[QUOTE="strikeagain"][QUOTE="the-creeper"]

No apollo didnt killed any of those 3 cyclops.The 3 cyclops and the  hundred hands after the war with the titans zeus  gave them the responsibility to  guard tartarus and  also make them assistants to hephaistous work.

By the way orion was a giant and he was normal not a monster like the other children of poseidon.

For the sake of example to my claim that there is almost always multiple tellings of the same stories...

Ex: Look at the stories of origin for most any creature/god/hero.  Hephaestus has a few alternate telling to his few stories.

Apollo did kill them in one telling.  The myths sometimes contridict each other you'll find.  Do not think it is all dealt in absolutes.  It really doesn't take much research to notice this.

 

Orion is a PERFECT example of my point...Wiki

~You see..by some accounts he isn't even a son of Poseidon..isn't that something?  Greek Mythology..gotta love it despite the difficulties presented by conflicting tales..discussion can be difficult if one of the participants doesn't realize there is more then a few versions of their favorite tale

 

Yes agreed those others versions of mythology is probably , how other ppl saw some parts of mythology and translated with their own way thats something nature not all ppl have the same opinion about some part of mythology some says  this is wrong some others says thats true its also how you understand something.

A bit problematic for simply discussions don't you agree?..A subject that has debatable versions of the Myths.  Comes with the territory I suppose.

Now for the apollon that killed the original cyclops as you said ill will do a little search and ill write again.

Something to do with Zeus killing some guy Apollo liked.  Apollo lashed out about it but clearly wasn't going to attack Zeus himself.

the-creeper

i dont think problematic is the  absolutly the right word i think  challenging and interesting are better as words to describe this dont you think?

In a more optimisitic view then my own, yes.  If both sides (speakers in this case) are willing to hear out the other and research the claims they put forth fairly..then yes, more can be taken from such a conversation then a meere agreement of shared 'facts'.

~One can't help but wonder...how are we to include a fair amount of the Heroes, Beasts and Gods remaining into the PSP and PS3 GoW titles to in a sense.."wrap things up" neatly?  I can see the PS3 title being strained heavily with all the gods and titans running around..would it be up to the PSP title to cover some of the heroes and beasts we've yet to see?  If this were the case I'd expect the last of the HUGE beasts and most prolific heroes to appear in the PS3 title.  That would at least seem sensible to me

That will be quite difficult to warp things up between psp title and gow3 but there are many monsters in greek mythology so im not worrying so much about that.

You know im still wondering why they put kraken that i dont think this beast belongs to greek mythology and they didnt put the scylla or harivdi or the cancer (a giant crab that was servant o hera) or even the  sea moster that perseus petrefied with the gorgon's head.

No apollo didnt killed any of those 3 cyclops.The 3 cyclops and the  hundred hands after the war with the titans zeus  gave them the responsibility to  guard tartarus and  also make them assistants to hephaistous work.

By the way orion was a giant and he was normal not a monster like the other children of poseidon.

For the sake of example to my claim that there is almost always multiple tellings of the same stories...

Ex: Look at the stories of origin for most any creature/god/hero.  Hephaestus has a few alternate telling to his few stories.

Apollo did kill them in one telling.  The myths sometimes contridict each other you'll find.  Do not think it is all dealt in absolutes.  It really doesn't take much research to notice this.

 

Orion is a PERFECT example of my point...Wiki

~You see..by some accounts he isn't even a son of Poseidon..isn't that something?  Greek Mythology..gotta love it despite the difficulties presented by conflicting tales..discussion can be difficult if one of the participants doesn't realize there is more then a few versions of their favorite tale

 

Yes agreed those others versions of mythology is probably , how other ppl saw some parts of mythology and translated with their own way thats something nature not all ppl have the same opinion about some part of mythology some says  this is wrong some others says thats true its also how you understand something.

A bit problematic for simply discussions don't you agree?..A subject that has debatable versions of the Myths.  Comes with the territory I suppose.

Now for the apollon that killed the original cyclops as you said ill will do a little search and ill write again.

Something to do with Zeus killing some guy Apollo liked.  Apollo lashed out about it but clearly wasn't going to attack Zeus himself.

the-creeper

i dont think problematic is the  absolutly the right word i think  challenging and interesting are better as words to describe this dont you think?

