VF5 flopped in sales. Less than 50k in the first week? Barely outsold Wii Sports which has been on the charts for 11 weeks now.

VF4 didn't do too well either, but it sold around half million in Japan. VF5 doesn't even look like it's going to come close to 200k in Japan. VF5 spiked the sales of PS3 alright....... roughly 10,000 units more than what it normally sells, just pathetic.

The scary thing is I acutally can't think of more than 5 PS3 games this year that's any bigger than VF5 in Japan. :? Things look really bad for PS3 in Japan, eventhough some retailers already cut the price on their PS3.

Wii beats PS3 by a wide margin with no new game released while PS3 gets a supposedly big game.

When you do terribly bad in either US or Japan, basically you NEED to do amazingly well in just about any other big market to win worldwide.

For example, XBox 360, doing terrible in Japan, almost non-existent. Doing relatively well in US and doing ok in Europe. If things remain the same, does it look like it's going to win the worldwide console race?

It's not a must to win either US or Japan, but if you are almost non-existent in one of these two countries, you basically need to be dominant everywhere else to have a chance to win.

Japan also has a lot of good game developers, usually sales determine how much support you get from them, eventually.

If a console totally bombed in Japan, chances of it being the overall winner is very slim.

Is that the reason why PS2 is STILL beating both PS3 and XBox 360?

I see..... PSP must be klling DS right now...... oh wait........

So far, Wii Sports is the next gen game that people talked about the most on news or tv, isn't it also sad that PS3 and XBox 360 controllers can't handle that game?

PS3 will never catch Wii, unlikely in US and Europe, and not the slightest chance in Japan. Japan is the country where gamers don't care much about graphics, and they don't adore most XBox type of games (PS3 is becoming too much like XBox). Wii has a combination of PS2 type of games, innovation and quirky/funny games that Japanese gamers love. Nothing on the PS3 will appeal that much to Japanese gamers in 2007, not even VF5.

I expect Wii to be very close to XBox 360 worlwide sales by October, trailing by only 1 to 2 million units or less, they are going to be pretty even by that time. Wii does have a chance to pass XBox 360 by year end.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]You keep mentioning how wii doesn't have GTA, and GTA is a huge series. So...? The 360 doesn't have Zelda, which is a huge series, but that doesn't mean the 360 will fail...cakeorrdeath

I agree, and the first one starts with Wii Sports. We might even have a case with Wii Play as the second one. I know a lot of fanboys here don't like Wii Sports a bit, but that's beyond the point. Point is, these weird funny titles from no where play a big part of Nintendo Wii's success. We just won't see anything similar on any other console.

[QUOTE="wiialltheway"]

How come a lot of people here don't have a clue of what's really going on in the industry? How come many people here can't think of games outside of stuff like Madden, Halo, GTA, FF, etc? Sure Nintendo won't be getting many big 360/PS3 titles, but they will be getting other titles that will more than make up for the loss, especially some of their NEW first-party titles.

What ultimately put Nintendo DS over the top? Why is the Wii doing so well?

Nintendo is trying to create something new besides their well known first party games such as Mario, Zelda, etc. In the near future, it's gonna be those NEW innovative games that will put Nintendo over the top just like what happened to DS.

I can make a very good case as to why Wii Sports is the game that has the biggest impact out of all games released so far by 360, PS3 or Wii. If you count the bundled in Wii Sports as games sold, then Wii Sports is the best selling next-gen game so far.

After Nintendo released some of their innovative Wii first party games and after 3rd party devs finally figure out how to make proper Wii games, it's gonna be all over for MS and Sony this gen. The fact is, the way PS3 and XBox 360 are shaping up to be, they don't have the kind of mass appeal that the Wii potentially has, 360/PS3 cater to a smaller audience.

the-very-best

Again, I said "the way PS3 and XBox 360 are shaping up to be, they don't have the kind of mass appeal that the Wii potentially has, 360/PS3 cater to a smaller audience".

Doesn't have anything to do with PS1 or PS2, because clearly, PS3 is something very different from those two, Sony's concept with PS3 is very different from PS1&2.

