ME1, 2 & 3 Trilogy Discussion (SPOILERS & Wild Speculation Within)

The council did not believe Shep in ME1, they made him a Specter again but still didn't believe him in ME2, but what of ME3 will it take the destruction of a few worlds for them to see. Also even if Shepard takes out a Reaper at the end of ME3 there were thousands on their way at the end of ME2 are they linked by a command vessel or will he have to find a new weapon mentioned in his beacon visions.

The Normandy2 was built by Cerberus and while the crew may follow him there is a chance that the Illusive Man has a self destruct on-board. Also ME3 will be focused on the Reapers and the Illusive Man being hunted by Shepard sounds like a good follow up to the trilogy.

Will the man ever get his refund from the Turian?

Some thing I wanted in ME2 was being treated differently if your a Biotic. In ME1 I was in the biotic cult and they treated my character like an ordinary soldier. People in the universe should recognise Sheps talents as well as his charisma.

(Sorry if I havn'y been posting much I've been a bit ill)

Dont appologize for posting alot, thats what these boards are all about...

I started the "Earth showdown" thread, so Im gonna stick by that for my ME3... Im not ready to make a call on the Illusive man. I feel as though he could possibly come through in a positive light by the conclussion. 

I feel like so much emphasis has been made about the utter lack of assistance from the coucil that at some climactic point durring ME3 when all the chips are down, the council will finally come through for Shep and he will literally hold the reigns on an organic super army against the reapers.  Oh, and I'm seeing playable ME1 characters coming back with their own special side missions/loyalty.  I also know that the cool thing to do now a day, is kill the hero, but please Bioware... Don't kill Shepard. you may get a 31 year old father and home owner to cry....

Dont appologize for posting alot, thats what these boards are all about...

I started the "Earth showdown" thread, so Im gonna stick by that for my ME3... Im not ready to make a call on the Illusive man. I feel as though he could possibly come through in a positive light by the conclussion.

I feel like so much emphasis has been made about the utter lack of assistance from the coucil that at some climactic point durring ME3 when all the chips are down, the council will finally come through for Shep and he will literally hold the reigns on an organic super army against the reapers. Oh, and I'm seeing playable ME1 characters coming back with their own special side missions/loyalty. I also know that the cool thing to do now a day, is kill the hero, but please Bioware... Don't kill Shepard. you may get a 31 year old father and home owner to cry....

TheEroica

Sorry about the typo I ment I have not been able to post a lot because I have been sick.

I hope your right about Shepard. I'd hate to play as Udina for ME3 :lol:

I'm pretty sure they will have to reset the skills somehow.

I'm thinking - he already died, so it would have to be amnesia from concussion :) 

Perhaps the Shadow Broker will do something to Shepard...

What I'm really curious about is what will happen if we import a dead character? Will we play as Conrad Verner? After all, he is trying to be a Shepard. Or will it be something else? 

Perhaps the Shadow Broker will do something to Shepard...

What I'm really curious about is what will happen if we import a dead character? Will we play as Conrad Verner? After all, he is trying to be a Shepard. Or will it be something else? 

N7v1K0

They already stated that if your character dies in ME2, you will still start ME3 as Shepard - just not *your* Shepard. 

Not sure where else to put this so I'll post it here...

I just found Fist on Omega!

Fist has always died in my ME1 playthroughs but in my most recent playthrough, I let him walk away and I hadn't recruited Wrex yet so he couldn't kill Fist...

Now, I've imported that playthrough onto ME2 and just got to Omega...and there's Fist...standing near the Batarian bartender...I didn't even know this was possible!

I haven't really found anything new in my last few playthroughs (besides DLC) but this moment actually surprised me!

Did any of you know about this? Surely, I'm not the first one of us to see this...

Not sure where else to put this so I'll post it here...

I just found Fist on Omega!

Fist has always died in my ME1 playthroughs but in my most recent playthrough, I let him walk away and I hadn't recruited Wrex yet so he couldn't kill Fist...

