SPOILING the Ending - BioShock Infinite

Kevin and Caro discuss the epic ending to Bioshock Infinite! They leave nothing unspoiled, so be sure to finish the game first! Then come here to talk about it.

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No wonder they included Bioshock game with infinite. So now i understand infinite ..infinite doors, infinite possibilities.

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@Gamer_4_Fun INFINITE verses of the same story of a person, looking for something and someone tries to stop him and someone dies at the end, pretty narrow infinite possibilities :P

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@DITHRICH @Gamer_4_Fun that's the whole point of it -.- EVERY story has something different... the result is what stays constant

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i understand the ending...but what is the DEBT that Booker owe?? maybe its explained and i did not get it..

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@ravager1989 originally a massive gambeling debt, (i think) which was why he sold his daughter. In the game, when you play, the debt is just something he fabricated in his mind as an excuse to rescue Elizabeth.

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Can't wait to see what we learn in the DLC!!!!!!!!

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@JimmyThreeBalls You explore a multiverse where Jimmy only has two balls...

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Comstock believed that baptism absolved him of his sins. Freed of guilt over his crimes, he was free to then commit far worse ones and rationalize them away as necessary for his righteous cause. Dewitt rejected baptism, retained his guilt and shame, and it was that guilt and shame which motivated him to try to become a better person. Dewitt was no saint, but he was aware of his own failings and conflicted about them, whereas there was no such barrier to Comstock's atrocities.

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I LOVE how after I finished I immediately started it back , and even when you are in the row boat, the twins are talking to each other, and one goes "he doesn't row", and the other goes "well make him" then he goes "no, he DOESN'T row". That was just masterful.

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@Dentalflossbush I don't get the significance that you are pointing to. I don't get it, "he doesn't row" vs "he DOESN'T row." is that supposed to mean something? why was that masterful? i'd honestly like to know

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@Lamachina @Dentalflossbush Robert was telling the present (Booker doesn't row to help robert) and obviously players understand as Booker doesn't row in the present. Rosalind tells Robert to tell Booker to row, but the real intention of Robert wasn't it: he wanted to tell that Booker "doesn't" row in any of the universes, and Robert is just stating the obvious.

Or at least I understood as.

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Nice to see two guys talking together about Bioshock ending. Nothing looks weird.. Absolutely.

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Something that is bugging me that I can't quite figure out, maybe you guys can for me. So at the end of the game when Booker is drowned by all the Elizabeth's it kills off all the possible existences of Elizabeth and Comstock, but as most people have stated not Anna. I'm asking why not? If Anna was born before the baptism where Booker becomes Comstock then why wouldn't Comstock take Anna from his own Universe and do all that crazy stuff that he does to "make" Elizabeth? Does Comstock just reject and neglect the Anna in his Universe? and if so wouldn't that create a paradox when he takes Anna from another universe?

Now let's say that Anna is only born after Dewitt rejects the baptism, that would make sense why Comstock would take Anna from the other Universe because she does not exist in his universe. But that would also mean in the final scene when the Elizabeth's drowned Dewitt, that they're not only stopping the existence of Comstock and Elizabeth, but Anna as well. Does Dewitt fully understand that he is stopping the existence of his daughter?

It changes the outcome of the game for me at least, from Booker stopping all this madness and letting his child hopefully have a somewhat normal life, to now he saves the world at a cost of everything to him..

I don't know am I wrong, or am I missing something?
Help me out, thanks.

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@AndThn3 The Booker Dewitt timeline that leads to Anna being born after rejecting baptism remains, and we see that in the closing. However, this introduces a paradox: if Elizabeth is eliminated along with Comstock, then who goes back in time to drown Comstock at his birth?

Some version of Elizabeth must still exist with super-powers intact, which is why we get the ambiguous ending. Is Anna there? Even without Comstock, the Luteces would still probably end up mucking with the multiverse...

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Did i get this right? is it possible that Booker is/was in a endless loop saving Elizabeth? in coin flip act the brother twin wares a board with hundreds of marks on the Heads side. did Booker flipped the coin in each visit? each time resulting Heads?

Also, How did the Shepperd found that his other version in a different universe (Booker) has a baby daughter?

Great Game

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@menny_k The coin flip is how many times the Luteces brought booker there. He failed some 100+ times. When they row the boat in the beginning the female letuce detests how continuing to do an experiment you know the answer to is foolish. Its not so much stuck in a loop i dont think, as the Luteces being very determined to undo what they did.

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@Epicurus-Reborn @menny_k If the Luteces are so determined to "fix" their error, why go through all this mess? since they posses almost the same powers as Elizabeth, all they needed to do is kill Booker themselves before baptism.

One more thing, i think it is not correct to say "kill Booker before baptism". instead say "Killing Booker before he decides weather going through baptism or not". killing Booker before choosing, ends both the Shepherds and the drunks time line, both Elizabeth's and Ana's time line. this is why i cant understand the last image when Booker hears Ana cry.



