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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.Tolwan

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.

Yes, and that has nothing to do with hunter-gatherer societys.

Without government, there would have been nothing else. Government has been essential for the progression of the human race because without it there is little to instigate widespread harmony at all.

Is that what you where taught in government school? Government is just a big contradiction. Government doesn't bring harmony, governments start wars and kill thousands of innocent people, is that harmony?

Wow, you really like to throw blanket statements out there and make everything black and white. Just because governments have wars and kill thousands make them bad? Millions would die on a daily basis without government.

How so? Government doesn't stop people from killing each other.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.

Yes, and that has nothing to do with hunter-gatherer societys.

Without government, there would have been nothing else. Government has been essential for the progression of the human race because without it there is little to instigate widespread harmony at all.

Is that what you where taught in government school? Government is just a big contradiction. Government doesn't bring harmony, governments start wars and kill thousands of innocent people, is that harmony?
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.

Yes, and that has nothing to do with hunter-gatherer societys.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.

Excellent. I agree. A hunter gatherer society was far advanced to the ones currently in place.

I don't know what you're agreeing with.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...quiglythegreat
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.

Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people.

No you're not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnex
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.
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#8 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.yoshi-lnex

One question, simply why?

Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.

And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.

That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.

How does an economic system stop people from having opinions? Last time I checked, in a properly built socialism or communism, you do not get money if you are not willing to work.

If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.

It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.

Um, i think you mis read. I said the lefties want oto control your money. Those on the right want to control your mind.
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....quiglythegreat
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....

Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.

Why would one idle person destroy the system? There are millions in ours, and it somehow operates anyway.

Do you live under communism?
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...delol
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

no government means anarchy

It sure does but wouldn't it be wonderful?