[QUOTE="the-creeper"][QUOTE="strikeagain"][QUOTE="the-creeper"]

[QUOTE="Alucard_rules"]Am I the only one who is still confused about what Atlas said?  About Kratos being the one who put him in his torment, and having met before?  I also still think that Apollo would make a decent back-up narrator/truth-teller, since he was a very virtuous god, and was the god of prophecy.  True, he may have been pretty loyal to his father, Zeus, but I still would trust his word over anyone's but Athena's.

The history of Atlas and Kratos was only established in GoWII..we'll have to learn more of it later.  Apollo wasn't quite so virtuous from what I've seen of him..tricking his sister into killing Orion...murdering the 3 original Cyclops (who made the weapon's used by Zeus, Hades and Poseidon in the Titanomachy) out of spite for Zeus, flaying a Satyr who lost to him in a competition...Apollo is a faithful son to Zeus..who just wants his recognition...he will remain our enemy.  Something abotu Gaia allows her to tell the story of Kratos from a future we know nothing of..this is all reflection on the past to her.  You are right to trust Athena more..sadly she doesn't have much say in matters anymore.  I must admit..I was surprised that they actually included Helios over Apollo in the cutscenes (even though Helios IS what the Colossus was modeled after..his city..Rhodes).  Apollo is a more powerful god by the accounts I've heard...When I first saw concept art of Hermes I mistoke him for being Apollo..I will also admit that I hate Apollo.  I've recently learned to respect Hermes although I'm still not a big fan of him.  Athena however is the only goddess I like.  I despise Aphrodite..Zeus is okay..Hades is more interesting..Poseidon bores me.. Ares was fun but got pwned regularly it seemed.  By and large the children of gods are more interesting characters...most of the time anyway.

strikeagain

Unfortunately artemis was very vengeful goddess, she had killed ppl for low quality reasons. Althought she  killed some cyclops but not the originals(im talking for the 3 cyclops that had a part during the war with the titans) those cyclops were immortals and far very powerful artemis couldnt killed them and even zeus worried about their power. 

Yeah, well Apollo killed them wrongly in spite of Zeus by taking his thunderbolts for the job.  Artemis and her brother lack discipline.  Like many Olympians they lack a moral center an unreasonable amount of the time they spent in Myths.

The cyclops she killed were poseidon's sons(poseidon cyclops was mortals and very stupids) she also killed some other poseidon's sons for example the 2 giant brothers (fear and nightmare their names) because they had a part  with the during another war with the giants and as for Orion he  was also a son of poseidon he was very skilled  hunter and  they had a little time with artemis  because both had love for the hunt and because he challenge artemis for a run(the badest move he could even done) artemis put a scorpion to bite him while he was sleeping.

Peseidon's children were all freaks.  ALL of them.  One can only wonder what it would have been like if Hades had children with ANY women.  I can't help but notice another case of "Greek Myths often have mutliple tellings".  Don't you just LOVE it?

No apollo didnt killed any of those 3 cyclops.The 3 cyclops and the  hundred hands after the war with the titans zeus  gave them the responsibility to  guard tartarus and  also make them assistants to hephaistous work.

By the way orion was a giant and he was normal not a monster like the other children of poseidon.

For the sake of example to my claim that there is almost always multiple tellings of the same stories...

Ex: Look at the stories of origin for most any creature/god/hero.  Hephaestus has a few alternate telling to his few stories.

Apollo did kill them in one telling.  The myths sometimes contridict each other you'll find.  Do not think it is all dealt in absolutes.  It really doesn't take much research to notice this.

Orion is a PERFECT example of my point...Wiki

~You see..by some accounts he isn't even a son of Poseidon..isn't that something?  Greek Mythology..gotta love it despite the difficulties presented by conflicting tales..discussion can be difficult if one of the participants doesn't realize there is more then a few versions of their favorite tale

Yes agreed those others versions of mythology is probably , how other ppl saw some parts of mythology and translated with their own way thats something nature not all ppl have the same opinion about some part of mythology some says  this is wrong some others says thats true its also how you understand something.

