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#1 RadTad62
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kefka hands down
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#2 DrAwesomeMD
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Without a doubt Kefka.
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#3 DJ-Lafleur
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Hard choice, both were extremely epic battles, and both were easy...

charater wise, again, both were awesome, and both were crazy and psychopaths that desired nothing but power and destruction.

I honestly cannot choose.

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#4 NeoGen85
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Sephiroth is the only villain in Final Fantasy where the characters strength hasn't been seen at there full potential. But I can't really argue who is better. This is one topic that won't easily go away.
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#5 equimanthorn01
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Without a doubt Kefka.DrAwesomeMD
Exactly. 4 satages of epic win with the better theme
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#6 Shiggums
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No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk. 

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#7 DJ-Lafleur
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No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk.

Shiggums

What, and facing a tower of corpses and an evil angel clown isn't odd? :P

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#8 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk.

DJ-Lafleur

What, and facing a tower of corpses and an evil angel clown isn't odd? :P

No. Thati s awesome
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#9 DJ-Lafleur
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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk.

equimanthorn01

What, and facing a tower of corpses and an evil angel clown isn't odd? :P

No. Thati s awesome

Well, yeah, I agree. I think the battle with Sephiroth was awesome, too...as well as odd.

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Hard choice, both were extremely epic battles, and both were easy...

charater wise, again, both were awesome, and both were crazy and psychopaths that desired nothing but power and destruction.

I honestly cannot choose.

DJ-Lafleur

I feel the same way. Both were awesome.

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#11 Flipyap28
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THE ULTIMATE SOILDER > the clown

not that I have anything against clowns, the joker is awesome (best villian evar) but Sepiroth is just so much better as a FF bad guy

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Kefka looks easy to beat compared to Sephiroth.
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#13 DrAwesomeMD
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Kefka looks easy to beat compared to Sephiroth.D3dr0_0

While he wasn't the hardest final boss, he was no pushover.

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[QUOTE="D3dr0_0"]Kefka looks easy to beat compared to Sephiroth.DrAwesomeMD

While he wasn't the hardest final boss, he was no pushover.

I wouldn't know since I haven't played the game but seen someone destroy him at lv 73, but I did play VII and sephiroth heartless angle was a pain until I got Omislash.

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#15 Shiggums
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[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk.

DJ-Lafleur

What, and facing a tower of corpses and an evil angel clown isn't odd? :P

True :P I see that as less odd. I mean, Kefka changed because of the 3 goddesses, and Sephiroth from the lifestream. The thing is, Cloud also fell directly into the lifestream and he didn't mutate or anything. It makes me think, WTF? 

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Kefka ftw.
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#17 dbz987
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After just finishing Final Fantasy Vi for the first time yesterday, I will have to say Kefka. 

I love the Dancing Mad Theme

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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]

No poll?

Kefka. I thought Sephiroth's final battle was sorta odd, him suddenly a giant green thing and then half pegasus? Idk.

Shiggums

What, and facing a tower of corpses and an evil angel clown isn't odd? :P

True :P I see that as less odd. I mean, Kefka changed because of the 3 goddesses, and Sephiroth from the lifestream. The thing is, Cloud also fell directly into the lifestream and he didn't mutate or anything. It makes me think, WTF?

sephiroths aura in the lifestream was purely evil, melded with the dark materia, (even before he died again it was there, read maiden who travels the planet) hence the red stuff surounding holy being jenova and black materia. Clouds aura was protected by dual efforts from aerith/s and tifa. Plus, could cope with the lifestream since his body had been in there literally and had been brought out...

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Sephiroth all the way, One Winged Angel is like one of the most epic songs EVER

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#20 batman_is_me
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Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imo
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Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imobatman_is_me
Me, on the other hand. I do not see what was so great about him. He didn;t even do anything He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater
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[QUOTE="batman_is_me"]Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imoequimanthorn01
Me, on the other hand. I do not see what was so great about him. He didn;t even do anything He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater

Even though he was frozen, he was still doing stuff. That's what makes him so special..You barely ever actually witness him doing stuff, though, but he leaves signs. Like in the Shinra building at first, and when you see that swamp monster thing impaled by a tree, for example.
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[QUOTE="batman_is_me"]Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imoequimanthorn01
Me, on the other hand. I do not see what was so great about him. He didn;t even do anything He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater

You're right that he was frozen in the northern crater for most of the game, but he was doing so much telepathically.....or mentally...or whatever you call it through his clones. How many people can you name that managed to bring the world to the brink of destruction while being frozen?

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#24 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="batman_is_me"]Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imobillybobbarvis
Me, on the other hand. I do not see what was so great about him. He didn;t even do anything He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater

Even though he was frozen, he was still doing stuff. That's what makes him so special..You barely ever actually witness him doing stuff, though, but he leaves signs. Like in the Shinra building at first, and when you see that swamp monster thing impaled by a tree, for example.

