is? It's a purely defensive thing, it shoots down nukes. The fact the russia is against that raises some eyebrows.

Russia is against it because in order to take it down, a country would have to attack within the vicinity of Russia.

Yes, and it negates much Russia's defense against Europe and the United states.