[QUOTE="seercirra"]

[QUOTE="ZombieAkane"]

I was just thinking, making a Radeon 6850 with 2gb of GDDR5 is a bottleneck isn't it?

Or a GTX 550-ti with a 192 memory bus.

I'm not sure I am asking you. So don't get mad.

My way of seeing it, is that a 6850 can't utilize 2gb of Vram properly just like a GTX 550-ti can't take full advantage of a 192 bit memory bus.

So, a 2gb 6950 is much more capable of utilizing that 2gb. Therefor more balanced = less bottleneck?

retrogamer1971

After some thought about various scenarios I will add this:

I like to think of the gpu as the end of the pipeline before what you see is displayed on your monitor. In the case of a top of the line rig with a weak gpu, you have a very wide pipeline that allows lots of data flow, but once you get to the weak gpu the pipeline thins out and restricts how much you will see (fps) on your monitor at any given time. Now, if you go and buy a more powerful gpu, the pipeline gets bigger and allows more data to flow to your monitor. I'd argue that the gpu in this case is acting as a bottleneck, as the system itself is capable of producing more fps but is hampered by the gpu.

but there is such a thing as a definition, and a gpu cannot by definition be a bottleneck. you get crap performance with a crap GPU, its that simple. the monitor will display what ever you give it. or are you gonna tell me that your graphics card bottlenecks your monitor?? its like saying, if you are trying to play a an mp3 on a cd player that your cd player bottlenecks your MP3. no it doesnt, you just cant play mp3's on a cd player. like you cant have the best graphics on a crappy gpu. do you not think its obvious to people if they buy a £10 gpu that it wont be good in games?? why complicate that for noobs but telling them its a "bottleneck"? there is a reason things are defined as they are. philosophize all you like but do it on a philosophy forum. not a technical help forum.

heres a scenario. what if i had NO gpu?? what if i just used crappy onboard graphics? would you then tell me that my system was bottlenecked by an ABSENCE of a peice of hardware? you would tell me my system was bottlenecked by thin air? now you see how ludicrous you sound. if you want to tell me my system is bottlenecked by having no graphics card, i would ask what WHAT is it bottlenecking? everything in your pc already fulfills its duty with or without a graphics card. a cpu in a game will do everything it can to play the game. if it cant then its because it lacks a function or simply isnt powerful enough. adding a graphics card provides you with the function and power, but nothing was bottlenecked before.

mh. are you sure you plugged your monitor back into the graphics card slot, and not at the back of the motherboard after you went in to see if anything was loose?

other than that and making sure cables are tight, i would reset the bios (take mobo battery out, put it back in reverse for a couple mins then change it back), and assuming that you can get into bios, make sure that your first boot device is your hard drive with windows on it, and not your cd rom.

Hi is this motherboard any good to build a cheap PC with. MSI H61M-E33 Intel H61 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard **B3 REVISION** [H61M-E33 (B3)]. Its 46.99 including VAT. Im wanting to build a new PC but cheep for my 1st one and my brother is going to buy it off me so this is going to be my tester to see if i can build one.

Thanks in advance.

skipper847

if im honest im not sure you should be trying to build a PC before you can spell "cheap"

I was just thinking, making a Radeon 6850 with 2gb of GDDR5 is a bottleneck isn't it?

Or a GTX 550-ti with a 192 memory bus.

I'm not sure I am asking you. So don't get mad.

My way of seeing it, is that a 6850 can't utilize 2gb of Vram properly just like a GTX 550-ti can't take full advantage of a 192 bit memory bus.

So, a 2gb 6950 is much more capable of utilizing that 2gb. Therefor more balanced = less bottleneck?

ZombieAkane

[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Yes we all get the explanation, thats not what we are talking about, we are on a gaming forum. A **** GPU holds back a CPU from its potential, yes yes we know the CPU still works fine but its still not going to be put to good use in games, thats why people are calling it a bottleneck.V4LENT1NE

then you can have fun spending 2k on the latest experimental graphics card because anything less than what is possible is a "bottleneck".

and ps: its not a "play on words" its a definition which has been in place for years. for a reason, and it wont change just because you want to be a troll on a forum.

honestly someone needs to ban this troll.

Good enough choice of parts, you dont need such a strong cooler though for a 4-4.3 overclock. i run my 2500k at 4.6 ghz on a cheap gigabyte z68 mobo (ga-z68ap-d3) and a £15 arctic cooling freezer 7 pro.

you neither need to buy a "gaming" or "extreme" motherboard or bother with expensive cooling. this is the mistake people getting into pc gaming make, you will gain absolutely 0 more performance by spending another £80 on a mobo unless you want to sli, or want the very best components to extensively overclock (usually the only people that do this are people who desperately work to get the highest score in the latest 3dmark.

so id save the money from the mobo and cooler and buy a 64gb ssd to run windows on.

btw you never said what RAM you were looking at.

any ddr3 1600+ would be good. 8 gigs is perfect.

I have always bought EVGA's Nvidia cards. And before that it was 3dfx which is Nvidia if I remember right. Nvidia seems to always have decent mid-range cards with easy driver support.

roulettethedog

no matter what wattage of psu it still needs enough amps on the 12v rail. ive seen 500w psus that could never power a good gpu because they dont have enough on the 12v. the details for this should be on the psu itself. i have no idea what antenna thing your talking about. maybe if you could take a picture or find one..

are you sure that your card and psu are directly connected inside the case with the pcie power cables?

You may want to edit your post. I've heard that mentioning said site can get you banned...superclocked