[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Characters weren't flat? You mean you found the Marine commander to be a well rounded character with unlikeable traits but with a element of humanity all the same?majoras_wrath
no, he pretty much captures the xenophobic elements of humanity rather accurately.
Exactly. He was a caricature. Nothing more, nothing less. And guess what most caricatures are? Flat.
To use an example of a well made and rounded villain: Daniel Plainview from There Will Be Blood is an evil, evil man. He plots constantly, and is guilty of at least two murders. He represents the american tendency towards greed. At the same time, however, you can see he is human. He adopts an orphan and loves him in his own crude way, doing the best that he can. That makes him human, and that makes him interesting.
He wasn't a caricature. Even still, most caricatures? They are not flat. Not to use what you said or anything, but isn't the evil villain with a heart of gold also cliche?
[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Frankly, cliche means exactly that. The characters were flat and cliche and the plot was predictable and cliche. In other words, not executed well, and not all that entertaining. Unless you find pretty things worth staring at for 3 hours, in which case I suggest buying a lava lamp. Nope, the characters weren't flat and the plot was not cliche. In other words, it was executed well, and all that entertaining. Unless you find all things cliche, in which case I suggest becoming a movie reviewer. Characters weren't flat? You mean you found the Marine commander to be a well rounded character with unlikeable traits but with a element of humanity all the same? To me, he seemed like the average bad guy with nothing relatable about him--therefore boring. To me, he represented the element of conflict between the closed mind and the open mind, the established way of doing this and the curiosity to seek new things. And that's just a fraction of what he meant to me.
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Pfft, you're lying. Stop lying liar. I obviously made it up. I'm just that awesome. 8) What! Plagiarism! Copyright violation! Trademark appropriation! Pfft, fine, you can take it. I already came up with an even betterer one. From now on, I am going to say... Two Hundred and One Oh. You can keep your pathetic "Two Oh One Oh". I don't even want it anyways. Hmph. But wouldn't it be Two Thousand and One Oh? Thousand is so much harder to pronounce than Hundred. Well, you can use Two Oh One Oh all you want. I'm not even sure if anyone said it before me, but that would have been probable.
But doesn't cliche imply unoriginality and thus dictates that poor execution, on at least one significant plane of the work, has happened? Of course, the visuals were astounding but the story was cliche and, in the case of Avatar at least, one can consider excellent visuals as adequate compensation for narrative shortcomings but its entirely on a case-by-case basis that creates a wide variety of subjective opinions which usually pigeonholes material into the dreaded "love-it-or-hate-it" category.
THE_DRUGGIE
Well, it wasn't cliche in the first place. Most aspects were largely original.
The testosterone-fueled, explosion-obsessed marine archetype (Aliens); the impression (for me, at least) that the aliens looked like anthropomorphic cats a'la Thundercate (but painted blue); The "man opposed to group but then learns acceptance" plot line via medical procedure turning him into one of them (mostly like Black Like Me) all seemed a little bit derivative.
I don't know how to say this, but isn't this kind of reaching?
Just because a movie is 'cliche' doesn't mean its not executed well or entertaining.
THE_DRUGGIE
But doesn't cliche imply unoriginality and thus dictates that poor execution, on at least one significant plane of the work, has happened? Of course, the visuals were astounding but the story was cliche and, in the case of Avatar at least, one can consider excellent visuals as adequate compensation for narrative shortcomings but its entirely on a case-by-case basis that creates a wide variety of subjective opinions which usually pigeonholes material into the dreaded "love-it-or-hate-it" category.
Just because a movie is 'cliche' doesn't mean its not executed well or entertaining.
majoras_wrath
Frankly, cliche means exactly that. The characters were flat and cliche and the plot was predictable and cliche. In other words, not executed well, and not all that entertaining. Unless you find pretty things worth staring at for 3 hours, in which case I suggest buying a lava lamp. Nope, the characters weren't flat and the plot was not cliche. In other words, it was executed well, and all that entertaining. Unless you find all things cliche, in which case I suggest becoming a movie reviewer.
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