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#1 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Yes, I see your flawless logic now. First person legitimately loves something; second person doesn't, finds thing boring, unimportant, assumes first person can only love it to express undeserved importance, calls first person pretentious. Yeah, in this case it is the first person who is clearly in the wrong. :roll:

your avatar has been bugging me. is that from the double life of veronique?
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#2 theSteeeeels
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i think critics put to much emphasis on the social/film making movements a film produces, instead of actually judging the film in itself and what it does for them personally. it's why so often old films are on these lists, because theyve been given decades to lie there and have its messages used and techniques inspired from, which then deems it an 'important' film. Citizen kane a is perfect example, so often i hear of what its done for cinema.... but as a film by itself it sucks, quite frankly, and is very out dated.
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#3 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]^ Check the poll. Do you thinbk that people here thought it sucked? Being cliche isn't necessarily a bad thing. How you use those cliches defines if your story will be worth it or not, and Nolan used his cliches really well.

apparently not! tell me, do you think the examples in my post where handled well?

The movie didn't suck. It was a fine movie. But everything you said was correct, and that's what brought it down. The writing was all over the place, there were a fair few moments which were just dumb and thoughtless, and the whole thing was just kind of a mess, albeit not so much to make it unenjoyable because the direction is so good and we're invested in it from the previous two movies. It could have done with a script re-write. I'm surprised they read that script and didn't take a cleaver to it to make it way less convoluted and all over the place.

i think they just wanted this film as viewer-friendly as possible, seeing as its the trilogy. they didnt want to make a good movie, just one full of cliches that are used in every blockbuster.... which is enough to satisfy your casual viewer there were things like this in TDK, though nowhere close to the scale of this film...e.g. the kid at the end, the boat sequence, a guard standing INSIDE a cell with the joker.... there were some stupid things in that film but nowhere near as bad at this one.... TDKR was full of crappy stuff.... i'd give TDK 7/10 and TDKR 3/10
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#4 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Again, other methods? He didn't have access to all his gadgets, as I just mentioned above. He doesn't use guns. Fighting Bane one on one isn't far fetched or an issue, it works in the story, for what he had to do, and for the character. Unless you've never seen another film in your life, this is nothing new.

its nothing new. non eof the cliches used were anything new. thats the point. why are people so in love with this movie when this crap has been done to death for years now in every average popcorn flick

Because every single movie ever made, every story ever told, is just a 'collection of cliches.' Did you like The King's Speech? Welp, too bad, it's a typical underdog/mentor story. Liked Incredibly Loud/Extremely Close? Why, it was just your average 'wayward child finds way after tragey strikes family.' Or hey, what about Slumdog Millionaire, did you like that? It is literally a collection of one cliche being marched after the next, from start to end. Every story that can be told has been told. At this point, it isn't about the story- every movie has cliches. At this point, it's about how the cliches are utilized, how the story is told. With an attitude such as yours, you must find it very hard to enjoy movies in general.

from those i have only seen Slumdog... and yes that was full of cliches you are correct though, it is about how they are handled. but DKR handled them like every other movie... trying to force your emotions (cheesy one liners... that girls dying speech)..... trying to make twists which are actually soooo predictable (bomb not going off, batman making the jump, cat woman coming back). pathetic and no, i enjoy a lot of movies. im a big movie fan. but i like movies which treat its viewers with intelligence, this is your run of the average cinema flick but somehow is getting a world of praise... its pathetic.
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#5 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] ...he can do both at the same time, because defeating Bane meant saving Gotham (at the time he had no idea about Talia).

yes, but getting into a fist fight is 100 riskier than any other method.

Again, other methods? He didn't have access to all his gadgets, as I just mentioned above. He doesn't use guns. Fighting Bane one on one isn't far fetched or an issue, it works in the story, for what he had to do, and for the character. Unless you've never seen another film in your life, this is nothing new.

its nothing new. non eof the cliches used were anything new. thats the point. why are people so in love with this movie when this crap has been done to death for years now in every average popcorn flick
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#6 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]It isn't the first nor the last film to have character's do things for the sake of their progression. Bane's biggest advantage was his strength and the one thing that held Batman/Wayne back throughout the film was his age and physical weakness. After already being beaten to hell once by Bane, trying to use gadgets and failing, in order for him to truly 'beat' Bane was with a 'round 2' or sorts, to show he could take on Bane one on one, and to overcome where he once failed. Not very hard to accept really. Not to mention, one way to defeat Bane (without killing him which Batman tries to avoid) is to go for the mask, and how lame would it have been for him to sit back and try hitting him in the face with something? Makes no sense for him to do that. He had to get close to hit it.SaintLeonidas

so basically batman wans to overcome his own shortcomings first, and save the city from nuclear explosion second