Now, I've imported that playthrough onto ME2 and just got to Omega...and there's Fist...standing near the Batarian bartender...I didn't even know this was possible!

I haven't really found anything new in my last few playthroughs (besides DLC) but this moment actually surprised me!

Did any of you know about this? Surely, I'm not the first one of us to see this...

majinstrings

I think I found him on my 1st or 2nd playthrough. His dialogue and comments are hilarious :lol:

I've been thinking about this for a while...

The Blood Pack is just Krogan and Vorcha, right?

So why is thier 'logo' a human skull and fist?

Or maybe it's an Asari skull and fist :P

I actually found Fist in Omega on my first playthrough, due to being a Paragon my first time through the first Mass Effect.

And I highly doubt they will kill Shepard again in Mass Effect 3, at least, not until the end. I hope they dont. I would seriously cry if they did. :P

And you can actually die in Mass Effect 2? I heard Morith could kill you after the suicide mission, but I didnt know you could actually get killed. :P

I've been thinking about this for a while...

The Blood Pack is just Krogan and Vorcha, right?

So why is thier 'logo' a human skull and fist?

Or maybe it's an Asari skull and fist :P

majinstrings

Good point Maj! MIND BLOWN.
Slip up in cohesive writing on BioWare's behalf?

[QUOTE="majinstrings"]

I've been thinking about this for a while...

The Blood Pack is just Krogan and Vorcha, right?

So why is thier 'logo' a human skull and fist?

Or maybe it's an Asari skull and fist :P

caityful

Good point Maj! MIND BLOWN.
Slip up in cohesive writing on BioWare's behalf?

Perhaps human/asari skulls and fists look better than that of other species

[QUOTE="caityful"][QUOTE="majinstrings"]

I've been thinking about this for a while...

The Blood Pack is just Krogan and Vorcha, right?

So why is thier 'logo' a human skull and fist?

Or maybe it's an Asari skull and fist :P

N7v1K0

Good point Maj! MIND BLOWN.
Slip up in cohesive writing on BioWare's behalf?

Perhaps human/asari skulls and fists look better than that of other species

Or the Krogan are lousy painters :P

[QUOTE="N7v1K0"][QUOTE="caityful"][QUOTE="majinstrings"]

I've been thinking about this for a while...

The Blood Pack is just Krogan and Vorcha, right?

So why is thier 'logo' a human skull and fist?

Or maybe it's an Asari skull and fist :P

Falcon084

Good point Maj! MIND BLOWN.
Slip up in cohesive writing on BioWare's behalf?

Perhaps human/asari skulls and fists look better than that of other species

Or the Krogan are lousy painters :P

:lol: Yeah...it was supposed to be a Krogan fist crushing a Turian skull...they just suck at painting :P

Not sure where else to put this so I'll post it here...

I just found Fist on Omega!

Fist has always died in my ME1 playthroughs but in my most recent playthrough, I let him walk away and I hadn't recruited Wrex yet so he couldn't kill Fist...

Now, I've imported that playthrough onto ME2 and just got to Omega...and there's Fist...standing near the Batarian bartender...I didn't even know this was possible!

I haven't really found anything new in my last few playthroughs (besides DLC) but this moment actually surprised me!

Did any of you know about this? Surely, I'm not the first one of us to see this...

majinstrings

[spoiler] wait, at the end of ME 2 they are Reapers Ships? i thought they are Collectors Ships [/spoiler] guildclaws

You thought they were Collectors? :?

[spoiler] wait, at the end of ME 2 they are Reapers Ships? i thought they are Collectors Ships [/spoiler] guildclaws

Yeah, that's the Reaper fleet, coming to eat us all up :shock:

Yeah, that's the Reaper fleet, coming to eat us all up :shock:

ColJendon

And turn us into 3 eyed Terminators!

:P

Pureblood...what's a Pureblood?

I thought it was just an Asari whose parents were both Asari...

But I was playing ME2 right now and heard the 2 Asari talking on Ilium (near the place to purchase Star Maps) and one of them said that Purebloods were a dying breed...

