[QUOTE="liamstep"]who?ab1205

i know some words

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bakla

haha who taught you that. my mom is fillipino, but I only know a little bit.

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[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

smarb001

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force,he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy?Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

you know what you are doing? you are trying to stick YOUR beliefs down his throat. While i'm an atheist, i respect his scenario because it discounts all that religous crap that most people believe, such as miracles, heaven and the like.

Heaven=happinessHell=depression makes a lot more sense that most of the stories in the bible, and personally i think i sorta live my his example, trying to be kind to everyone around me, getting pleasure from making people feel good. some people are so trusting in the bible, they do not realise that it speaks in metaphors, and is not meant to be taken litterally. and btw, someone said that the OP was suggesting that jesus lied... so what? omg jesus lied. its not like hes god's son or anything, he had the right to speak whatever he wanted to say, and is he lied to spread his message of hope and love then who can blame him? ive read somewhere that the whole apocalypse story was actually a big metaphor for the oppression of the christians by the romans, that the big monster was actually the emperor, and the the battle of apocalypse is just that, a battle that was predicted to take place between the christians and the romans. It was meant to spread hope, which is exactly my point.

oh and about the quoted post above me, the last few sentences give away your true intentions. "I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong." Notice how he said that. Hes subtly saying that hes right, and that the OP is wrong, and that he should "pray for guidance" :roll:

anyways, good work OP, i loved your post, i understand where your coming from, and i think you've hit it on the head with your description of god. as i say, im an atheist, but you just might've convinced me to join your special segment of christianity, simply because it teaches not religious nonsense, but the way to succeed in life.

The poster was not sticking his beliefs down his throat,Jesus told us inthe Bible that we should try to help people come to God, because God wants us to be in true happiness with him. God told us in the Bible that our mission in life was to glorify and praise God and help others know this. He simply said that the person should have been told the real facts, then at least he could consider them.

"oh and about the quoted post above me, the last few sentences give away your true intentions. "I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong." Notice how he said that. Hes subtly saying that hes right, and that the OP is wrong, and that he should "pray for guidance" :roll: "

here, you show how important it seems to all humans that we must be right and everyone else should be wrong. But we as humans are weak and our sight is limited, every one of us. We cannot see that God can see, that is why we must have faith in God and his word.

As for your last part about the apocalypse story being the Roman oppression of the Christians, I don't know where you heard that, and I'm not too smart on that.