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@dcowboys007 PLEASE explain to me how Joel is a sympathetic character? Because his daughter died? Because he's had to survive the hard, unforgiving times? Because he couldn't stand the fact a girl he knew for only a year had to die to save humanity? Doesn't matter. He's still a selfish, short-sighted, calloused, cold-hearted, lying psychopath who condemned his own entire species just to save 1 girl who probably would've preferred to have been the martyr anyway.


You fail to see this and you say there's something wrong w/ ME?

A sympathetic character is someone you can relate to, identify with, or care about. You identify w/ selfish psychopathy and the inability to say "thank you" to anyone? You care about someone who kills dozens of innocents and condemns thousands more just so he could have a replacement daughter?

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@talkcasual i definitely do give Naughty Dog credit for portraying a character and presenting a world that is so engrossing that it sucked me in to where I felt like I did have some sentimental tie to it. And, yeah, i do give them credit for avoid the cliche.

But, yes, I am sure most ppl would NOT act like Joel in that situation.

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@SythisTaru uhh, Joel is in no way a sympathetic character. He's a delusional, stubborn, overly-calloused asshole who has no regard for anyone but himself. Until he falls in love w/ a kid. He basically kills all of mankind for 1 girl he doesn't even like until she cries him a river. How could anyone sympathize for him?

Worst protagonist in a video game ever! (ok...the Soul Calibur 5 kids were pretty bad...and Kratos...)

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Thought this game would make my all-time list. Until the last chapter.

Great graphics, great presentation, great setting, great gameplay, great story. Until you take control of psychopath who dooms all of mankind.

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@hastati4 let's say you are correct. We CAN agree you are also right in the sense that it doesn't tell us what defines a "gamer" based on this poll. A poll which probably is skewed based on its target demographic and limited sample size.

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@R2C25 @saint311 @FCT-Steve-O doctor. w/ the door closed.

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@hastati4 i'm assuming it's a typo (he did use "that" instead of "than" in the article too) and just a repeated stat.

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@FCT-Steve-O my mom and dad were hardcore gamers when i was a kid, too, apparently.

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@hastati4 read the article, it states PURCHASERS, not gamers

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can we just ignore this article? it states women are 46% of game PURCHASERS. think of all the moms who buy games for their kids out there...