I know it's a bit off topic but....I know what you mean about the Wii's version of TP. Link has been a left-handed swordsmen ever since the beginning. However, it is a bit more comfortable for me since I am right-handed. :P
[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]You have to look at the big picture too. $99 for gamecube is one time and then you are going to find one hundred games that are $10 or less vs. $250 for wii and all games currently not selling for less and won't be less than $30-$50 a piece.
Yeah but you can play all those amazing GC games on the Wii, plus all the Wii games, and the downloadable games, and all the channels, and use the internet, etc. The Wii can do everythingthe GC doesand more and will have new games for 5 years. But if you buy a cheap GC off ebay or something it's not a bad deal. And I'm sure they will eventually bundle real games. I bought my GC when it was bundled with the original Metroid Prime at $150. Minus the $50 game and I basically payed $100 for my GC over 4 years ago; the same price it is now.
Casiotech
You have to look at the big picture too. $99 for gamecube is one time and then you are going to find one hundred games that are $10 or less vs. $250 for wii and all games currently not selling for less and won't be less than $30-$50 a piece.
Yeah but you can play all those amazing GC games on the Wii, plus all the Wii games, and the downloadable games, and all the channels, and use the internet, etc. The Wii can do everythingthe GC doesand more and will have new games for 5 years. But if you buy a cheap GC off ebay or something it's not a bad deal. And I'm sure they will eventually bundle real games. I bought my GC when it was bundled with the original Metroid Prime at $150. Minus the $50 game and I basically payed $100 for my GC over 4 years ago; the same price it is now.
Rocky32189
Also I want to point out that while the gamecube has been $100 for three years, the value goes back up over time since game prices drop and demand will rise and so the console demand will rise a bit too. In addition gamecube's will be harder to find and there are many collectors and people who just want an extra one so the $100 price is perfect. $79 would be better but why ruin a good thing? They don't want to devalue their products.
Also, when you say new games are coming out, most of it has been done. To those who can't get MP3, MP1/2 will do just fine and the only difference in games today are graphics, not gameplay and if you want great graphics get an xbox. If you want gameplay GC should do. If you care for motion controllers get a Wii. But I doubt that future games will have more appeal than current GC games. Why do I feel that a good number of people are using their GC controllers on their Wii? What's the purpose in that?
i've NEVER seen this occur within the gaming industry. i think you may be referring to cars? classics? lol...I don't care. You've also just simply said in other topics that the GC has very few good third-party games, meaning you were talking about both exclusive and non-exclusive third-party. Most will agree with me that the third-party GC games I listed are great, and that's plenty of games right there and doesn't include all the great first and second-party GC games.
Of course Gamecube had some good third party games and even some good third party exclusives but the other systems had so much more to offer in both departments. And exclusives are what get people to buy your system over another.
Out of the few exclusives you listed, 2 were Baten Kaitos games, 2 were Harvest Moon, 2 were Star Wars, 3 were Wrestling, and 3 were published by Nintendo. Very little variety there.
You IMPLIED it with all the GC bashing and PS2 prasing you've done.
I'm not bashing the Gamecube, I'm criticizing it. I love the system though I thought Nintendo should have done a few things differently.If you want to see bashing just look at Casiotech's Wii hatred.
I'm not trying to praise the PS2 either. I'm using it to draw comparisons. Showing the things Sony did right helps accentuate the things Nintendo did wrong. There are criticisms I have with PS2 but why would I post them here?
You think the 3rd party support for the wii will be any better? As soon as the ps3 takes off. Good bye 3rd party wii games.
Third party support for the Wii is already showing to be better than the Gamecube. Just look at this fall. PS3 third party support is only getting worse. They have lost all good exclusives and companies are looking elsewhere when they see the horrible sales and high development costs. The Wii costs much less to develop for and is in the homes of many more people. It's a no brainer. And what makes you think the PS3 will ever take off? Especially considering the 360 has all its games with equal or better graphics and framerates, many more games, and is almost half the price.
You enjoy making up stuff to annoy everyone. 15 pages for a library that's over 3000 games compared to one of 5 1/2 500 means that the ps2 fails in ratio which is all that matters.
Come up with a better argument or just admit you are wrong. What does ratio have to do with anything? No one is making you play the bad games. Play the good ones, which there are three times as many for PS2 as GC.