...he can do both at the same time, because defeating Bane meant saving Gotham (at the time he had no idea about Talia).

yes, but getting into a fist fight is 100 riskier than any other method.
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#7 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Batma won't use a gun. It's simple, he will never use a gun. [spoiler] As for using gadgets, he tried earlier. When it was clear that he couldn't defeat Bane in a fistfight, he did try using his gadgets. They didn't work.

no, he will never kill. he can still use something to harm and paralyse his oppenent (e.g. a shot to the leg) and didnt he use ONE gadget? like some little smoke bombs thing? (i genuinely cant remember).... batmans got a billions of dollars worth of gadgets.... even use a damn net or something.... anything but your damn fists!?!?!!![/SPOILERS]

He tried a few. He tried using smoke bombs, then he tried disabling all the lights. None of them worked. As for paralyzing his opponent, he tried that too. He tried breaking Bane's mask, the only way he could- by getting up close and punching it. Shooting at it from a distance with that many cops and Bane's thugs in the way would have been fatal, he would never have managed to hit him at all in that mess.

so batman, the dude with specially made bike and batplanes and superhuman suits gives up on gadgets after failing with a smoke bomb and a thing that turns off lights lol..... that is such bad writing.... they just wanted to have batman fight someone because they know if they made anything logical at all then batman would just use his plane to pick him and fly him away or something and there'd be no mellow dramatic 'good guy-bad guy' closure..... that is so poor
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#8 theSteeeeels
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It isn't the first nor the last film to have character's do things for the sake of their progression. Bane's biggest advantage was his strength and the one thing that held Batman/Wayne back throughout the film was his age and physical weakness. After already being beaten to hell once by Bane, trying to use gadgets and failing, in order for him to truly 'beat' Bane was with a 'round 2' or sorts, to show he could take on Bane one on one, and to overcome where he once failed. Not very hard to accept really. Not to mention, one way to defeat Bane (without killing him which Batman tries to avoid) is to go for the mask, and how lame would it have been for him to sit back and try hitting him in the face with something? Makes no sense for him to do that. He had to get close to hit it.SaintLeonidas
so basically batman wans to overcome his own shortcomings first, and save the city from nuclear explosion second

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#9 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]I much preferred Batman going up against him with no gadgets. He did try to use them once in the sewer and they did little to nothing to deter Bane. Plus it is important for the characters to defeat Bane physically, one on one.charizard1605
important how? to flatter batmans ego to know he can beat up bane? or important that its completely pointless and risky whilst a nuclear bomb is close to blowing the whole city up? pick up a damn gun or something batman. so stupid.

Batma won't use a gun. It's simple, he will never use a gun. [spoiler] As for using gadgets, he tried earlier. When it was clear that he couldn't defeat Bane in a fistfight, he did try using his gadgets. They didn't work.

no, he will never kill. he can still use something to harm and paralyse his oppenent (e.g. a shot to the leg) and didnt he use ONE gadget? like some little smoke bombs thing? (i genuinely cant remember).... batmans got a billions of dollars worth of gadgets.... even use a damn net or something.... anything but your damn fists!?!?!!![/SPOILERS]
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#10 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]^ Check the poll. Do you thinbk that people here thought it sucked? Being cliche isn't necessarily a bad thing. How you use those cliches defines if your story will be worth it or not, and Nolan used his cliches really well.

apparently not! tell me, do you think the examples in my post where handled well?

Yes, I think they were handled well and serviced the story. One thing I disliked strongly, however, was how fast all the injuries were treated. [spoiler] Bruce's back was broken... and he was up and about in four months. Gordon was in a hospital bed, with IVs. And the next minute, he's karate chopping thugs. [/spoiler]

how? - 40 minutes wasted with batman in the prison. you knew he was going to make the jump. there was zero suspense. the rocky montage was laughable - cat woman showing up at the exact time to save his life and kill the baddy.... how was that good? - the woman telling the entire plan before pressing the button... then missing out by 1 second.... these damn crappy story cliches were so badly handled and so damn obvious.... if it was any other movie people would be saying how crap they were [spoiler] the film was littered with little stupid things like this which would take too long for me to cover e.g. a random ass cop knowing who batman was because of a look.... when the rest of the world had no idea.... LOL [/spoiler]