[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="Taiko88"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

notconspiracy

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

Go on...

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

if you want something that provides supporting evidence to the bible than look at some of my other posts

once again, please stop shifting the goal post

Ya seriously stop changing the subject. We answer one question. You ignore the answer and ask a different question. At the end of the day when we answer your next question youll just ignore it and move on.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][quote="notconspiracy"] I am saying that your only objection to the historicity of Jesus christ are nothing more than "that evidence does not convince me". That is an argument from personal incredulity. swizz-the-gamer

Premise: There is evidence that is best explained by the resurrection

conclusion: the resurrection probably happened.

also, if it is POSSIBLE that the supernatural exists, then it is possible that the resurrection happened.

Oh and by the way if instead of claiming divinity he claimed he was a magic rat master and a magic cave rat brought him back to life you would not believe it.

first off, we have the 1 Corinthians 15 creed, which paul quotes in 1 Corinthians 15. a creed is a confession of faith. This creed however dates to only 2-5 years after the life of Jesus. Having data this close to the events is not friendly to the legend theory

second, if everything about the life of Jesus was fake, then why would the apostles be willing to be martyred for it?

third, do you have any evidence that the Gospels and epistles were faked?

The bible is true the bible states that Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.

So yes I believe its true

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][quote="notconspiracy"] I am saying that your only objection to the historicity of Jesus christ are nothing more than "that evidence does not convince me". That is an argument from personal incredulity. notconspiracy

Premise: There is evidence that is best explained by the resurrection

conclusion: the resurrection probably happened.

also, if it is POSSIBLE that the supernatural exists, then it is possible that the resurrection happened.

Oh and by the way if instead of claiming divinity he claimed he was a magic rat master and a magic cave rat brought him back to life you would not believe it.

first off, we have the 1 Corinthians 15 creed, which paul quotes in 1 Corinthians 15. a creed is a confession of faith. This creed however dates to only 2-5 years after the life of Jesus. Having data this close to the events is not friendly to the legend theory

second, if everything about the life of Jesus was fake, then why would the apostles be willing to be martyred for it?

third, do you have any evidence that the Gospels and epistles were faked?

Thank you this is exactly what im trying to explain:)

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="Taiko88"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

swizz-the-gamer

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

Go on...

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

if you want something that provides supporting evidence to the bible than look at some of my other posts

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="Taiko88"][QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

swizz-the-gamer

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

Go on...

For starters Carbon 14 has a existence of 11,000 years.

Scientists can test the age of things by testing how much Carbon 14 is on there.

Objects that evolutionists claim to be millions of years old have carbon 14 integrated into them.

Thats just one of the simpler things that disproves evolution

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I was being sarcastic. Nothing will ever make me believe in God.
swizz-the-gamer

you should not waste your time debating with him. The bible says not to through pearls before swine

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

There is evidence to support Christianity. Enough for me. If you want to reject that thats fine with me.

However this evidence is based on historical writings and facts. Many people do not trust these that is why it cannot be proven.

All of the God breathed scripture is really old some choose not to trust it but that will ultimately be there downfall.

Here is another person who does not want to believe. Your argument is that the evidence does not convince you. That is your problem not mine.

[QUOTE="Samwel_X"]

Give me proof he isn't.

I'm not religious, but you can argue either way.

Taiko88

Well religion is the one trying to impose on us that it exists, therefore they should try to prove to us that it exists, not the other way around. So for anyone using that justification of "Give me proof he isn't", makes no sense.

hey next time why dont you attack someone who is still in this discussion

Anyways evolution is what needs to be proven. I through out facts and evidence. You know what happens? You guys say its not convincing enough. Then you turn around and say there is no proof.

Evolution is the one that has evidence that contradicts it.

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

There is evidence to support Christianity. Enough for me. If you want to reject that thats fine with me.

However this evidence is based on historical writings and facts. Many people do not trust these that is why it cannot be proven.

All of the God breathed scripture is really old some choose not to trust it but that will ultimately be there downfall.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

Oh jeez. Not another one of these. Ok, just to clear a few things up...

...it is physically impossible to prove something supernatural DOESN'T exist. It just cannot be done. Ever. How do you prove a god doesn't exist? By NOT finding it? Can you not see that that makes ZERO sense?

Seriously, I wish the theists would stop plugging this ridiculous line; it's a logical fallacy that needs to be laid to rest. It is simply NOT a valid rebuttal.

Please, please, please...if one thing is to change around here, when someone asks you to prove your religion, stop just shifting the burden of proof like that. That is NOT how proving something works. You have to prove the positive assertion, not disprove its negative counterpart.

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

Not being able to prove something doesn't exist is not evidence that it does exist, not in the absolute slightest for the reason given above. If you want to play that plainly ridiculous game, then why don't you theists disprove Krishna, or Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Oh wait, you can't. So why don't you believe in them as well, huh?

And the end of the day, NO religion can EVER be said to be "the truth" on this very simple basis. They are all POSSIBILITIES at the very best and, no matter which one you have chosen -- or been told to choose -- they are all just as likely AND unlikely as each other. No matter how much you believe; no matter how much "faith" you have.

That's right...Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam and all the rest...they're all on the same footing so far as credibility is concerned. Like it or lump it, that the cold, harsh reality of the situation.

luke1889

If I could draw your attention back to this post I made, would you mind commenting on it please? It has received too little attention thus far.

Did you read my post about facts about the bible.

The bible is different than other religions because unlike islam it is not written by one man.

The greek myths are not based on anything at all just someones imagination.

We also know the bible is true because of all the old testament prophecies it has fufilled. Religions like Judiasm seem to ignore that and only study the torah: Genesis Exodus Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy

Other religions like hinduism and such are based on the teachings of a man where Judiasm and Christianity differ.