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#1 Whistle_Blower
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@nyadc said:
@SolidTy said:

Almost the entire thread is filled so far with this sentiment I quoted above. My post about Forza Horizon isn't some rogue notion. It only will bother fanboys.

I guess if people have dissenting opinions you think they are out to ruin your life or videogames. Nope.

You need to lighten up and not attack users with off topic ad hominems.

The entire thread is filled with cows and people who don't play these games and haven't even touched the second one with the exception of magicalclick, you're really reaching right now.

It's basically a bunch of people criticizing something they don't care about in the first place, that's supposed to be some kind of ammunition lol? Irrelevant people and cows?

Come on you have to admit it's pretty fcking ridiculous of M$...this would be the 4th release in the franchise when the console has only been out for almost 3 years. that's pretty fucking ridiculous, and it reinforces that HALOFORZAGEARS complaint people keep talking about. Dear Microsoft, make something different. Geez!

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@misterpmedia said:

Bit too early for a thread?

I think it's the perfect time. It is a week away.

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@MBirdy88 said:
@whistle_blower said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@Douevenlift_bro said:

Launch with a shitty weak UGLY AS SIN console, with DRM, a stupid expensive peripheral and focus on Television...YES, YES they deserve it all and more.

This is rubbish... "focus on TV" ... not just a focus on "all in one tv device" which is NOT a bad goal to have... afterall, a smart tv cannot play games. a console that does it all is the only option in this case (ofcourse, thats not to say a remote and a console is any worse in reality) ... no reason why the device shouldn't push for more.

Also, are people forgetting that Sony admitted they were going to go the same route until they saw the backlash? Sony are not Pro-consumor .... they just lucked the f*ck out and have better brand penetartion in EU/Asia .

That being said, I'm disappointed with the latest XB1 u.i .. is this suppose to be the windows 10 conversion? its friggin fugly.

Meanwhile sony focus on western shooters (the friggin irony) have a far worse OS with far less features... and generally no other worthwhile market features or eco system... and still worse servers.

But what's done, is done. Sony's first party isn't doing so well outside of a demon-souls series exclusive.... which is practically just a bought in game... which MS would be demonized for doing... *cough* tomb raider *cough*.

Both these companies are sh*t stains.... but at least Microsoft serve a wider purpose. I couldn't care if something replaced sony... other than them being in Japan, thus bringing SOME japanese games... they offer nothing unique that couldn't be done elsewhere, if not better.

I'm sorry but I disagree with you on the part about sony "lucked the **** out"

How much shit and backlash and warnings of bankrupcy did they get last gen? Despite all of that they didn't give up and kept trying out new IPs. TLOU, WKC, HR, B2S, LBP, Lair, UC, Modnation, Haze, Infamous, Resistance, Warhawk, Starhawk...those were all new Ips/huge risks...not all of them succeeded but at least they tried. MS tried with Alan Wake and Lost Odyssey and maybe Banjo, and those games quickly vanished and were never heard from again, and then Xbox fans were trolled with HALOGEARSFORZA for almost a decade. So, no Sony did not luck out. They started over.. They learned from what went wrong with the PS4. They listened to Gamers. They allowed developers to develop a console that will enable them to give gamers what they want. They literally left it all up to the market and said, tell us what you want. They worked hand in hand with devs and they listened. They learned from their mistakes, M$' mistakes, and Nintendo's mistakes, all while MS were being greedy, cocky monopolists and Nintendo was still vampiring off nostalgic gamers. So, sorry but I completely disagree with the part about Luck. It all adds up, and referencing the DRM and outrageous announcements of 2013, no one appears to be surprised.

Pfft you are largely over playing that list... and mis-using the words "Huge risk". But still, ofcourse they have learned, they had to. But that doesn't change the underlying fact, that they are money grubbing assholes, that just survived (e.g LUCKED OUT) by going 2nd in the reveal events ... resulting in time to change their plan to look better than the competition despite WANTING to do the EXACT same thing. and going back on something as big as mandatory PS+.... while still not being able to provide a service as good as XBOX LIVE to justify said FORCED expenses.

Price point (again another go 2nd advantage to NOT force PS Camera after XB1 reveal was another LUCK OUT situation).

Where are all the creative IPs now? don't say bloodborne... what a joke. thats a new "I.P" in the same sense as renaming Mario to friggin Giovanni .... and they have the gaul to say "Bloodborne was a major risk" ... oh yea... because a well established franchise clone such a big risk!

Don't get me wrong, im not club xbox . but the PS4 has been nothing but a disappointment... this console generation is ass.

