man i didnt even know this was happining! wow am def watching this.. i got fedor, lets see if he comes back from that loss...

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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] do you understand that america is not a theocracy? we don't base our laws on the views of religionSword-Demon

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see, i have the complete opposite opinion. i believe that it IS different and should be treated as such. people in this politically correct society of ours can never seem to tell it like it is but rather dance around the truth because of people's different sensitivities and opinions. being gay IS different than being straight the same as being black is different than being white and being a man is different than being a woman. people are different but everyone should receive the same opportunities and rights. i feel civil unions would provide just that.

i also disagree with your statement that it would further the perception that being gay is wrong. people who are anti gay because of religious reasons or some other reason will never accept it regardless. however this demographic in much smaller than people that are anti gay marriage and feel like people will be much more accepting of civil unions with the same rights. if anything i think it would improve the outlook on gay people because the most controversy stems from the gay marriage debate.

ItalStallion777

I agree that being gay is different, just like being black or white. But the difference is that gay people are treated different. Black people used to be treated different, but now there is equality. People will always be treated different by different people, but gay people are treated differently nationwide by not being able to get married.

marriage is a title, simple as that. that title traditionally and religiously has been a title of commitment between one man and one woman. civil union is a different title, provided to a different circumstance, that would give all the same rights but would be different. i honestly feel that the main issue amongst gay partners is getting the same rights that straight partners enjoy. i'd be interested to see however, how many gay partners would be satisfied with a civil union like the one i described and how many would still push for gay marriage.

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Noone chooses to be gay

Period,

Common sense can tell me that right off the bat.

If it doesnt to you, google studies on it

You'll be surprised

Sword-Demon

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I cant believe how people can say things like this.

Being gay is related to those things?

TonyDanzig

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I cant believe how people can say things like this.

Being gay is related to those things?

imetamonster

Noone chooses to be gay

Period,

Common sense can tell me that right off the bat.

If it doesnt to you, google studies on it

You'll be surprised

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[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

I cant believe how people can say things like this.

Being gay is related to those things?

imetamonster

Yeah me too.

thts why im pro gay marriage

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[QUOTE="Shadow4020"]

You think that because the country "allows" people to be gay that they owe something?

That is just wrong.

Shadow4020

And what trials would those be?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Personally I am not under the belief that same-sex marriage is a matter of equal rights, but rather, attempting to make what has been considered socially wrong to be socially right. This is a moral issue, not a rights issue. That said, it is my desire that same-sex marriage, pornography, and, where not already, prostitution to all be illegal. However, my own personal ambition is not to force my morality upon others (with certain exceptions such as being against murder, prostitution, necrophilia, slavery, etc.) but to share my savior. Through one's love of Christ such things are to done away with, not solely by laws and governmental means. In other words, my ultimate desire is for people to know Jesus, not to force a specific moral code (though that would be the eventual conclusion, just not necessarily the goal).imetamonster

I cant believe how people can say things like this.

Being gay is related to those things?