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#1 shawty1984
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You have a console that is upscaling from 720p to 1080p. So it's stretching the image to twice its size, you can imagine how ugly that would look. ocstew


It's upscaling, not stretching. Two totally different things.

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#2 shawty1984
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Hi everyone. I've been caught up in the 720p/1080 trap. I have a Samsung 19" tv which can only go up to 1080i. Having seen that most ps3 games are 720p, I was wondering whether to change the tv settings to 720p. Any advice? Thanks

H_M_1



What model number is it? Most (read, all now) 720p (768p) TV's can not actually 'do'1080i. For a TV to be able to do 1080i, it needs to have a resolution of 1920 x 1080. You probably have a 720p/768p TV which can not do 1080i, all it does is accept a 1080i image and downscale it to the sets native resolution.

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#3 shawty1984
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Yes you will, stick with what you got, also the new Mortal Kombat is in 1080p.ultimameteora


Is it, you sure?

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#4 shawty1984
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I'm no tv wiz lol, but yeh there would be a difference. They say that 1080p is most noticeable on over 32" tvs, which I assume you have. I say keep it man, your lucky, I'm playing ps3 on a 19" Samsung.H_M_1


1080p is the same at 22" as it is at 100", it all depends on viewing distance in relation to screen size, not just screen size alone.

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#5 shawty1984
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if you're only playing console games you wont notice a difference because they all only play at 720 anyway. TheMistique


No they don't.

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#6 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

You do know having a Sony TV has nothing to do with having a PS3 right? (Except that XMB thing which not many use.) Getting a Panasonic plasma or even a 3D projector would've been the same. Compatability would've been the same.

I think I remember your thread about picking up that TV actually :lol:

ChubbyGuy40

my point wasto save cash and get a better model , didnt say he should get a sony tv cause other are incompatible ;) and yeah i remeber you too in that thread

Saving up and waiting really is the best option.

@Shawty. I actually had an answer for your last response but closed it before hitting submit on accident. Instead, I'll give you some parts of what I typed.

If he really wants to know the ins and outs, what works and what doesn't, I'll tell him everything I can. I responded with info on what I though he'd be using it for, mainly video games and Blu-Rays considering what website we're at.

Sony and Microsoft could be going towards cloud gaming, that was the point of not knowing what way consoles will go. OnLive has terrible quality at 720p, and won't be fixed/viable until every subscriber has fiber optic connection speeds. Forward doesn't have to improve power, it could improve simplicity, among other things, and cloud streaming would definitely benefit those companies. No piracy and no one to hack their precious consoles.

Sorry I don't keep up-to-date with smartphones. Not sure who would even play those videos on their TV anyway. I understand what some may not do, others might actually do, but again I aimed my response towards what I thought he'd be mainly using this for.

Why buy a 3D with glasses used 1080p display when polarized is being pushed now that its viable in the home? DisplayPort will soon be on TVs which can do 3D even at the resolution of those 30" monitors that cost an arm and a leg. Not to mention glasses-less is right around the corner too. Then we also have OLED displays that'll be here in a few years, and maybe even 4K2K resolution displays if we're lucky. Home theater receivers are already getting scaling chips put into them for 4k2k support. Onkyo's new lineup that just released has these chips. Future-proofing is a ridiculous concept. If he really wants a 3DTV, get the cheapest one you can find with the best value because there are betting displays with much better tech comming out soon.

He didn't have to get that TV. Its called a suggestion. He could've asked which would've been the best to get and I would've told him the ST30 (If he was sitting close enough for 1080p that is.) There's no need to get so worked up over a suggestion.



With all due respect, I don't (read -can't be bothered) to have a debate with you over this, it's boring. I simply pointed out on how little you seem to know on the basis of your posts you make, in here and other threads while still trying to give advice. Without trying to big myself up (or act like an idiot) I have already shown how much back tracking you had to do with the quotes you come out with. You're assuming things that you don't know and then going on to give advice on the things you have just assumed when all you really need to do is ask. It really winds me up when people come out with advice with wrong information such as you did.

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#7 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

LG 42PW350 (Not 1080p but unless you game on PC or watch blu-rays, nothing is. 3DTVs are limited to 720p 3D anyway)

ChubbyGuy40



Cable TV is 1080i, which takes advantage of 1920 x 1080 screens. Camcorders are 1080p, phones are 1080p, Xbox 360 and PS3 can both output at 1080p natively for games. PC software can be 1080p with videos also being 1080p. So why you keep saying just Blu-rays and PC games is beyond me, especially considering the 'futore' were more things are likely to be in 1080p. Also since when have 3DTV's been limited to 720p? There are plenty of 3DTV's that are 1080p with also 3D source material also being 1080p too. If I was you, I would lay back of the advice until you understand what you are actually talking about.

No really, what phones are 1080p video, or even have a camera good enough for that kind of quality? Theres very little console games that can do 1080p. About 4 main titles that are very old and no one even plays, then theres the few PSN/XBLA games that do 1080p. Do you really need 1080p for Asteroids though?