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agh! where is my long thought out comment! oh the humanity.

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why when booker falls he doesnt loose heath just wakes on the ground? I think its called false awakening

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Also, the biggest thing that bothered me was that, if comstock is booker why the hell dont they look the same? or even sound the same? They have different voices and facial features! But even that is explained in one of the voxophones... Comstock's little trips through the tears actually changed his genetics over time. (which is also what made him sterile). Crazy-nesss!!!

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well.. definitely my fav bioshock game.

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Graphical explanation of Bioshock Infinite. (Warning: Huge spoilers!)

http://i.imgur.com/ld70tjG.jpg

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@dangermouse2k this is just one branch, theres no source to erase even if you erase the universe. this is what makes quantum physics and Back to the future time travel incompatible. so the story line we see was not so important is just another of many others. because theres infinite branches with Comstock after the baptism, theres infinite baptisms too, infinite Bookers being born and infinite big bangs. kudos for Levine trolling everyone when the answer is more Humane and simple.

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I know, when I saw Rapture I was totally shocked!!! Booker's line on Rapture made me crack up in laughter.

Elizabeth being Booker's daughter... makes so much sense and wraps everything up. The fact that the game make you care so much about the girl just makes this so much powerfull.

I remember that in one of the trailers someone complained that in BioShock Infinite trailers and whatever Elizabeth never looked the same... In the scene where all the multiple Elizabeths apear it all makes sense =)

I now understand why one of the programmers quit after playing the game.

Booker being Cumstock... Phewww...!!!, Wow... I think the tortured Elizabeth no longer exists, but the happy without a father Ana does... Sooo many questions, so few answers... I'm gonna go and play the game again in 1999's mode

I agree with the game's views on religious fanatism. I don't think it's about religion or christianity in particular. I think the criticism is more on religion when taken to the extreme, and how people buy into it without any questioning...

Great video you guys!!!

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If there are infinite possibilities,Then what stops a different Booker to accept the baptism in an another demension?

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@Sotgun24 Booker accepted baptism in another dimension by which Comstock is born.
Booker has always been ending up in becoming the Comstock in other dimensions by accepting baptism.

BUT THIS TIME HE WANTS TO KILL COMSTOCK BEFORE HE IS BORN,
THAT IS WHY HE IS KILLED BEFORE HE IS BAPTISED.


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@Maxpayne999 @Sotgun24 But he only kills one Comstock..While there are many other Comstocks

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@luizferrarezzi @Zenreaver @Sotgun24 @Maxpayne999

Coin toss scene shows the extereme depth where the choice for to be baptised or not to be baptised branches in Dewitt's character. This means that he decides to be baptised or not by only a breadth of hair difference (1/2e123 thin actually so far - If you throw a coin from a lets say a perfectly tuned -it must have been very perfectly tuned indeed- coin tosser machine with same settings always, the coin sometimes deviate, not always ending up in tails or heads... So what can cause this switching to flip head to tail ? The answer is the over sensitiveness to initial conditions and as you may know it is the basis of Chaos Theory). In short, I think with each coin toss and each cycle of game Luteces are going deeper into the iteration , burrowing deep into the inifinity to add a few more siginificant digits into their initial conditions. When they finally burrowed deep enough to find the constant and variable set which would make Dewitt to choose not to accept the baptism, yet not fall enough to sell his daughter either, too; -cause in my opinion losing hope in yourself completely because of your sins -> wither in gambling -> get low enough to give your daughter for your debts is not so different then accepting the baptism and thus become Comstock.) maybe what happened in the game will turn into a quantum dream which will never really existed as you visioned. :)

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@Zenreaver @luizferrarezzi @Sotgun24 @Maxpayne999 there is infinite possibilities after the baptism and before too. this "kill Booker before the baptism" is just arbitrary. the coin fliping is just an analogy, not the real thing.

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@luizferrarezzi @Sotgun24 @Maxpayne999

the real tragedy here is, among the infinite Dewitts, the one who will become Comstock and the one who will sell his daughter is almost -only with a 1/(2e123) bit different so far - the same man...

Actually, when you flip a head during the coin toss, it seals your fate to be drowned in the end...

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@Sotgun24 @Maxpayne999 and many other Baptisms. WAKE UP!

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My wife watched me play the game and the ending and we discussed it last week. After watching this yesterday I went home and discussed this with her and she raised her eyebrow and said "you came up with this by yourself" lol...i said no i watched a video on gamespot and we both laughed and said she like how it tied the game together and opened up infinite possibilities.....

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Surely one of the most memorable and outstanding endings of all time.

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The story at the end was a bit "murky" to say the least. I was hoping that like in Bioshock 1 there would be a "good and "bad" ending based off the decisions I had made. Yet, basically I got a not-quite-bad ending with an ambiguous epilogue. I felt they went a tad overboard with the alternate universes and that muddled up the ending too. The end scene in Rapture was essentially utterly pointless to the story.