The xbox didn't outsell the ps2 because ppl didn't have a mind of their own and just bought what their friends owned.
That's just another horrible argument that isn't substantiated by anything. It is pure speculation.
Fan base doesn't mean that the system or games are better.
Not necessarily of course but people will buy the system that they believe is the best and has the best games. Also, as I showed you with the PS2 vs. GC Top games on Gamespot, the reviewers agree too.
There are no ps2 games that run like Ninja Gaiden, Halo2 or DOA3. God of War was okay but no XBOX game.
You are right, yet God of War 1 and 2 were better games than all three of those. That is because gameplay is paramount. Graphics only enhance games.
Ps. Twilight princess for Wii sucked because they made Link right handed. Left handers holler'.
Okay, it sucked because the character was right-handed? You're joking right? What about the more accurate and comfortable controls? Do those matter?
I don't care. You've also just simply said in other topics that the GC has very few good third-party games, meaning you were talking about both exclusive and non-exclusive third-party. Most will agree with me that the third-party GC games I listed are great, and that's plenty of games right there and doesn't include all the great first and second-party GC games.
Of course Gamecube had some good third party games and even some good third party exclusives but the other systems had so much more to offer in both departments. And exclusives are what get people to buy your system over another.
Out of the few exclusives you listed, 2 were Baten Kaitos games, 2 were Harvest Moon, 2 were Star Wars, 3 were Wrestling, and 3 were published by Nintendo. Very little variety there.
You IMPLIED it with all the GC bashing and PS2 prasing you've done.
I'm not bashing the Gamecube, I'm criticizing it. I love the system though I thought Nintendo should have done a few things differently.If you want to see bashing just look at Casiotech's Wii hatred.
I'm not trying to praise the PS2 either. I'm using it to draw comparisons. Showing the things Sony did right helps accentuate the things Nintendo did wrong. There are criticisms I have with PS2 but why would I post them here?
You think the 3rd party support for the wii will be any better? As soon as the ps3 takes off. Good bye 3rd party wii games.
Third party support for the Wii is already showing to be better than the Gamecube. Just look at this fall. PS3 third party support is only getting worse. They have lost all good exclusives and companies are looking elsewhere when they see the horrible sales and high development costs. The Wii costs much less to develop for and is in the homes of many more people. It's a no brainer. And what makes you think the PS3 will ever take off? Especially considering the 360 has all its games with equal or better graphics and framerates, many more games, and is almost half the price.
You enjoy making up stuff to annoy everyone. 15 pages for a library that's over 3000 games compared to one of 5 1/2 500 means that the ps2 fails in ratio which is all that matters.
Come up with a better argument or just admit you are wrong. What does ratio have to do with anything? No one is making you play the bad games. Play the good ones, which there are three times as many for PS2 as GC.
The xbox didn't outsell the ps2 because ppl didn't have a mind of their own and just bought what their friends owned.
That's just another horrible argument that isn't substantiated by anything. It is pure speculation.
Fan base doesn't mean that the system or games are better.
Not necessarily of course but people will buy the system that they believe is the best and has the best games. Also, as I showed you with the PS2 vs. GC Top games on Gamespot, the reviewers agree too.
There are no ps2 games that run like Ninja Gaiden, Halo2 or DOA3. God of War was okay but no XBOX game.
You are right, yet God of War 1 and 2 were better games than all three of those. That is because gameplay is paramount. Graphics only enhance games.
Ps. Twilight princess for Wii sucked because they made Link right handed. Left handers holler'.
Okay, it sucked because the character was right-handed? You're joking right? What about the more accurate and comfortable controls? Do those matter?
Rocky32189
I'm not trying to praise the PS2 either.
more like defendingthe ps2after his rants about ps2 sucks at everything except for sucking.
Third party support for the Wii is already showing to be better than the Gamecube. Just look at this fall. PS3 third party support is only getting worse. They have lost all good exclusives and companies are looking elsewhere when they see the horrible sales and high development costs. The Wii costs much less to develop for and is in the homes of many more people. It's a no brainer. And what makes you think the PS3 will ever take off? Especially considering the 360 has all its games with equal or better graphics and framerates, many more games, and is almost half the price.
very true there are a ton of DIFFERENT 3rd party games for the wii coming out this fall and 2008. more then the gamecube 3rd party exclusives he listed. Also The ps3's exclusives are all going multiplat with the xbox and even the PC!!!! at this reate i dnt see why anyone wouldnt buy a 360 because instead of a ps3 cause its at a lower price so you pretty much get discounted in a sense.