The only way that's true is if Purebloods were Asari who have nothing but Asari blood...I mean nothing but an Asari bloodline; parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and so on...

Well, if you haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker then this might be kind of a SPOILER...

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...

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If that is what a Pureblood is (someone whose bloodline has never been crossed with another species) then that means Liara is not a Pureblood...maybe...

Because the bartender who seems to be Liara's 'father' had a Krogan father...which would mean Liara has a bit of Krogan in her...unless the bartender was lying or mistaken about who her mother 'bonded' with...or unless the Asari next to the Star Maps was mistaken about what a Pureblood is...

Either way, there is some sort of mistake...

Pureblood...what's a Pureblood?

I thought it was just an Asari whose parents were both Asari...

majinstrings

Thats the impression I got. Though I shut my eyes and didn't read the spoiler bit of what you wrote :P Any one else know?

I've been wondering about Reaper names, actually...

Is Harbinger's name actually Harbinger? Or did Shepard just call it that because it kept saying "We are Harbinger"

Or does Harbinger have a name like Sovereign's was actually Nazara?

And somethng else...during the last fight in ME1, when Sovereign takes control of Saren' body, it says "I am Soveriegn and this station is mine!"

Why would it say that if its name was actually Nazara? Did floating around in space for so long make it forget its actual name? Or did Mac Walters just want to change some things that he felt Drew Karpyshyn got wrong? Like Joker's disease...

I've been wondering about Reaper names, actually...

Is Harbinger's name actually Harbinger? Or did Shepard just call it that because it kept saying "We are Harbinger"

Or does Harbinger have a name like Sovereign's was actually Nazara?

And somethng else...during the last fight in ME1, when Sovereign takes control of Saren' body, it says "I am Soveriegn and this station is mine!"

Why would it say that if its name was actually Nazara? Did floating around in space for so long make it forget its actual name? Or did Mac Walters just want to change some things that he felt Drew Karpyshyn got wrong? Like Joker's disease...

majinstrings

You make a very good point and I have no answer.

Any one?

[QUOTE="majinstrings"]

I've been wondering about Reaper names, actually...

Is Harbinger's name actually Harbinger? Or did Shepard just call it that because it kept saying "We are Harbinger"

Or does Harbinger have a name like Sovereign's was actually Nazara?

And somethng else...during the last fight in ME1, when Sovereign takes control of Saren' body, it says "I am Soveriegn and this station is mine!"

Why would it say that if its name was actually Nazara? Did floating around in space for so long make it forget its actual name? Or did Mac Walters just want to change some things that he felt Drew Karpyshyn got wrong? Like Joker's disease...

Falcon084

You make a very good point and I have no answer.

Any one?

Organics cannot comprehend the Reapers, I thought y'all knew that :P

Pureblood...what's a Pureblood?

I thought it was just an Asari whose parents were both Asari...

But I was playing ME2 right now and heard the 2 Asari talking on Ilium (near the place to purchase Star Maps) and one of them said that Purebloods were a dying breed...

The only way that's true is if Purebloods were Asari who have nothing but Asari blood...I mean nothing but an Asari bloodline; parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and so on...

Well, if you haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker then this might be kind of a SPOILER...

...

...

...

If that is what a Pureblood is (someone whose bloodline has never been crossed with another species) then that means Liara is not a Pureblood...maybe...

Because the bartender who seems to be Liara's 'father' had a Krogan father...which would mean Liara has a bit of Krogan in her...unless the bartender was lying or mistaken about who her mother 'bonded' with...or unless the Asari next to the Star Maps was mistaken about what a Pureblood is...

Either way, there is some sort of mistake...

majinstrings

The way they reproduce is different from humans. It isn't like, say, my parents have brown hair, so I will. There's no combining of actual genetic material. The asari merely use the father species to randomize or adopt certain traits - but their genetic code is still wholly Asari. So basically, the stigma against purebloods ingame is largely irrational, although there would be somewhat more variance/difference in mixed race children. Hope I didn't make that too confusing. :P

[QUOTE="Falcon084"][QUOTE="majinstrings"]

I've been wondering about Reaper names, actually...