The whole Booker is Comstock thing didn't make a lot of sense, especially since early on they said that Elizabeth is not Comstock's daughter, then they changed their minds and said yes she is his daughter since Booker/Comstock are the same person. Slate should of recognized Booker or at the very least mentioned a resemblace to Comstock.

They never explained why Elizabeth can do what she does. We know Comstock stole her (as Anna) as a baby and raised her in Columbia, but the how & why of her abilities are never explained. If anyone could do it using Columbia tech, why did Comstock have to use his daughter from the past?

Why did Booker have to drown to kill "all" the Comstocks of the multiverse? That would cause a paradox. If Anna was kidnapped then Booker didn't have a debt, Anna wasn't sold, Anna didn't learn tears and become Elizabeth, and the whole game wouldn't of happened.

What was "the debt"? He said he got him gambling, but that didn't explain why one of the Twins would be able to "wipe" it away.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game, but the story in Bioshock 1 was better.

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@DrowNoble Wow.... you clearly did not understand any of the ending. I will explain all of your points as best I can.

1: The reason there wasn't a good or a bad ending that was based off your actions, was because every single road you took was supposed to lead you to the ending. Like when Elizabeth talks about Constance and variable, some things will be the same in every loop, and some things will vary, but it won't matter.

2: It makes plenty of sense that Booker is also Comstock. There is an audio diary of Comstock that you find on Comstocks Zepplin near the end that says when you are born again, the version of yourself that has sin lives on in another universe. So when Booker is baptized he changes his identity and becomes Comstock, and when he chooses not to be baptized, he stays Booker and becomes the man who sold Anna and then later went to Columbia to get her back.

3: When Anna goes through the tear into the alternate universe, her finger is cut off which leaves a part of her in another universe. This makes her exist in multiple universes and everything in between which gives her the ability to make tears into multiple universes.

4: No matter what happened after Booker made his decision of baptism, Anna was stolen and taken to Columbia. If he was baptized he became Comstock, and eventually stole Anna from the Booker that wasn't baptized. So the only way to stop that loop was to be drowned before he could make the decision.

5: The story in Bioshock Infinite was better. You just have to pay more attention to the game to understand the true beauty behind it.

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@Egamer30 @DrowNoble The story was not better, it was different, I enjoyed both but Bioshock 1 i didn't see the plot twists coming, in Infinite i did.

Both are good, opinions will be different, personally i just preferred Rapture to Colombia. There was just something missing in Colombia for me.

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@Conan1985 @Egamer30 @DrowNoble would you kindly like bioshock infinite more

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@DrowNoble you missed a lot of points, you'd better read some older posts first. Also, reading the timeline graph that can be find with clicking Top Comments will help you.

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@DrowNoble the debt was giving Anna away in the first place, and repaying the debt is reuniting with her I believe.

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Clarify some things , who was the guy at the lighthouse with the note

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@musalala I wondered that too. Maybe its another dead Dewitt? There was the Dewitt who died for the Vox after all. Thats my guess.

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@musalala good point, I think that's just a storytelling decoy.

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One thing I didn't understand while playing through the game was the timeline of events, in particular, the timeline that is in the Hall of Heroes. On that timeline, it says the Prophet is born in 1874, Wounded Knee occurs in 1890, Columbia launches and the lamb are born in 1893. At the end, when you get the baptism part (the first time when Booker rejects it), he says something like I remember this place, I was here after Wounded Knee. And what doesn't make sense is by my math, Comstock is 38 years old in 1912 even though he looks like an old man. Booker becomes born again in 1890, 3 years before Anna/Elizabeth is born. So does that mean that the Comstock in Columbia is really a futuristic version of himself since he looks so much older. And also, why did Slate not recognize Booker as really being Comstock when you get to Hall of Heroes? Or are we supposed to assume that everything in Hall of Heroes is just a lie including the timeline?

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@scottp61 As for your first question it is explained in one of the voxaphones that the constant use of tears made Comstock's body age.

As for why Slate didn't recognize Booker as Comstock: The Comstock Slate met was very different from the Booker he fought alongside at Wounded knee. So it's more like Slate didn't recognize Comstock as Booker :). And that is reasonable given Comstock's change in appearence/personality and name.

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Excellent job Kevin Carol on this. I so loved this game so much and got goosebumps at the end when we ended up in Rapture. It all became so clear to me at that point what really was going one. For me... this is the best game I have played this year. The story, the graphics, the music, and just overall... it was AWESOME!!! :)

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"The impulse to accept the experience as real is so strong the dreamer will often invent a memory or a story to cover up an incongruous or unrealistic event in the dream" wiki about lucid dreams.
when Booker tells "I'm afraid of you" to Elizabeth, he is afraid of the responsabilities of taking care of her alone being poor and how his decisions are going to affect her in the future. I broke the code!!!

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