Come up with a better argument or just admit you are wrong. What does ratio have to do with anything? No one is making you play the bad games. Play the good ones, which there are three times as many for PS2 as GC.
yeah i tried telling him ratios of good games on the system compared to bad on the system dont matter. He doesnt listen his thinks that goodgames for ps2/good games for gamecube is unimportant.
You are right, yet God of War 1 and 2 were better games than all three of those. That is because gameplay is paramount. Graphics only enhance games.
i thought that Ninja Gaiden had clunky camera controls it was good but i prefer god of war; also if youre not a big fan of shooters, sports, racing,or fighting games then xbox may not intrest you(not you specifically you as in general)as much.
Okay, it sucked because the character was right-handed? You're joking right? What about the more accurate and comfortable controls? Do those matter.
its like saying i hate the original zelda cause you dnt know if hes left handed.
This topic as really failed...................
I don't care. You've also just simply said in other topics that the GC has very few good third-party games, meaning you were talking about both exclusive and non-exclusive third-party. Most will agree with me that the third-party GC games I listed are great, and that's plenty of games right there and doesn't include all the great first and second-party GC games.
Of course Gamecube had some good third party games and even some good third party exclusives but the other systems had so much more to offer in both departments. And exclusives are what get people to buy your system over another.
Out of the few exclusives you listed, 2 were Baten Kaitos games, 2 were Harvest Moon, 2 were Star Wars, 3 were Wrestling, and 3 were published by Nintendo. Very little variety there.
You IMPLIED it with all the GC bashing and PS2 prasing you've done.
I'm not bashing the Gamecube, I'm criticizing it. I love the system though I thought Nintendo should have done a few things differently.If you want to see bashing just look at Casiotech's Wii hatred.
I'm not trying to praise the PS2 either. I'm using it to draw comparisons. Showing the things Sony did right helps accentuate the things Nintendo did wrong. There are criticisms I have with PS2 but why would I post them here?
You think the 3rd party support for the wii will be any better? As soon as the ps3 takes off. Good bye 3rd party wii games.
Third party support for the Wii is already showing to be better than the Gamecube. Just look at this fall. PS3 third party support is only getting worse. They have lost all good exclusives and companies are looking elsewhere when they see the horrible sales and high development costs. The Wii costs much less to develop for and is in the homes of many more people. It's a no brainer. And what makes you think the PS3 will ever take off? Especially considering the 360 has all its games with equal or better graphics and framerates, many more games, and is almost half the price.
You enjoy making up stuff to annoy everyone. 15 pages for a library that's over 3000 games compared to one of 5 1/2 500 means that the ps2 fails in ratio which is all that matters.
Come up with a better argument or just admit you are wrong. What does ratio have to do with anything? No one is making you play the bad games. Play the good ones, which there are three times as many for PS2 as GC.
The xbox didn't outsell the ps2 because ppl didn't have a mind of their own and just bought what their friends owned.
That's just another horrible argument that isn't substantiated by anything. It is pure speculation.
Fan base doesn't mean that the system or games are better.
Not necessarily of course but people will buy the system that they believe is the best and has the best games. Also, as I showed you with the PS2 vs. GC Top games on Gamespot, the reviewers agree too.
There are no ps2 games that run like Ninja Gaiden, Halo2 or DOA3. God of War was okay but no XBOX game.
You are right, yet God of War 1 and 2 were better games than all three of those. That is because gameplay is paramount. Graphics only enhance games.
Ps. Twilight princess for Wii sucked because they made Link right handed. Left handers holler'.
Okay, it sucked because the character was right-handed? You're joking right? What about the more accurate and comfortable controls? Do those matter?
Rocky32189
JEsus why do you reply when you are outnumbered and wrong? WHere in your fantasy world do you see a half priced 360??? How about gettting a 'decent' xbox (elite) costs $450, vs. the PS3 $500? Can you do math? Where is the half price?