Is Harbinger's name actually Harbinger? Or did Shepard just call it that because it kept saying "We are Harbinger"

Or does Harbinger have a name like Sovereign's was actually Nazara?

And somethng else...during the last fight in ME1, when Sovereign takes control of Saren' body, it says "I am Soveriegn and this station is mine!"

Why would it say that if its name was actually Nazara? Did floating around in space for so long make it forget its actual name? Or did Mac Walters just want to change some things that he felt Drew Karpyshyn got wrong? Like Joker's disease...

N7v1K0

You make a very good point and I have no answer.

Any one?

Organics cannot comprehend the Reapers, I thought y'all knew that :P

:lol: Yeah...

I think that's how Reapers play off their mistakes :P

Reaper:"We are making our way to your planet, Shepard. Expect the destruction of your world when we arrive in 37 years."

Shepard:"Well, why wouldn't you just take the Mass Relays and get here sooner?"

(Long Pause)

Reaper:"...You couldn't possibly comprehend our logic..."

[QUOTE="majinstrings"]

Pureblood...what's a Pureblood?

I thought it was just an Asari whose parents were both Asari...

But I was playing ME2 right now and heard the 2 Asari talking on Ilium (near the place to purchase Star Maps) and one of them said that Purebloods were a dying breed...

The only way that's true is if Purebloods were Asari who have nothing but Asari blood...I mean nothing but an Asari bloodline; parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and so on...

Well, if you haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker then this might be kind of a SPOILER...

...

...

...

If that is what a Pureblood is (someone whose bloodline has never been crossed with another species) then that means Liara is not a Pureblood...maybe...

Because the bartender who seems to be Liara's 'father' had a Krogan father...which would mean Liara has a bit of Krogan in her...unless the bartender was lying or mistaken about who her mother 'bonded' with...or unless the Asari next to the Star Maps was mistaken about what a Pureblood is...

Either way, there is some sort of mistake...

psn8214

The way they reproduce is different from humans. It isn't like, say, my parents have brown hair, so I will. There's no combining of actual genetic material. The asari merely use the father species to randomize or adopt certain traits - but their genetic code is still wholly Asari. So basically, the stigma against purebloods ingame is largely irrational, although there would be somewhat more variance/difference in mixed race children. Hope I didn't make that too confusing. :P

So then the Asari on Ilium was wrong...

Purebloods aren't really a dying breed...it's not like one day it will be impossible for a 'Pureblood' to be born...

[QUOTE="psn8214"][QUOTE="majinstrings"]

Pureblood...what's a Pureblood?

I thought it was just an Asari whose parents were both Asari...

But I was playing ME2 right now and heard the 2 Asari talking on Ilium (near the place to purchase Star Maps) and one of them said that Purebloods were a dying breed...

The only way that's true is if Purebloods were Asari who have nothing but Asari blood...I mean nothing but an Asari bloodline; parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and their parents were Asari and so on...

Well, if you haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker then this might be kind of a SPOILER...

...

...

...

If that is what a Pureblood is (someone whose bloodline has never been crossed with another species) then that means Liara is not a Pureblood...maybe...

Because the bartender who seems to be Liara's 'father' had a Krogan father...which would mean Liara has a bit of Krogan in her...unless the bartender was lying or mistaken about who her mother 'bonded' with...or unless the Asari next to the Star Maps was mistaken about what a Pureblood is...

Either way, there is some sort of mistake...

majinstrings

The way they reproduce is different from humans. It isn't like, say, my parents have brown hair, so I will. There's no combining of actual genetic material. The asari merely use the father species to randomize or adopt certain traits - but their genetic code is still wholly Asari. So basically, the stigma against purebloods ingame is largely irrational, although there would be somewhat more variance/difference in mixed race children. Hope I didn't make that too confusing. :P

So then the Asari on Ilium was wrong...