Come on, you're clearly reaching. If sony had carried over huge successful PS2 franchises and just focused on those, they would have had it made with the PS3. If they had just released SOCOM,GOW, and Gran Tourismo every year and then constantly advertised multiplats like AC, CoD, NFS, and more in ways that suggested they were PS3 exclusives, they also would've gotten away with it. M$ continued to insult the intelligence of gamers and got away with it for almost a decade until people finally said enough. Also, aside from the fact that MS shot themselves in the foot, Sony on their own part alone did their homework and they learned and created a solid gaming system, so yes we're still waiting for games but I'd rather wait than be forced to play GEARSHALOFORZA again and again for another decade. How quickly was TFall forgotten after its release? AC and CoD sales are plumeting and the only taste of salvation M$ has had in a while is Halo5. What does that tell you? How many times were they warned last gen? How many times did people point out the fact that they're constantly making the same games and milking the same brodude/casual gamers demographic? How many times did people warn that this will eventually happen? The answer is a lot. You have an entire console and an entire decade dedicated to releasing the same damn games every time throughout last gen. It shouldn't have been called the Xbox 360. It should've been called the HALOFORZAGEARS BOX. Also, how are you saying sony is moneygrubbing? When the 360 first came out how many external components did gamers had to buy just to use it? People were paying extra for ethernet adapters and batteries, and also XBL, while the PS3 was struggling to establish itself, MS saw the poor state the PS3 was in and figured they could do whatever the hell they wanted and get away with it, so they took the wallets of gamers and milked them for all they're worth. You don't get to call Sony moneygrubbers. There's a reason people abbreviate microsoft with M$. Compared to M$ Sony were definitely not moneygrubbers. MS turned the gaming industry, something that was for a core audience, and monopolized it, cheapened it, and demoralized it. Bungie left for a reason. They were absolutely wreckless and don't deserve to be in gaming. How many times was this XB1/PC crossplatform predicted? How many times were xbox fans warned even in other forums that I used to parttake in that MS will eventually bring all XB exclusive to PC, which means PCfans and xbox fans will become merged and Xbox fans won't have any exlvuisves. You've seen how PC gamers are, they will deny Xbox fans and hang them out to dry. Microsoft only cares about money and they're blatant about it. If it's not going to sell or if it involves any risk, it's just not going to happen with them. Sony, on the other hand, dug deep, and continued to try despite when they failed with Lair, and with many other games. You don't get to call them money grubbers. Like I said, people reveal their true colors when things are really good and when things are really bad. Sony maintained humility both when things were bad and when they became good. Microsoft on the other hand, were greedy and negligent.

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@MBirdy88 said:
@Douevenlift_bro said:

Launch with a shitty weak UGLY AS SIN console, with DRM, a stupid expensive peripheral and focus on Television...YES, YES they deserve it all and more.

This is rubbish... "focus on TV" ... not just a focus on "all in one tv device" which is NOT a bad goal to have... afterall, a smart tv cannot play games. a console that does it all is the only option in this case (ofcourse, thats not to say a remote and a console is any worse in reality) ... no reason why the device shouldn't push for more.

Also, are people forgetting that Sony admitted they were going to go the same route until they saw the backlash? Sony are not Pro-consumor .... they just lucked the f*ck out and have better brand penetartion in EU/Asia .

That being said, I'm disappointed with the latest XB1 u.i .. is this suppose to be the windows 10 conversion? its friggin fugly.

Meanwhile sony focus on western shooters (the friggin irony) have a far worse OS with far less features... and generally no other worthwhile market features or eco system... and still worse servers.

But what's done, is done. Sony's first party isn't doing so well outside of a demon-souls series exclusive.... which is practically just a bought in game... which MS would be demonized for doing... *cough* tomb raider *cough*.

Both these companies are sh*t stains.... but at least Microsoft serve a wider purpose. I couldn't care if something replaced sony... other than them being in Japan, thus bringing SOME japanese games... they offer nothing unique that couldn't be done elsewhere, if not better.

I'm sorry but I disagree with you on the part about sony "lucked the **** out"

How much shit and backlash and warnings of bankrupcy did they get last gen? Despite all of that they didn't give up and kept trying out new IPs. TLOU, WKC, HR, B2S, LBP, Lair, UC, Modnation, Haze, Infamous, Resistance, Warhawk, Starhawk...those were all new Ips/huge risks...not all of them succeeded but at least they tried. MS tried with Alan Wake and Lost Odyssey and maybe Banjo, and those games quickly vanished and were never heard from again, and then Xbox fans were trolled with HALOGEARSFORZA for almost a decade. So, no Sony did not luck out. They started over.. They learned from what went wrong with the PS4. They listened to Gamers. They allowed developers to develop a console that will enable them to give gamers what they want. They literally left it all up to the market and said, tell us what you want. They worked hand in hand with devs and they listened. They learned from their mistakes, M$' mistakes, and Nintendo's mistakes, all while MS were being greedy, cocky monopolists and Nintendo was still vampiring off nostalgic gamers. So, sorry but I completely disagree with the part about Luck. It all adds up, and referencing the DRM and outrageous announcements of 2013, no one appears to be surprised.