 Now for the apollon that killed the original cyclops as you said ill will do a little search and ill write again.

[QUOTE="strikeagain"][QUOTE="the-creeper"]

[QUOTE="Alucard_rules"]Am I the only one who is still confused about what Atlas said?  About Kratos being the one who put him in his torment, and having met before?  I also still think that Apollo would make a decent back-up narrator/truth-teller, since he was a very virtuous god, and was the god of prophecy.  True, he may have been pretty loyal to his father, Zeus, but I still would trust his word over anyone's but Athena's.
the-creeper

The history of Atlas and Kratos was only established in GoWII..we'll have to learn more of it later.  Apollo wasn't quite so virtuous from what I've seen of him..tricking his sister into killing Orion...murdering the 3 original Cyclops (who made the weapon's used by Zeus, Hades and Poseidon in the Titanomachy) out of spite for Zeus, flaying a Satyr who lost to him in a competition...Apollo is a faithful son to Zeus..who just wants his recognition...he will remain our enemy.  Something abotu Gaia allows her to tell the story of Kratos from a future we know nothing of..this is all reflection on the past to her.  You are right to trust Athena more..sadly she doesn't have much say in matters anymore.  I must admit..I was surprised that they actually included Helios over Apollo in the cutscenes (even though Helios IS what the Colossus was modeled after..his city..Rhodes).  Apollo is a more powerful god by the accounts I've heard...When I first saw concept art of Hermes I mistoke him for being Apollo..I will also admit that I hate Apollo.  I've recently learned to respect Hermes although I'm still not a big fan of him.  Athena however is the only goddess I like.  I despise Aphrodite..Zeus is okay..Hades is more interesting..Poseidon bores me.. Ares was fun but got pwned regularly it seemed.  By and large the children of gods are more interesting characters...most of the time anyway.

Unfortunately artemis was very vengeful goddess, she had killed ppl for low quality reasons. Althought she  killed some cyclops but not the originals(im talking for the 3 cyclops that had a part during the war with the titans) those cyclops were immortals and far very powerful artemis couldnt killed them and even zeus worried about their power. 

Yeah, well Apollo killed them wrongly in spite of Zeus by taking his thunderbolts for the job.  Artemis and her brother lack discipline.  Like many Olympians they lack a moral center an unreasonable amount of the time they spent in Myths.

The cyclops she killed were poseidon's sons(poseidon cyclops was mortals and very stupids) she also killed some other poseidon's sons for example the 2 giant brothers (fear and nightmare their names) because they had a part  with the during another war with the giants and as for Orion he  was also a son of poseidon he was very skilled  hunter and  they had a little time with artemis  because both had love for the hunt and because he challenge artemis for a run(the badest move he could even done) artemis put a scorpion to bite him while he was sleeping.

Peseidon's children were all freaks.  ALL of them.  One can only wonder what it would have been like if Hades had children with ANY women.  I can't help but notice another case of "Greek Myths often have mutliple tellings".  Don't you just LOVE it?

No apollo didnt killed any of those 3 cyclops.The 3 cyclops and the  hundred hands after the war with the titans zeus  gave them the responsibility to  guard tartarus and  also make them assistants to hephaistous work.

By the way orion was a giant and he was normal not a monster like the other children of poseidon.

[QUOTE="Alucard_rules"]Am I the only one who is still confused about what Atlas said?  About Kratos being the one who put him in his torment, and having met before?  I also still think that Apollo would make a decent back-up narrator/truth-teller, since he was a very virtuous god, and was the god of prophecy.  True, he may have been pretty loyal to his father, Zeus, but I still would trust his word over anyone's but Athena's.
the-creeper

