Hardcore Players React to Destiny: The Dark Below

I love Destiny.

But I'm only getting about 50% out of the game. I don't have 5 people to Raid with :( (I've still not done VoG). I've tried looking in forums etc, but I don't have a mic, and nobody really wants to carry a casual through a Raid at this time.

It's frustrating, 'cos I have plenty of exotics and I'm lvl 29 and etc. But I feel like a big chunk of the game is denied me :(

Why are they still wasting their time with this game? The game was a commercial success, but failed miserably as a game. Move on and let it die.

I think these hardcore players don't realise how hard it is for normal players to reach 31. What normal player was keeping glimmer and hoarding marks to get new gear and upgrade exotics? I'm not even lvl 30 yet and I probably clock 4 hours a week.

The only thing that annoys me is trying to get radiant materials - to upgrade one piece of Crota Gear to the max you'll need around 22 shards. That means about 4-5 run throughs of Crota's End. Too much grind of one element.

Easy fix - make VoG produce radiant materials also.

iv got no idea how to play this! am i missing something?

This will always be a problem in MMOs and games where the focus is around personal progression.

When the hook that keeps your players going is seeing their character grow in power, you have to keep the steady increase in stats going. Not too slow that they lose interest, but not too quickly that players end up hitting the cap too soon and get bored waiting for new content.

This is why you end up with mechanics designed purely as time sinks, to waste the player's time by grinding content they long lost interest in for a piece of gear, only to have it made worthless soon after.

The enduring success of games like Counter-Strike and the Battlefield series have shown that people can and will play games obsessively without the need for a metaphorical treadmill to give the illusion that you're actually achieving something by playing the same raid or multiplayer map 100 times over.

eeeehhh... the whole gear treadmill, "the set you worked hard to get will become worthless by the next release" (and by consequence, all the content previous to that release will be obsolete) mentality that so many MMOs carry is just stupid, and i don't get it. i understand the race to constantly improve yourself, but not if there's no upper limit.

at least my MMO of choice doesn't do that stuff, so i'm good. still, a bit annoying that even a game like destiny would fall to such trappings.

So they are going the MMO route xcompletely and they screwed it allll up. See its the level aspect that ruins it. 31 and 32 for a new raid? Just made the previous raid like they said worthless. Least wow keep everyone 100 but a new set of gear makes running and doing things easier. No story making, player's work trivialized.

I think people are pretty starved for games if they need to play this desperately. it looks like that desperate.

For example, why doesn't this game have a 12v12 multiplayer (at least 12v12. Not like the game is amazing looking or 60fps)? Why isn't there a Horde Mode like multiplayer where your gear matters? Why aren't there Sparrow racing where you can bet items/glimmer? Why are they releasing a pathetic amount of strikes per *expansion* when its essentially recycled story missions/patrol environment with a Boss at the end?


What is their problem? Trying to create the less amount of content possible and charge a premium or what? So much potential and all *******

Very True.

I just want more! There isn't enough, and their needs to be more stuff. "Stuff" as in everything.

Bungie is also trying to appeal to casual/hardcore players. Really, I think they should just make up their mind and pick one, (preferably hardcore, there seems to be more hardcore players rather than casual players in Destiny)

As soon as they get their whole target audience figured out, then they should work on content.

They're moving in the right direction, but for a huge game developing company like Bungie, I feel that they should of been way past these issues.

I like Destiny, but it needs more improvement and content.

Well said. Bungie a bunch of clueless turds. Cluelessness+Activision on your shoulder=we have Destiny.

So much about Destiny doesn't make sense to me. Before the expansion my leveling stopped when I got to 25 or so, not because I wasn't willing to grind, but because there was no match-making for the nightfalls and weeklies.

Speaking as someone whose friends aren't into Destiny or are on other systems, I appreciated the chance to get to 31 through vendor gear, which is what I'm working on now. Since this opens vault of glass to me for the first time, I'm tempted to go through the community to find people to do it with, but now that there's no point unless I'm desperate for a mythoclast, it seems like more trouble than it's worth. Hardcore raiders have had their gear devalued and now that the rest of us are able to attain the necessary level we have no incentive.