Again, you would have to be good at math to realize that for every 6 bad ps2 games, there is one great one whereas the GC for every 3 there is one GREAT one. All that matters is the ratio when you grow up (oh wait you are already 21) you will realize that percentage of good to bad is all that matters.
God of war wasn't better than any, not gameplay, not GRAPHICS. The graphics were subpar XBOX. Graphics make the games, go back to mario NES. Gameplay was established YEARS ago. Now, they take those great gameplay structures and apply the great next gen graphics. Something that won't happen to Wii games, unfortunately.
Link Is left handed. Period. Anything else is a joke. He was a left handed since day one. Yes, what about comfort? I am left handed, so the wii blows for that.
you keep talking about great gameplay being all that matters?Then why did you even buy a wii? Why aren't you playing your old NES or SNES/ ps1, ps2, gameboy color? Surely of the 5000 games in that library you would have enough fun. And don't say because you get to browse the net, or have motion fun because that's all a smoke screen to you really just wanting a cheap next gen console that has better graphics and new games.
JEsus why do you reply when you are outnumbered and wrong?
Because I'm not outnumbered and I'm not wrong.
WHere in your fantasy world do you see a half priced 360???
I said about half price. The 360 costs $350. The PS3 will soon only be available for $600 when the 60GB stock is gone (if it ever sells).
Again, you would have to be good at math to realize that for every 6 bad ps2 games, there is one great one whereas the GC for every 3 there is one GREAT one. All that matters is the ratio
Wow, you seriously have no clue what you're talking about. What do ratios have to do with anything if I'm only going to play the good games? You just admitted that you are wrong and the PS2 has more good games.
oh wait you are already 21
Actually, I'm not and I have no clue where you keep getting that from. How old are you, 12? I think that may be too generous given your maturity level.
Graphics make the games
Yeah, you really have no clue what you're talking about... Guess I was right...
Gameplay was established YEARS ago
Gameplay can be expanded upon...
JEsus why do you reply when you are outnumbered and wrong?
Because I'm not outnumbered and I'm not wrong.
WHere in your fantasy world do you see a half priced 360???
I said about half price. The 360 costs $350. The PS3 will soon only be available for $600 when the 60GB stock is gone (if it ever sells).
Again, you would have to be good at math to realize that for every 6 bad ps2 games, there is one great one whereas the GC for every 3 there is one GREAT one. All that matters is the ratio
Wow, you seriously have no clue what you're talking about. What do ratios have to do with anything if I'm only going to play the good games? You just admitted that you are wrong and the PS2 has more good games.
oh wait you are already 21
Actually, I'm not and I have no clue where you keep getting that from. How old are you, 12? I think that may be too generous given your maturity level.
Graphics make the games
Yeah, you really have no clue what you're talking about... Guess I was right...
Gameplay was established YEARS ago
Gameplay can be expanded upon...
Rocky32189
U are 21 because I looked into it. The PS3 is $500 right how and there will always be a $500 model. You can't just play all the good games? Even if you could, who cares? All the ps2's games are all the same, if you seen one you have seen them all. Ratio matters, again, because the GC released their games in smaller scale but when they did, their games released were given better ratings on average and therefore the quality of their games are higher. Ever heard of quality over quantiity? You never wrote anything back when I wrote that all 3rd party games that are on both systems run MUCH better on GC.
you keep talking about great gameplay being all that matters?Then why did you even buy a wii?
To play all the good new games as well as the old ones, duh.
Why aren't you playing your old NES or SNES/ ps1, ps2, gameboy color?
I do once in a while when I'm not playing newgames. Unlike you I think games can still be good when their graphics become outdated.
And don't say because you get to browse the net, or have motion fun because that's all a smoke screen to you really just wanting a cheap next gen console that has better graphics and new games.
You act like there is something stopping me from buying a 360 or PS3. I work and could go buy them both tomorrow. I'll probably buy the 360 this winter since it actually has some exclusives as well as all the PS3 games with more features and equal or better graphics/framerates.
U are 21 because I looked into it.
Yep, okay keep telling yourself that. I actually findthis comical to be honest. It's not that you're far off, I just find it hilarious that you think you know me.