IT was a cline in the Shira buildint. IT was not Sephiroth. It was a clone that killed Aerith. It was not ephiroth
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#25 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="batman_is_me"]Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imobatman_is_me

Me, on the other hand. I do not see what was so great about him. He didn;t even do anything He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater

You're right that he was frozen in the northern crater for most of the game, but he was doing so much telepathically.....or mentally...or whatever you call it through his clones. How many people can you name that managed to bring the world to the brink of destruction while being frozen?

I can name a villian who succeeded in destroying the world
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#26 billybobbarvis
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IT was a clone in the Shira buildint. IT was not Sephiroth. It was a clone that killed Aerith. It was not Sephirothequimanthorn01

Sephiroth was still controlling the clones (I think), at least, that's what Batman_is_me said, and it is obvious that he loves FF VII from the posts he has made. :)
I can name a villian who succeeded in destroying the worldequimanthorn01

Two of the best bosses ever. Kefka and Kuja. :D But then again, Kefka didn't actually destroy the world, he just was very, very close. The planet was still nice and round and...still there... Kuja, on the other hand, destroyed a planet and then almost all of existance! He PWNS.
..but they weren't frozen...
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#27 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]IT was a clone in the Shira buildint. IT was not Sephiroth. It was a clone that killed Aerith. It was not Sephirothbillybobbarvis

Sephiroth was still controlling the clones (I think), at least, that's what Batman_is_me said, and it is obvious that he loves FF VII from the posts he has made. :)
I can name a villian who succeeded in destroying the worldequimanthorn01

Two of the best bosses ever. Kefka and Kuja. :D But then again, Kefka didn't actually destroy the world, he just was very, very close. The planet was still nice and round and...still there... Kuja, on the other hand, destroyed a planet and then almost all of existance! He PWNS.
..but they weren't frozen...

Kuja did not destroy the promary world. He did a hell of a lot of damage to it, though.

 

Kefka pretty much did destroy the world. He ruled what was left of it with an iron fist. Hew accomplished both typical villain goals. How many villians cvan claim that?

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#28 DreamersLegacy
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Although I give Kefka alot of credit as being an awesome boss, this is no competition. Sephiroth is the greatest enemy ever from any videogame imobatman_is_me

Amen!

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#29 billybobbarvis
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Kuja did not destroy the promary world. He did a hell of a lot of damage to it, though.equimanthorn01

Well, he was still a stones throw away from destroying all of existance, he was just about to destroy the crystal thang, but of course dumb Zidane had to come and stop him! >='(
Kefka pretty much did destroy the world. He ruled what was left of it with an iron fist. He accomplished both typical villain goals. How many villians can claim that? equimanthorn01
None, Kefka is awesome.
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#30 DrAwesomeMD
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[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]Kuja did not destroy the promary world. He did a hell of a lot of damage to it, though.billybobbarvis

Well, he was still a stones throw away from destroying all of existance, he was just about to destroy the crystal thang, but of course dumb Zidane had to come and stop him! >='(
Kefka pretty much did destroy the world. He ruled what was left of it with an iron fist. He accomplished both typical villain goals. How many villians can claim that? equimanthorn01
None, Kefka is awesome.

Zidane is not dumb! You take that back right now! D:<

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#31 Gamer4Iife
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Personally, I think the argument that Sephiroth was frozen the entire time is lame. In the end, it was his clones that did all the work, but he was the one that orchestrated the whole thing.

How is that any different from Kefka ? Kefka alone was a weakling. Using the same logic as equimanthorn's, he did not do ****, either. The poison and all the slaughter ? It wasn't him; he merely gave the order and watched. The World of Ruin ? That was the work of the Warring Triads.

Speaking of the World of Ruin, I wouldn't call that 'destroying the world'. It was just the same world, everyone was still alive and fine, what kind of apocalypse is that ? If Sephiroth's Meteor had hit, it would have been a different story. Both failed, imo, but that doesn't make them bad villains.

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#32 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="billybobbarvis"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]Kuja did not destroy the promary world. He did a hell of a lot of damage to it, though.DrAwesomeMD


Well, he was still a stones throw away from destroying all of existance, he was just about to destroy the crystal thang, but of course dumb Zidane had to come and stop him! >='(
Kefka pretty much did destroy the world. He ruled what was left of it with an iron fist. He accomplished both typical villain goals. How many villians can claim that? equimanthorn01
None, Kefka is awesome.

Zidane is not dumb! You take that back right now! D:<

I concur!!!!
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#33 equimanthorn01
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Personally, I think the argument that Sephiroth was frozen the entire time is lame. In the end, it was his clones that did all the work, but he was the one that orchestrated the whole thing.

How is that any different from Kefka ? Kefka alone was a weakling. Using the same logic as equimanthorn's, he did not do ****, either. The poison and all the slaughter ? It wasn't him; he merely gave the order and watched. The World of Ruin ? That was the work of the Warring Triads.

Speaking of the World of Ruin, I wouldn't call that 'destroying the world'. It was just the same world, everyone was still alive and fine, what kind of apocalypse is that ? If Sephiroth's Meteor had hit, it would have been a different story. Both failed, imo, but that doesn't make them bad villains.