Purebloods aren't really a dying breed...it's not like one day it will be impossible for a 'Pureblood' to be born...

Nah, not wrong necessarily. I think they meant its happening less and less, which would make sense.

There's something that has always bothered me in ME2...

When you're in the Migrant Fleet...some of the squad members have full helmets and others just seem to have a little mask that allows them to breath; like Miranda for example...wouldn't she have been forced to put on something so that none of her skin or hair was exposed? Isn't that a little dangerous for the Quarians?

There's something that has always bothered me in ME2...

When you're in the Migrant Fleet...some of the squad members have full helmets and others just seem to have a little mask that allows them to breath; like Miranda for example...wouldn't she have been forced to put on something so that none of her skin or hair was exposed? Isn't that a little dangerous for the Quarians?

majinstrings

[QUOTE="majinstrings"]

There's something that has always bothered me in ME2...

When you're in the Migrant Fleet...some of the squad members have full helmets and others just seem to have a little mask that allows them to breath; like Miranda for example...wouldn't she have been forced to put on something so that none of her skin or hair was exposed? Isn't that a little dangerous for the Quarians?

Lone_Warrior_66

Yeah, the guys over at the official forums always point this out lol :P

Hopefully everyone will get proper inventory in ME3

Do you guys think that the Illusive Man is going to be a villain in the next main villain in ME 3?IndianaJones414

I think he always was. But over all it will depend on how you treated him at the end of ME2.

That is a good point, the good ending shows that you turn your back on him and Cerebus and he did want the technology from the Collectors for himself. I think he may possibly be working with the Reapers if you chose the Paragon ending. IndianaJones414

If TIM became indoctrinated he would be far worse that Saren. He would give the Reapers the full knowledge of humanities resources!

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

Falcon084

That can't be true, Saren is a Turian, while Liara is an Asari.

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

Falcon084

[QUOTE="Falcon084"]

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

Lone_Warrior_66

Lol :P

Liara's "dad" is Matriarch Aethyta, as seen in LotSB

Liara's "dad" is Matriarch Aethyta, as seen in LotSB

N7v1K0

[QUOTE="Lone_Warrior_66"][QUOTE="Falcon084"]

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

N7v1K0

Lol :P

Liara's "dad" is Matriarch Aethyta, as seen in Lo You know I don't tSB

You know I don't have the DLC's. Thank you for spoiling it for me :(!

Oh well.

[QUOTE="N7v1K0"][QUOTE="Lone_Warrior_66"][QUOTE="Falcon084"]

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

Falcon084

Lol :P

Liara's "dad" is Matriarch Aethyta, as seen in LotSB

You know I don't have the DLC's. Thank you for spoiling it for me :(!

Oh well.

It's not central to the LotSB story, it's an easter egg to make fans wonder since it's never been officially confirmed as Lone_Warrior said :P

But sorry for spoling it anyway, I sometimes forget that not everyone here has played the DLCs 

[QUOTE="Falcon084"][QUOTE="N7v1K0"][QUOTE="Lone_Warrior_66"][QUOTE="Falcon084"]

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

N7v1K0

Lol :P

Liara's "dad" is Matriarch Aethyta, as seen in LotSB

You know I don't have the DLC's. Thank you for spoiling it for me :(!

Oh well.

It's not central to the LotSB story, it's an easter egg to make fans wonder since it's never been officially confirmed as Lone_Warrior said :P

But sorry for spoling it anyway, I sometimes forget that not everyone here has played the DLCs

Ok :)

I still want it to be Saren :lol:

[QUOTE="Falcon084"]

I have been playing ME1 over the last few days and something occurred to me. How did Benezia know Saren (after all his work is cIassfied), and how did she come to joining him to sway him from the path of the Reapers. Then it dawned on me a really cool plot twist, Saren is Liara's father!

I hope it is true.

IndianaJones414

That can't be true, Saren is a Turian, while Liara is an Asari.

You better read up on your Asari biology.