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#1 unholymight
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]everything is complex => god must've done it. people said Jesus did miracles => he's divine

basically this is what I heard. I know you're probably doing this to help us out; but you're not...I've heard these arguments before and I don't consider it evidence. :( thank you for trying, though; I know you meant well.

Help us out? Who is "us"?
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

The universe has not always existed.Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

The universe operates by uniform laws of nature.Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature thatneverchange? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.

Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."This is God, in action.

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.

Of course...if you don't have an open mind then you'll just find reasons to be skeptical..and "explain" these things way..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Biological complexity of organisms is explained by evolution, there is no reason to assume water needed a creator, there is no reason that creation and love are related.

I like how you pick one thing out of that...explain how water came to be then..

We're not sure how water came to be. But that doesn't definitely mean it was created by a God.
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We can neither definitively prove nor disprove God's existence.

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Depends on your definition of "to prove", doesn't it?
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The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

The universe has not always existed.Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

The universe operates by uniform laws of nature.Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature thatneverchange? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.

Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."This is God, in action.

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.

Of course...if you don't have an open mind then you'll just find reasons to be skeptical..and "explain" these things way..

Xx_Hopeless_xX
Biological complexity of organisms is explained by evolution, there is no reason to assume water needed a creator, there is no reason that creation and love are related.
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Was it ... a Falcon Punch?
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Ask her why she's so angry.
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[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Because most people dont have any understanding about computers. They think just because something looks nice means its better. Apple hardware is actually WAYYYYY behind PC hardware. The newest GPU they have is a integrated nvidia Geforce 120GT. its rly sad. they charge 3k for a mac pro with only one of those. apple needs to die. that fact that they have integrated dual booting at an average consumer level shows how desperate they are to beat M$. Their OS doesnt even have full 64bit support. It uses the UNIX kernel, but has stripped away 90% of the features seen in most Linux OS's. It has locked proper OpenGl support, restricts user custimization (hardware wise), they claim macs are the only computers capable of dualbooting (which is not true, i have triple boot on my PC, OSX, Linux, and Windows 7), and they say they cant get viruses which is bull. macs have viruses, but the reason windows has more is because 95% of people use windows based systes. hackers have a larger target audience. the number of viruses available on windows shows its superiority in the market. My least favorite rumor is that macs are better for visual editing. this is not true. macs have inferior hardware and graphics API than windows. in graphic editing that is all that matters. Some may say that both windows and macs use OpenGL, and as true as this may be macs have most OpenGl features locked by default, and users must apply a number of exploits to unlock it. Even if OSX had full openGL support by default the hardware is still inferior and cannot compete with PC based systems. last time i checked apple almost went bankrupt and it was M$ who loaned them money to get back on their feet. There has also been some rumors that on the same day M$ bought out 12% of apple as part of the deal.

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I'm going to go with this. Also,

http://thefuturebuzz.com/pics/viral%20images%20part%202/17mac%20vs%20pc.jpg

Look at all those wires :shock:

Yeah, my Porsche engine has a lot of pipes in it when you open the front lid, but a rusty bicycle has none. I'm guessing you would rather have the rusty bicycle?

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Reminds me of the HDMI cables scam. ie. selling $5 cables for $150, sure it's outrageous but you gotta hand it to the people managing to do it.

Where can I find them for $5? Give me a source, and I'll open a HDMI cable store selling for the premium discount price of $144.99.
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Because most people dont have any understanding about computers. They think just because something looks nice means its better. Apple hardware is actually WAYYYYY behind PC hardware. The newest GPU they have is a integrated nvidia Geforce 120GT. its rly sad. they charge 3k for a mac pro with only one of those. apple needs to die. that fact that they have integrated dual booting at an average consumer level shows how desperate they are to beat M$. Their OS doesnt even have full 64bit support. It uses the UNIX kernel, but has stripped away 90% of the features seen in most Linux OS's. It has locked proper OpenGl support, restricts user custimization (hardware wise), they claim macs are the only computers capable of dualbooting (which is not true, i have triple boot on my PC, OSX, Linux, and Windows 7), and they say they cant get viruses which is bull. macs have viruses, but the reason windows has more is because 95% of people use windows based systes. hackers have a larger target audience. the number of viruses available on windows shows its superiority in the market. My least favorite rumor is that macs are better for visual editing. this is not true. macs have inferior hardware and graphics API than windows. in graphic editing that is all that matters. Some may say that both windows and macs use OpenGL, and as true as this may be macs have most OpenGl features locked by default, and users must apply a number of exploits to unlock it. Even if OSX had full openGL support by default the hardware is still inferior and cannot compete with PC based systems. last time i checked apple almost went bankrupt and it was M$ who loaned them money to get back on their feet. There has also been some rumors that on the same day M$ bought out 12% of apple as part of the deal.

painguy1

I'm going to go with this. Also,

http://thefuturebuzz.com/pics/viral%20images%20part%202/17mac%20vs%20pc.jpg

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All those are chocolate or candy products. An hero, too.