[QUOTE="xhellcatx"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you. jointed
Yes. I have stopped to think about that. And then I just didnt continue afterwards (at least on the subject) The painful truth is that they really dont know whats best for themselves.....thats why they keep KILLING eachother! We are trying to stop them from doing that. And you know, I even mentally explored the possibility of them thinking we were trying to make it a gated commuinity exactly like the Nazis did to the Jews....but the thing is...we arent stealing things from them, and we are only killing the insurgents who are killing them as well. We let them have their needs...and we are just trying to protect them. And if i lived there...id appriciate the wall, and appriciate the soldiers who were dying to keep me alive.
You're too naive....
You can find thousands of videos on the net where you see soldiers throwing grenades after caddle or shooting on civilian cars....
We don't know the real reason behind the Iraqi war, and we probably never will
If you can find thousands of videos of soldiers doing that crap, no wonder the Iraqis hate us, and it just goes to show how sadistic our military is: they love to hurt the weak.
[QUOTE="sped_ed"] Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you. xhellcatx
Yes. I have stopped to think about that. And then I just didnt continue afterwards (at least on the subject) The painful truth is that they really dont know whats best for themselves.....thats why they keep KILLING eachother! We are trying to stop them from doing that. And you know, I even mentally explored the possibility of them thinking we were trying to make it a gated commuinity exactly like the Nazis did to the Jews....but the thing is...we arent stealing things from them, and we are only killing the insurgents who are killing them as well. We let them have their needs...and we are just trying to protect them. And if i lived there...id appriciate the wall, and appriciate the soldiers who were dying to keep me alive.
What makes you think you know what's best for them, are you somehow morrally supierior? I think not. If we are doing such a great thing why do so many Iraqis, who actually have to live in that mess, want us gone? Half the reason the insurgency is there is to fight off the U.S. invasion. This will never end untill we get out, which I doubt will happen anytime soon. I doubt you would be thankful, if you where an Iraqi, that a foriegn army came in set up and police state and controlled every aspect of your life.
[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]It's going to get vetoed, and I feel bad for the Iraqi people if that becomes a reality.xhellcatx
The Iraqis have a standing army of over 200,000 now, thats a larger army then the majority of the countries out there.. If they can not stabalize the nation with that amount of troops, then guess what? It will never be stabalize but will most likely break into 3 different countries.
its not near 200,000 and even if it was, numbers mean nothing when you are fighting an unconventional war, where you cant tell who the enemies are and where they are. The Iraqi military still has some time to go and they still require alot of training. 200,000 is not a lot for a country of that size, we need to secure those borders because that is where most of the insurgents are coming from. *tackle hugs spartan then brushes off* HELLO! Ok..now that thats outa the way, When do you THINK a good timeline for pulling out would be though? Do you think we will have accomplished enough by 2009 or 10? Just curious on your thoughts.. Well hello, I really dont know what would be a good time to start withdrawing troops, certainly giving a timetable is just giving terrorists a time and date of when to attack, i believe it could take another year it all depends on the progress we make. assuming the next president doesn't pull our troops out i say we will need to have a large presence there until mid 2008. From there we could start withdrawing troops and maintain a more secure Iraq. But im no expert, i think all of America should listen to the president because he is being told what to do by the generals and they have far more knowledge of how to deal with this than any of us do. We listen to the generals that are giving us plans for victory, not retired generals from Vietnam. Yea the plan the president has right now really has potential. I just wish that the Iraqis would start stepping up to the plate more...and instead of protesting things we are trying to do, realize that its for their own good, and that its not permanent (like this whole wall thing). It wasnt intended to be permanent but just to attempt to lower the friction between the two communities for a little bit. They arent seeing it that way apparently though :?
Did you ever stop to think that Iraqis know what's best for themselves? You'd probably be protesting if a foriegn army invaded your country; even if they knew what was best for you.
"they have talked about doing that forever since the 1st gulf war, and it will never happen and if it did we would all be screwed I think "
Well, splitting it up into three independent nations will create MANY MANY more problems than it solves.....
jointed
And how do you know this? Staying in Iraq is absurd idea, going there in the first place was retarted. We haven't done the Iraqis any favors and most of them don't want us there, so why stay? It's hard to believe but most Iraqis perfered living under a dictator than the crap that's going on now.
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