Bungie should never have put obstacles like this in the way of players who don't have a ready-made community to go raiding with, it just seems so dumb. I guess they think they're forcing people to build relationships through their game - it's the only explanation I can think of - but I dunno if I can be arsed. I haven't bought the expansion and I'm probably going to pack it in for good now since I'm getting Dragon Age for Christmas. Too many other good games are around to excuse this kind of sloppiness.

I find it annoying that one of the commentators thinks that it's the hardcore players who've gotten the shaft. No, it's the casual players who've gotten the shaft with the whole of Destiny, as so much of the game is hidden behind various walls, much of the higher end content is beyond difficult and delves into the realm of tedium and monotony, and there's far too much repetitious (and lacking) content. It's primarily hardcore players who have and will continue to endure the above kind of nonsense in this game.

Hardcore players can suck it bahahahahahahaha

I still just want my money back :(

A way to keep the raids about sort of forming your own team to stay organised, but also add matchmaking would be if you had a fireteam of 3, you could matchmake so that 2 teams of 3 would be put together. That would be perfect I think

That's what you get for still playing Destiny and wasting money on DLC. Sold it.

What's the music in the background?

The expansion is exactly why I didn't play the raid over and over, because I had a feeling the new gear would make everything obsolete. I finished it 4 or 5 times, and didn't get any of the gear and gave up on it.

People are still playing Destiny?

The fundamental problem with their complaints is that Bungie clearly DOESN'T want everyone to experience the Raids because if they did then they'd implement matchmaking. As it stands I'll never get to experience them because not all of my friends even own the game and even if they did it wouldn't be possible to coordinate schedules to all play at the same time. I like the look and the feel of the game, but other than that you'd think this is Bungie's first time creating a game the way everything else has been so poorly executed.

My main gripe is there is absolutely NO diversity in the missions or strikes. I mean, the dark below was a chance for Bungie to introduce new elements to the game.

How about areas you NEED a specifice weapon (like a sniper rifle) to progress?

Or how about a huge Boss who can only be take down in vehicles?

How about puzzles in the actual missions?

How about adding a new planet instead of recycling 90% of the game world?

How about sections you have to complete in a time limit?

How about missions where you have to protect an emissary or convoy?

How about having to kill enemies in a certain order?

HOW ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN REPETITIVE SHOOTING???? Hell, i could design a destiny mission, just throw a bunch of bad guys in a linear path, shoot them, and then shoot more while the ghost does something. YAY!

I was hoping the dark below would have some cool variety, mine-cart sections, huge bosses, maybe even some more stealth sections in missions - but its just the same crap over again.

The Raid is the best part, why give impressions if you haven't done the best thing by a mile??????? It's like judging a whole movie at the halfway point.

giancarlo, you are so hardcore!

The entire point of Destiny should never be the raid. Not everyone wants to play the game at it's hardest difficulty. I don't mind that aspect of it but I have no desire to play anything that doesn't have matchmaking nor anything where I'm going to have to mash buttons on my controller for 3 to 5 straight hours.

It's time for Bungie to pull their heads out of their asses and start putting some work into all aspects of this game, not just some cut and paste bounties that have you grind for a week for a useless set of gauntlets...I'm looking at you Eris.

Another case in point...look at this months Iron Banner. It serves no purpose at all. Why grind for a couple of pieces of gear that are exactly the same as what the vendors sell except for maybe 67 discipline instead of 66? And the 2 weapons being offered are worse than vendor weapons. Most people are going to be saving glimmer to upgrade all those exotics instead of forking out 11k for junk.

I don't see how this new lazy, slacker Bungie is going to be able to pull this sorry ass game out of it's tailspin. They don't have the talent nor the work ethic. They do just enough to get by and nothing more.

Why are people still supporting this?

I played destiny a TON when it released. September basically had no games and I just played destiny. That grind fest isn't even appealing to me anymore and I'm happy I didn't get the DLC prelaunch. That's ridiculous that you would expect the DLC to monumentally change the game. It's always going to be more of the same.... duh