Games are heavily reliant on the GPU, most even half decent CPU's will give acceptable framerate in the vast majority of games.

The PHII 955 paired with a HD6950 is a much more capable gaming machine than a 2500k with a HD6770, the problem isn't that they use a 2500k but the problem is that the HD6770 is a midend card.

When giving a rough estimate of the gaming capability the GPU's is the biggest facto, the 2500k is a really great CPU otherwice it's actually in the top 5 of the best performing desktop CPU's ever made.

30% rumor is disappointing. We were seeing double performance increase annually b4 the HD 6xxx/GTX 5xx series came out with the same nm production process due to fab problems.covertgamer78

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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"] Exactly. Got mine for $12 during the Thanksgiving sales. Well worth the small price. blaznwiipspman1

The reccomended price of 212+ is however ~$30, the macho is only $10 more @ $40 but performs in a higher class along with the Noctua D14 and it's likes witch retail roughly twice the money.

This cooler is in another price, but it's in another class too. This is always the case however, many folk own a 212+ and thinks it's the best product in the world, I have build a few builds with the 212+ but honestly for only $10 more I don't see the reason to go with the 212+ anymore.

212+ isn't even comparable to the macho with pushpull conf. fans according to my own testing, and the noise from the stock 212+ fan is absolutely horrid when running full blast, the macho is as in the charts one of the most silent HSF you can buy.

As of now I will reccomend the macho over the 212+ by multiple reason.

1) Performs better.

2) Very Silent.

3) Better than the simpler H2O solutions as the Antec 620, H60/H50.

4) Great performance per buck!

I agree, no reason to get a 212+ if the temp difference between that and the stock HSF is only 10 degrees. If you`re going to bother getting a aftermarket HSF at all, at least make sure it does the job properly or just stick with the stock stuff.

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the 212+ has never been the best air cooler. Its a heatsink that does really well and cost really cheap. I bought mine for 20 dollars off newegg at the time. For that price, it does extremely extremely well. It fits in most mid tower cases, gives ability to push pull really without busting the bank, and provides something for almost all sockets out.

tequilasunriser

The reccomended price of 212+ is however ~$30, the macho is only $10 more @ $40 but performs in a higher class along with the Noctua D14 and it's likes witch retail roughly twice the money.

This cooler is in another price, but it's in another class too. This is always the case however, many folk own a 212+ and thinks it's the best product in the world, I have build a few builds with the 212+ but honestly for only $10 more I don't see the reason to go with the 212+ anymore.

212+ isn't even comparable to the macho with pushpull conf. fans according to my own testing, and the noise from the stock 212+ fan is absolutely horrid when running full blast, the macho is as in the charts one of the most silent HSF you can buy.

As of now I will reccomend the macho over the 212+ by multiple reason.

1) Performs better.

2) Very Silent.

3) Better than the simpler H2O solutions as the Antec 620, H60/H50.

4) Great performance per buck!

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I doubt it'll replace the 212+, since not many people will be able to fit one.

Also (in UK) it's twice the price of the 212+.

kraken2109

That is impressive!

Performance this cooler is just about as good aircoolers get, someone getting only a 2c difference don't know what they're doing.

Manage to outbeat the corsair closed liquid loop H50/H60 and the antech closed liquid loop 620, have you folks ever seen a 212+ do that? :P

Have a look at that, It manage to beat the corsair H60 with 5celcius ! , and it manage to get better results than the Antec Khûler 620!

And this is even more so impressive, this is where its outstanding, the fan is dead silent!

I doubt it'll replace the 212+, since not many people will be able to fit one.

Also (in UK) it's twice the price of the 212+.

kraken2109

This thread reeks of AMD fanboyism.

broken_bass_bin

One who buy a less capable product just because of the name or brand is a fanboy, thats the simple explanation.

I agre to a point with TC's first post, in many cases a AMD card is a better buy than one from Nvidia, the strongest reason might be the foul play Nvidia often try to run, like cutting out physX on your Nvidia card is you have it paired with a AMD card.

Controlling the licence for motherboards capable to SLI, now they actually alow the 990x chipset to run SLI but it has been a LOOOOONG time since AMD could lauch boards with SLI.

Relations with gamedevs. in some cases cripple AMD's option with AA and such.

J.H.H's incredible bully style, he talks about other companies as they're stupid from time to time.

But even what I think of Nvidia as a company they actually bring out some products with great performance at a great price, currently I am running a gtx460 and it have been a plesant companion with amazing price/performance when oc'ed well beond 900Mhz on the core.

AMD and Nvidia are need'ed both, without either they will both halt their reserch and make better GPU's.

IF AMD and Nvidia have two products that are comparable I would choose the AMD one, but if the Nvidia has the slightest edge I take that any day of the week.