The PS3 is $500 right how and there will always be a $500 model.
You are dead wrong. Once the 60GB models sell out the only model available with be the $600 80GB models. They are no longer producing the 60GB models.
Ever heard of quality over quantiity?
Yep. The PS2 not only has a higher quantity but much more quality as well.
You never wrote anything back when I wrote that all 3rd party games that are on both systems run MUCH better on GC.
Not all of them do and most third party games aren't even on the Gamecube, they were on PS2 and Xbox.
when they stop selling 60, then 80 becomes $500 that's how these things work. BY that time they will have newer features.
READ: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2087327
I made that for you. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
And whatever 3rd party games were on all 3. The GC was always better than the ps2 and worse than xbox except a few games where the gamecube was above all. There was never any game that was best on the PS2. And big deal, your cashier job gives you enough money to buy a PS3? So what, doesn't mean you will spend your hard earned money that took your two years to earn just because you 'can'. You want a deal. Just because I don't get it, the average joe does.
wii fails miserably....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2070189
Now you can crawl back in your hole and stop pretending okay?
Casiotech
Alright, Casiotech. What do you think the Wii's greatest weakness is? For that matter the Gamecube's. I think every system belongs in respect to all other consoles. And every console has a weakness.
Xbox 360: Fails often due to hard-drive problems.
PS3: Minor defects such as the pricing
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Gamecube: Doesn't host some of the good games of the Xbox or PS2. (Which is to be expected, they are different companies after all :P)
Well I can't really determine the other two last-gen systems problems......I never really played them that much.But like you said: "It totally pwns the ps2." That is your opinion, others may not agree but that is their opinion. Every system holds an advantage over the other. So therefore every system deserves respect. I'm not saying that you don't respect the other systems but,wouldn't you agree that every console calls for respect?
[QUOTE="Casiotech"]wii fails miserably....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2070189
Now you can crawl back in your hole and stop pretending okay?
ShadowofTulkas
Alright, Casiotech. What do you think the Wii's greatest weakness is? For that matter the Gamecube's. I think every system belongs in respect to all other consoles. And every console has a weakness.
Xbox 360: Fails often due to hard-drive problems.
PS3: Minor defects such as the pricing
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Gamecube: Doesn't host some of the good games of the Xbox or PS2. (Which is to be expected, they are different companies after all :P)
Well I can't really determine the other two last-gen systems problems......I never really played them that much.But like you said: "It totally pwns the ps2." That is your opinion, others may not agree but that is their opinion. Every system holds an advantage over the other. So therefore every system deserves respect. I'm not saying that you don't respect the other systems but,wouldn't you agree that every console calls for respect?
[QUOTE="Casiotech"]wii fails miserably....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2070189
Now you can crawl back in your hole and stop pretending okay?
ShadowofTulkas
Alright, Casiotech. What do you think the Wii's greatest weakness is? For that matter the Gamecube's. I think every system belongs in respect to all other consoles. And every console has a weakness.
Xbox 360: Fails often due to hard-drive problems.
PS3: Minor defects such as the pricing
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Gamecube: Doesn't host some of the good games of the Xbox or PS2. (Which is to be expected, they are different companies after all :P)
Well I can't really determine the other two last-gen systems problems......I never really played them that much.But like you said: "It totally pwns the ps2." That is your opinion, others may not agree but that is their opinion. Every system holds an advantage over the other. So therefore every system deserves respect. I'm not saying that you don't respect the other systems but,wouldn't you agree that every console calls for respect?
What is it with the pricing? Millions of PS3's sold this month because they had a sonystyle deal to get it for $350. Given playing a game for the PS2 with bugs, bad graphics and bad framerates (bad graphics are one thing but when the game is choppy and makes you want to vomit like a lot of PS2 games, it's a problem.) Sure PS2 was good, at playing DVD's and RPG's which bore me. Otherwise, great system, /sarcasm.
[QUOTE="ShadowofTulkas"][QUOTE="Casiotech"]wii fails miserably....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2070189
Now you can crawl back in your hole and stop pretending okay?
Casiotech
Alright, Casiotech. What do you think the Wii's greatest weakness is? For that matter the Gamecube's. I think every system belongs in respect to all other consoles. And every console has a weakness.