MS and Sony are working on what's already existed, the exact fanbase, perhaps things are getting too technical and too hardcore for the market to expand.

PS3 is becoming very casual-unfriendly, which is exact the opposite of PS2, just remember that.

How come a lot of people here don't have a clue of what's really going on in the industry? How come many people here can't think of games outside of stuff like Madden, Halo, GTA, FF, etc? Sure Nintendo won't be getting many big 360/PS3 titles, but they will be getting other titles that will more than make up for the loss, especially some of their NEW first-party titles.

What ultimately put Nintendo DS over the top? Why is the Wii doing so well?

Nintendo is trying to create something new besides their well known first party games such as Mario, Zelda, etc. In the near future, it's gonna be those NEW innovative games that will put Nintendo over the top just like what happened to DS.

I can make a very good case as to why Wii Sports is the game that has the biggest impact out of all games released so far by 360, PS3 or Wii. If you count the bundled in Wii Sports as games sold, then Wii Sports is the best selling next-gen game so far.

After Nintendo released some of their innovative Wii first party games and after 3rd party devs finally figure out how to make proper Wii games, it's gonna be all over for MS and Sony this gen. The fact is, the way PS3 and XBox 360 are shaping up to be, they don't have the kind of mass appeal that the Wii potentially has, 360/PS3 cater to a smaller audience.

Well, so Wii has only gotten 2 or 3 good ports. Rayman, DBZ, and possilby COD3. All PS2 ports that came out ok. goblaa

Developers are starting to focus on Wii, soon it's gonna be PS2 seeing some dumbed down Wii ports with no wiimote. :lol:

It WAS Wii getting PS2 ports (some really bad ones from Ubisoft), soon it's gonna be the other way around.

Hear me out on this one. I loved my SNES, but after PS1 and N64 came out, no more SNES games were being made. Even with the much better graphics and enhancement that PS1 and N64 had over SNES, I totally didn't mind to play some SNES quality games, if they were to make any.

With XBox 360 and PS3, developers have no choice but to proceed, with the type of games that MS and Sony expect developers to make. That's where Wii and PS2 come in, they both provide alternatives for developers who don't want to ONLY make high quality (technically and graphically speaking) XBox 360 and PS3 games.

Game industry is in a rather strange position right now, we have DS, a portable game machine with much inferior graphics that totally dominates, also we have PS2, a supposedly last gen machine, that beats XBox 360 and PS3 week after week, month after month.

Do we see this as a problem? Sure, it does look like it's a problem for those who can only enjoy games that have PS3 and XBox 360 quality graphics, but not so much for the other gamers. Perhaps many people feel they are ok with playing PS2 quality games, they don't feel graphical/technical enhancement this gen is as significantly important as the other gens before this one. Maybe we are at the point where from now on, graphically/performance improved systems will feel less significant (doesn't mean they don't make things any better, just not as much as it used to).

Yes, Wii will see many crappy ports, but as long as a game is fun to play and if it uses the wiimote in a good way, I have no problem playing it even if it has PS1 quality graphics. I know some developers will try to push Wii's hardware to the limit, but for the ones who don't, I don't really mind as long as the games are good. An improved and fun PS2 game with good use of wiimote? Sure, I will play that game.

The fact that Wii will become a system that's somewhere between last gen and next gen and different, getting all the games that developers can no longer make on the PS3/360 but still want to make them, I predict that will be one of the main reasons as to why Wii will go down as the winner of this gen.

To become the most popular console, it's not about how advanced your cpu/gpu/whatever are, it's about creating a console that has the right mix of things to be accepted by most people. Wii has the best all around goodies that will cater to most people.

[QUOTE="xBALOx"][QUOTE="chicken008"]Bah! The'll be sold out in minutes..wavebrid

thats why everyday people ask for the wii

Wii still selling for over $300 on eBay. I guess this is evidence there's no demand...... :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D140083448776%26fvi%3D1&item=140083448776&rd=1

I also don't really believe the part where TC sounds like he's sure multiple stores around same area have Wii on shelf for 3 days, I never heard of that.