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It's funny we were just dicsussing this in the other thread. Another Forza game. Yippee.

Who needs to invest in new IPs to bring new games to the platform?

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@Shewgenja said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@nyadc said:

They deserved it, in the past-tense, however people need to let go of the past and realize the console itself and the people who are heading it now are going a completely different direction, a great direction which has made the Xbox One a really good console.

This console doesn't even have a stigma anymore, I think it's just people's unwillingness to let go of things long since past and in general most are expressing over-dramatics.

100% correct.

100% wrong. They're still coasting on HaloForzaGears because they didn't even give themselves breathing room when they were in the driver's seat last gen. The single greatest thing Sony did with the PS1 and PS2 was investing heavily in exclusives. MS is now having to do what they've been needing to do for two generations by experimenting with new IP. It's a slow and reactionary way to run a major platform and they are paying dearly for it.

Oh no, don't tell that to Xbox fans. They'll defend it to their death. It's hilarous how much Xbox fanbase from last gen hung M$ out to dry this gen. They made excuses for M$ throughout last gen, and then they weren't there to back M$ up when the XB1 launched. M$ still fails to learn and neither do the fanboys. They didn't shut up about Titan Fall and went on about it forever. Oh look, it's another HaloGearsCod hybrid. What's the point of a new IP if it's the exact same thing as the same games? So, the pattern is never going to stop. Lots of M$ future IPs will be FPSs and Forza games because that's what their fanbase wants. Look how much xbox ones Halo 5 alone sold.

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@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@nyadc said:
@whistle_blower said:

Seems everyone's forgotten about deep down.

Dude.... I was literally just about to post this, vaporware?

Wow, I forgot all about Deep Down, whatever happened to that game?

Yeah, very good question. Crapcom is going to delay the game, build hype and anticipation and then there's a huge let down

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Well, this thread has done a great job relaying how system warriors really feel about Microsoft

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@caryslan2 said:
@notafanboy said:

Microsoft deserves the ass-whopping their getting. Anyone who votes no is a fanboy.

MS doesn't invest in first party, they hire incompetent engineers (Seriously... You hire 5,000 engineers and all of them got bested by a single man?), they started all the bad crap in gaming (Pay2play peer2peer online gaming, paid DLC, etc.) and if they were in the lead they'd probably have pushed even more anti-consumer practices. If MS weren't so stubborn, they'd have removed pay2play online gaming by now, but they're still clinging onto that fantasy that they'll regain their 360 heyday and make bank off gold subscriptions, which SONY has stolen through their own PS+ subscription. Those days are long gone, but MS is too blinded by greed to accept that fact. As long as SONY continues to charge for online play as well, very few people will buy the current Xbox and future Xbox.

MS should just leave the industry so another company can join. Anyone who isn't a fanboy would agree. Bad competition isn't good for the industry. If google joined the industry, you can bet that online gaming would be free on google's console, forcing SONY to do the same.

What does it say about Sony when they suddenly offer paid memberships after two generations of of allowing people to play games for free on the PS2 and PS3 or still push paid DLC despite being the the top company this generation.

Sony could have fixed alot of the mistakes you slam Microsoft for, but they are perfectly happy counting their sacks of money and making third-parties happy who do want paid DLC to be pushed.

Sony is just blinded by greed, and the only reason why they have been successful this generation is because Nintendo and Microsoft both fumbled the football and Sony picked it up and ran with it.

Nintendo came out with a system that had a terrible gimmick and poor marketing, while Microsoft kept shooting themselves in the foot with bad press up to the Xbox One's launch. Pretty much all Sony had to do was not say or do anything to upset their audience, and they would have been successful.

As for Sony being a consumer friendly company, that is a funny joke. Did you forget that this is the same company that charged 500 bucks for a PS3 and then insulted their fanbase by acting arrogant about it? Or their stance against 2D games in the past?

I'm not saying Microsoft is a saint, but Sony is no better. They could have done any number of positive things to

"repair" the damage that Microsoft had supposedly caused, but they are happy sitting on their throne selling online memberships(that were not needed to play online with any previous Playstation console), pushing DLC(including Call of Duty) and buying up exclusives.

In other words, Sony is playing the same game Microsoft did last generation.

In order to even compete remotely with XBL they had to charge. I remember lots of gamers saying they're fine with paying for it as long as its good

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I'd love to see Google enter the console market. But, hopefully they don't come in with too much confidence and think they can do whatever they want ike MS did