We don't even know what direction future consoles are going in, or when they will have 1080p games for that matter. We also don't even know how far the TV is sitting to make 1080p worth it.

3DTVs can only display 1080p Blu-Ray in 3D. You can't do 3D 1080p games with any 3DTV besides Mitsubishis but those usethe older and inferior3D format. Only with Nvidia 3D Vision monitors can you get 1080p 3D outside of Blu-Ray material. Theres not a single 3DTV can has dual-link DVI/HDMI(And you're telling me to lay back on advice until I know what I'm talking about.)



Yes I am, because you don't know what you are talking about as can be seen from this reply. Not the fact that your facts are wrong in this reply, just that you are now back tracking majorly.

If I was you I would go back and read your post before your last one and then read the last one again, lets see shall we.

From

"3DTVs are limited to 720p 3D anyway"

To

"3DTVs can only display 1080p Blu-Ray in 3D"

And from

"Not 1080p but unless you game on PC or watch blu-rays, nothing is"

To

"Theres very little console games that can do 1080p"

I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You can't just suddenly decide to move your goal posts just to suit your own arguments. If you are going to give advice, then please, for other peoples sake, give the CORRECT advice. Not something you think they want to hear or what you want to tell them.

For what it's worth to answer some points. You said only PC games and Blu-ray are 1080p, I proved you wrong. I don't care how many games there is on the Xbox 360 and PS3 that are 1080p, there is still some out there, you failed to mention this by saying only Blu-ray and PC games are 1080p. Also, the Samsung Galaxy S2 phone has 1080p video recording and that is out tomorrow in the UK. The LG optimus 2x phonealso has 1080p video recording and that is already out. As far as I'm aware, there is also other phones with 1080p video recorinf already out.

I know we don't know the way the games are going to advance. But the logical answer is the games are going to move forward. The tech that will be in the PS4 next Xbox, while no doubt will be very high tech should be enough to run games in native 1080p, just like the PC can now, or even higher. So one might want to buy a higher resolution TV in order to future proof as much as they can.

And for the last point which just basically makes your advice look silly. Yes we don't know what the viewing distance is. So why on Earth are you giving advice and posting links to TV's with different resolutions? Remember, I wasn't the one giving the advice out, I was just correcting what you were saying.

So all in all. Yes, I really do think you don't know what you are talking about. That can be seen from the last two posts alone, never mind the other topics we have had on the same subjects were I always seem to have to correct you on what you are saying.

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#8 shawty1984
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LG 42PW350 (Not 1080p but unless you game on PC or watch blu-rays, nothing is. 3DTVs are limited to 720p 3D anyway)

ChubbyGuy40



Cable TV is 1080i, which takes advantage of 1920 x 1080 screens. Camcorders are 1080p, phones are 1080p, Xbox 360 and PS3 can both output at 1080p natively for games. PC software can be 1080p with videos also being 1080p. So why you keep saying just Blu-rays and PC games is beyond me, especially considering the 'futore' were more things are likely to be in 1080p. Also since when have 3DTV's been limited to 720p? There are plenty of 3DTV's that are 1080p with also 3D source material also being 1080p too. If I was you, I would lay back of the advice until you understand what you are actually talking about.

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#9 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Its a 720p TV. Modern TVs can accept higher signals, such as 1080i and 1080p and downscale them to your TV's native resolution. Otherwise, the 720p signal is being upscaled to whatever the actual native resolution is. For some reason 720p TVs never have an actual 720p pixel count. Its always something slightly above that.

Really doesn't matter what setting you have it at.

ChubbyGuy40



We have been through this (haven't we?)

ALL 720p TV's have a 720 pixel count. If it doesn't then it is not a 720p TV, regardless of what the advertisers say. A 1366 x 768 screen is not 720p and will never be 720p, it is 768p. Calling it 720p is wrong.

Uh, I know that. I'm going by the marketing term. I really haven't seen a single TV that had a true 1280x720 pixel count. They've all been below 720p, or the 1366x768.



I can't understand why you would keep saying it when it is wrong. If a TV has a 1366 x 768 resolution, call it what it is which is 768p, not 720p regardless of how they are advertised/marketed. It just spreads more misinformation.

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#10 shawty1984
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Its a 720p TV. Modern TVs can accept higher signals, such as 1080i and 1080p and downscale them to your TV's native resolution. Otherwise, the 720p signal is being upscaled to whatever the actual native resolution is. For some reason 720p TVs never have an actual 720p pixel count. Its always something slightly above that.

Really doesn't matter what setting you have it at.

ChubbyGuy40



We have been through this (haven't we?)

ALL 720p TV's have a 720 pixel count. If it doesn't then it is not a 720p TV, regardless of what the advertisers say. A 1366 x 768 screen is not 720p and will never be 720p, it is 768p. Calling it 720p is wrong.