The history of Atlas and Kratos was only established in GoWII..we'll have to learn more of it later.  Apollo wasn't quite so virtuous from what I've seen of him..tricking his sister into killing Orion...murdering the 3 original Cyclops (who made the weapon's used by Zeus, Hades and Poseidon in the Titanomachy) out of spite for Zeus, flaying a Satyr who lost to him in a competition...Apollo is a faithful son to Zeus..who just wants his recognition...he will remain our enemy.  Something abotu Gaia allows her to tell the story of Kratos from a future we know nothing of..this is all reflection on the past to her.  You are right to trust Athena more..sadly she doesn't have much say in matters anymore.  I must admit..I was surprised that they actually included Helios over Apollo in the cutscenes (even though Helios IS what the Colossus was modeled after..his city..Rhodes).  Apollo is a more powerful god by the accounts I've heard...When I first saw concept art of Hermes I mistoke him for being Apollo..I will also admit that I hate Apollo.  I've recently learned to respect Hermes although I'm still not a big fan of him.  Athena however is the only goddess I like.  I despise Aphrodite..Zeus is okay..Hades is more interesting..Poseidon bores me.. Ares was fun but got pwned regularly it seemed.  By and large the children of gods are more interesting characters...most of the time anyway.

Unfortunately artemis was very vengeful goddess, she had killed ppl for low quality reasons. Althought she  killed some cyclops but not the originals(im talking for the 3 cyclops that had a part during the war with the titans) those cyclops were immortals and far very powerful artemis couldnt killed them and even zeus worried  about their power. 

The cyclops she killed were poseidon's sons(poseidon cyclops was mortals and very stupids) she also killed some other poseidon's sons for example the 2 giant brothers (fear and nightmare their names) because they had a part  with the during another war with the giants and as for Orion he  was also a son of poseidon he was very skilled  hunter and  they had a little time with artemis  because both had love for the hunt and because he challenge artemis for a run(the badest move he could even done) artemis put a scorpion to bite him while he was sleeping.

[QUOTE="curlfro"]

HD Mode.

Some of you may have noticed that I've been able to get online everyonce in a while. My grandfather is kind enough to let me use it when I go downstairs (I live with them) to visit, but only shortly. (He works from home on that computer) so I can't really post put I can check my PM's, and make this quick update. I found the video above at GameTrailers, and it's news to me, so I posted it.

Also: I have started the scans (Two whole pages!) but the ad I was planning on starting has been delayed until my old computer gets back. My grandfather doesn't want me downloading anything on the spare. I do have them all converted to MP3 files and it is saved on a memory stick. Also, I will be with my grandmother and my two cousins in New York from Tuesday to Friday, and I will hopefully have my computer back before Monday, and should have the scans done by then.

Also, good job with upholding the union Officers, I'm very proud of you! :D

the-creeper

Does this mean you got my email about promoting Evan?

~It's going to be fun for you when you get back..you've got a lot to catch up on and discuss with us

True you have lost much curlfro we talking about athena and other gods , titans the greek heroes and general about greek mythology. Damn its the most awesome union  and im glad im part of the union guys. 

ps: creeper i saw all the videos with the jaffe ,cory and the other 2 guys talking about greek mythology u know the gods the titans the greek heroes  and for the mythological creatures.

[QUOTE="azad_champ"]Kratos and Athena are practically brother and sister. Both have Zeus as father. Wouldn't it be odd if they had a romance together?the-creeper

In context to Greek Mythology (on incest)..far from it.  In context to Athena having ANY sexual desire for ANYONE..yes it is quite odd.  Zeus' wife Hera..his sister.  Athena is consider to NOT have a mother but she did..she just wasn't born from her..she came from Zeus' head full grown and armored.  They would be half-siblings.  What I would like to know is WHY Kratos?  She clearly didn't feel "empathy" for Ares (Aphrodite sure did..but she is a strange one..not even a real Olympian)

~This whole thing calls for a grand explanation or at least an excellent summary of where they are going with this initially unintended angle..BTW..Ares..product of incest..thus the beard of fire and spider legs with flaming blade tips coming out his back..also the pale skin tone..in fact they all were..Kronos and Rhea were brother and sister..Gaia bore Oranos then had children with him (Kronos and the Titans among others...)  So again no..the incest aspect isn't exactly out of place though it would be highly unusual for such a thing to take place in an American take on Greek Myth.  I suspect the cannibalism taboo is easier to overlook though..since the gods weren't being digested and the Pelops character got dropped.  Taboos are fun for me to discuss...acts of violence being my favorites by far as one would expect from any fan of God of War

NOTE: What would seem like the key word to me in your question is "romance"..THAT is unlikely to happen with Kratos.  He has seeminly lost that aspect of himself with the loss of his wife.  Love is something forgotten.  It is really quite hard to say since there realistically isn't much for me to go on for discussion in this matter (in-depth anyway)

Athena's mother was the titan metis. Something else now you mentioned in  mythology Gaia said that she was her that gave birth to oranos but oranos said that he was from the dept of the universe and as for who is resposible for the dethrone of oranos lets say without analyze it so much that cronos did the bind of gaia's wish.