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KEfka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. He lkilled Leo and the emperor/ He rearranged ther goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. He obtained their powers. He killed hundreds of ESPers to obtain their powers. Heruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. He poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of it
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#35 DJ-Lafleur
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Well, both get pwned by the goodie-two-shoes, anyway...

As I always say, Sephiroth and Kefka are identical in many ways.  Both are psychotic, both wanted nothing but power and destruction, both go around killing whatever without hesitation, both have angelic final boss forms with kickass battle themes...

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#37 billybobbarvis
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Zidane is not dumb! You take that back right now!DrAwesomeMD

No.
It was just the same world, everyone was still alive and fine, what kind of apocalypse is that?Gamer4Iife

Right.

I concur!!!!equimanthorn01

No.
Kefka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. HE killed Leo and the emperor. HE rearranged the goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. HE obtained their powers. HE killed hundreds of espers to obtain their powers. HE ruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. HE poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of it.equimanthorn01

Right, except Kefka stood by being hilarious while his troops set fire to Castle Firago. Other than that, he did do all that.
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#38 johngrose77
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i dont know they were both cool id say sephiroth

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#39 equimanthorn01
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[QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]Zidane is not dumb! You take that back right now!billybobbarvis


No.
It was just the same world, everyone was still alive and fine, what kind of apocalypse is that?Gamer4Iife

Right.

I concur!!!!equimanthorn01

No.
Kefka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. HE killed Leo and the emperor. HE rearranged the goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. HE obtained their powers. HE killed hundreds of espers to obtain their powers. HE ruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. HE poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of it.equimanthorn01

Right, except Kefka stood by being hilarious while his troops set fire to Castle Firago. Other than that, he did do all that.

You nev er actually witnessed anyone setting for to the castle, but it was Kefka that did it
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#40 billybobbarvis
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You never actually witnessed anyone setting for to the castle, but it was Kefka that did it.equimanthorn01

Now that you mention it, I don't remember seeing them set fire to it! So then, how would you know if it was Kefka or not?
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#41 equimanthorn01
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In an indirect way, he said he was going t set it on fire
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#42 billybobbarvis
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In an indirect way, he said he was going to set it on fireequimanthorn01

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...Okay, you lost me.
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#43 equimanthorn01
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He said "Welcome to my BBW." and the next thing you know the castle is on fire. Fire? BBQ? Get it?
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#44 Gamer4Iife
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KEfka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. He lkilled Leo and the emperor/ He rearranged ther goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. He obtained their powers. He killed hundreds of ESPers to obtain their powers. Heruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. He poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of itequimanthorn01

Of course he did. I was only using applying that logic on Kefka to show you how flawed it was. Kefka did all those things, and so did Sephiroth.

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#45 billybobbarvis
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He said "Welcome to my BBW." and the next thing you know the castle is on fire. Fire? BBQ? Get it?equimanthorn01

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OH!!! HOW CLEVER!!! =D
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#46 equimanthorn01
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No. Sephiroth did not.

 

That was supposed to say BBQ

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[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]KEfka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. He lkilled Leo and the emperor/ He rearranged ther goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. He obtained their powers. He killed hundreds of ESPers to obtain their powers. Heruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. He poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of itGamer4Iife

Of course he did. I was only using applying that logic on Kefka to show you how flawed it was. Kefka did all those things, and so did Sephiroth.

Sephiroth burned down Castle Figaro, killed General Leo and the Emporer, rearranged the goddess statues, killed hundreds of espers, poisoned the water of Doma as well? :o

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#48 D3dr0_0
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I wanted Sephiroth to destroy Midgar and everyone in it with meteor :twisted:instead of losing to Cloud if he was as powerful as they say he was he shouldn't of had a problem. What if they make a FF that lets you play as the villan:idea:
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#49 billybobbarvis
Member since 2006 • 2737 Posts
No. Sephiroth did not.equimanthorn01

That's not what he meant.
[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]KEfka did all of it. HE was the one that set fire to Castle Firago. He lkilled Leo and the emperor/ He rearranged ther goddess statues, throwing the world off balance. He obtained their powers. He killed hundreds of ESPers to obtain their powers. Heruled the world with an iron fist and took joy in stepping on the hopes and dreams of the people and crushing their spirit. He poisoned the water at Doma. Kefka did all of itDJ-Lafleur

Of course he did. I was only using applying that logic on Kefka to show you how flawed it was. Kefka did all those things, and so did Sephiroth.

Sephiroth burned down Castle Figaro, killed General Leo and the Emporer, rearranged the goddess statues, killed hundreds of espers, poisoned the water of Doma as well? :o


Equimanthorns argument was that Sephiroths clones did all the evil things in FF VII, what Gamer4Iife is trying to say is that Sephiroth was controlling the clones so it was him doing the evil stuff.
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#50 billybobbarvis
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I wanted Sephiroth to destroy Midgar and everyone in it with meteor :twisted:instead of losing to Cloud if he was as powerful as they say he was he shouldn't of had a problem. What if they make a FF that lets you play as the villan:idea:D3dr0_0

That would be...pretty cool. (Btw, it's shouldn't have*)