Xbox 360: Fails often due to hard-drive problems.
PS3: Minor defects such as the pricing
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Gamecube: Doesn't host some of the good games of the Xbox or PS2. (Which is to be expected, they are different companies after all :P)
Well I can't really determine the other two last-gen systems problems......I never really played them that much.But like you said: "It totally pwns the ps2." That is your opinion, others may not agree but that is their opinion. Every system holds an advantage over the other. So therefore every system deserves respect. I'm not saying that you don't respect the other systems but,wouldn't you agree that every console calls for respect?
[QUOTE="Casiotech"]wii fails miserably....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2070189
Now you can crawl back in your hole and stop pretending okay?
ShadowofTulkas
Alright, Casiotech. What do you think the Wii's greatest weakness is? For that matter the Gamecube's. I think every system belongs in respect to all other consoles. And every console has a weakness.
Xbox 360: Fails often due to hard-drive problems.
PS3: Minor defects such as the pricing
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Gamecube: Doesn't host some of the good games of the Xbox or PS2. (Which is to be expected, they are different companies after all :P)
Well I can't really determine the other two last-gen systems problems......I never really played them that much.But like you said: "It totally pwns the ps2." That is your opinion, others may not agree but that is their opinion. Every system holds an advantage over the other. So therefore every system deserves respect. I'm not saying that you don't respect the other systems but,wouldn't you agree that every console calls for respect?
What is it with the pricing? Millions of PS3's sold this month because they had a sonystyle deal to get it for $350. Given playing a game for the PS2 with bugs, bad graphics and bad framerates (bad graphics are one thing but when the game is choppy and makes you want to vomit like a lot of PS2 games, it's a problem.) Sure PS2 was good, at playing DVD's and RPG's which bore me. Otherwise, great system, /sarcasm.
What?! Sony is making a deal to sell PS3's for $350 dollars?! Wow. That is what I call slashing prices! :DI still won't be getting on board with Sonythough. :? Alright so your point is that PS2, as far as your concerned is lesser than the Gamecube correct? In some aspects I think it is. But in some others the system has it's advantages. Like I said before every console has it's strengths and weaknesses. However i'm more for Nintendo then I will ever be for Sony.
I would probably accept a ps3 if someone just came up and handed me one.... i wouldnt play it as much i would as if someone would come up and give me a wii.
PS3 games that look interesting to me.
Ratchet and clank futures
Heveanly Sword
....... ummmm I'm thinking, can you help me out..... i cant think of any other ps3 games (im being honest) that i would want to play these are the exclusives by the way excluding the games that maybe be also on pc
Xbox 360 games i would play if someone gave me a 360 for free
Bio Shock
Gears of War
Banjo Kazooie
Dead rising
Halo 3
Kameo
Lost oddesy
Lost PLanet
Viva Pinata
most of those are shooters too.
if someone came up and gave me a wii there are titles like
Animal Crossing
Dewys Adventure (3rd party)
Dragon Quest Swords(3rd party)
Elebits(3rd party)
Endless Ocean(3rd party)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles(3rd party)
Twilight Princess (its multiplatform but just with another nintendo console and i prefer this version)
Mario Kart
Metroid Prime 3
NiGHTS(3rd party)
No More Heroes(3rd party)
Resident Evil UC(3rd party)
Sonic and the Secret rings(3rd party)
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Wario Ware
Zack and wiki(3rd party)
im pretty sure all the games i labeled as 3rd party games are third party games(and exclusive). please correct me if im wrong.
Ill buy a ps3 when
1. it gets lowered in price instead of thelimited $500(sony already saidthey're justtrying to move stock of the 20 gigsoffer, and then theyre raising the priceback to 600 when the 60 gigs come in.i want it atlike $450 or something maybe $400
2. i want it to have more games and better exclusives.(if the price becomes lower then the 360 then ill plan on buying the ps3 to get a better deal on thosemultiplat [ps3, 360]games, but thats afteri geta wii) cause right now im more tempted to just buy a 360 instead of a ps3 cause its cheaper and its pretty much a discount off themultiplat games. (i see it like that anyways)
If youre talking about next gen systems and all your trying to do is make a point of how crappy the wii is. why do you keep bringing up the ps2???
when they stop selling 60, then 80 becomes $500 that's how these things work. BY that time they will have newer features.