[QUOTE="InfernoPirate"]~Actually, to tell the truth, I honestly was thinking that today when I beat the game. I was thinking: Maybe they could be using Kratos to explain why there are "no longer" the Olympian Gods, and it did even cross my mind, and I mentioned it to my brother, that maybe he would become the Monotheistic God of the Romans and other later peoples. It's a very interesting thought indeed. I agree about Athena in GoW1, without her Kratos could not have gone as far as he did, but without Athena, there wouldn't have BEEN a GoWII. Now, that sounds like she helped from our point of view, but from Kratos', that really sucks. If she hadn't shrunk, created the colossus, and weakened him, when Zeus tried to do away with him he still would've had full powers of a God, which he didn't need anyway to kill Zeus. As always, you make very valid points, but also as always, I stand by my statements. the-creeper

Kratos..father of Jesus?  I wonder if they dare go down that route..it would be lollerific if Kratos' picture was used in place of the other "God" avatars for the "God article" at EncyclopediaDramatica.  I think that would effectively destroy Dante VS Kratos discussions when they concern each at their prime...

Athena HAD to do something but she refused to kill us.   It was Zeus who tricked us into using the Blade and becoming mortal.  She cannot be blamed for what Zeus would have done anyway.  Back when we were working towards our goal of getting rid of our nightmares..it was not Athena would had say over whether or not Kratos nighmares could be removed..it was the enitre pantheon who was against such a move.  She only had their graces for forgiving his "sins". (funny choice of words amirite?)  It was also her choice (as far as we know) to make him a god.  Which just put him in the place he needed to be in order to do what he was doing..systematically destroying everything.  It would seem that Athena's "love" (I will call it that because I know of nothing else that could be called "more then empathy") for Kratos allowed him to live on and take a seat with the power he needed to destroy everything. (lashing out against existance for tormenting him)

~Kratos would have been killed by Zeus one way or another *then returned to kill Zeus just as he did this time*...Athena just wanted to bring peace between the gods...her intentions as always were good..but she (like always) believes there is GOOD (reason) in Kratos..Jaffe described him as an "animal".. You can be as noble as you want..be a hero...the animal..the Beast that is Kratos will kill you..as sure as you were born, you will die.

NOTE: Since Kratos came back in time to stop Zeus from finishing his past self..he has stopped the destruction of his Spartan Army AND Sparta itself..how will this factor in I wonder..

Back to what we were discussing..would you be oppossed if we learned more of Athena..specifically speaking, her feelings/relationship with Kratos..This reminds me...InfernoPirate..you've heard Secret Message 1 have you not?  The one with the Soul of War hidden in Kratos' God Chambers (with a view of Ares' soul being tortured)..do you think this message will ever factor or like the rest of the glimpses into future titles we've had...simply not turn up..or turn up as they were.  The only one that happened (hugely changed) was the Zeus' Arc..Kratos being the son of Zeus but without Kratos having to kill his mother to find out.  So many avenues to travel..and we have such a LONG wait ahead of us for the PS3 sequel proprer..I'll be keeping my eye on the PSP title just because I want to see where things are going like the rest of TUGOWU

Im starting to think if gaia tricked Zeus to go against kratos and then she aid kratos  against Zeus(common double backstab).

Yes i think Athena is the best person to tell kratos about the Golden Era of the Titans and about the  Great War.

~Nobody likes the cliffhanger ending BECAUSE it was a cliffhanger ending. The ending was awesome, but it left you very angry.InfernoPirate

Athena's death left me with anger ,surprice and sorrow.

They both were.

 Nice find, I already saw part one a week ago and part 2 came out on monday, I think, but I wasn't home so I couldn't see it. Thanks for reminding me.

Soulxxx

Thx for answering  soulxxx.