Sony never officially announced that.
And whatever 3rd party games were on all 3. The GC was always better than the ps2 and worse than xbox except a few games where the gamecube was above all. There was never any game that was best on the PS2.
Big deal. How about all the amazing exclusives PS2 had? PS2 had so much more to offer in every category and that is why it is the most successful system of all time.
And big deal, your cashier job gives you enough money to buy a PS3?
Stop acting like you know me. First you label me with an incorrect age and now an incorrect profession.
What is it with the pricing? Millions of PS3's sold this month because they had a sonystyle deal to get it for $350.
One website means nothing and millions of PS3's have not sold this month. The only reason Sony keeps lowering the price because they know they made mistakes and they know their system is a rip-off right now especially considering it's selling poorly.
Given playing a game for the PS2 with bugs, bad graphics and bad framerates (bad graphics are one thing but when the game is choppy and makes you want to vomit like a lot of PS2 games, it's a problem.)
You're overreacting and graphics don't mean anything. You can't play graphics. Just because a system's graphics become obsolete, doesn't mean the games are no longer fun. I guess in your opinion the Gamecube and Xbox suck because you own a PS3.
There are criticisms I have with PS2 but why would I post them here?
Why not? You're talking about the Wii, even though this is the GameCube board.
Out of the few exclusives you listed, 2 were Baten Kaitos games, 2 were Harvest Moon, 2 were Star Wars, 3 were Wrestling, and 3 were published by Nintendo. Very little variety there.
And then there's REmake, RE0, Eternal Darkness, Pac-Man Vs., WWE WrestleMania XIX, and Star Fox: Assault. 8 of the games being published by Nintendo does not change the fact that they're third-party games. Also, you're forgetting Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Tales of Symphonia, Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution, and Ikaruga. They're also third-party GC exclusives. Therefore, there's much more than a few third-party GC exclusives, and far more than just a little variety.
Other third-party GC exclusives that haven't been mentioned are BeyBlade: Super Tournament Battle, Cubivore, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, Donkey Konga, Donkey Konga 2, Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg, Beach Spikers, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Go! Go! Hypergrind, Gotcha Force, Home Run King, Lost Kingdoms, Lost Kingdoms 2, Odama, P.N.03, Swingerz Golf, and Zoids: Battle Legends.
Again, you would have to be good at math to realize that for every 6 bad ps2 games, there is one great one whereas the GC for every 3 there is one GREAT one. All that matters is the ratio when you grow up (oh wait you are already 21) you will realize that percentage of good to bad is all that matters.
Are you serious? I don't think it matters at all. If console A has 10 games and 90% are AAA games, that's 9 good games I can play on console A. If console B has 100 games and only 20% are AAA games, I can play 20 good games on it. I care about HOW MANY good games a console has. The ratio doesn't make a console any more fun for me. Having more good games does. That's all I care about.
Given playing a game for the PS2 with bugs, bad graphics and bad framerates (bad graphics are one thing but when the game is choppy and makes you want to vomit like a lot of PS2 games, it's a problem.)
You're overreacting and graphics don't mean anything. You can't play graphics. Just because a system's graphics become obsolete, doesn't mean the games are no longer fun. I guess in your opinion the Gamecube and Xbox suck because you own a PS3.
I actually think graphics matter a lot. I wouldn't have nearly as much fun with metroid as I am now without the stunning graphics. Same with RE4. But I agree, that is way overreacting. PS2 had more good games dude, but GC had a lot too. Enjoy them and deal with the fact that GC lost. I am.
Wii: Graphics are lesser when compared to the Xbox/PS3
Actually graphics are my last problem with the Wii. The worst by far is not being able to play multiplats no it. Assassin's Creed :(. Second is online. As of now it's horrible and even when it gets more games, the experience is still not even close to the immerisive experiences of live or even PSN. You can't even talk to your friends when playing, you can't see them or communicate with them. In games like MoH that will especially be horrible b/c half the fun of the game is to talk and make strategies to take the opposition out. Without talking or seeing your opponents, the online is pretty much like CPU for me. Where is the online experience nintendo????? :(
Why not? You're talking about the Wii, even though this is the GameCube board.
Fine, if you want me to so bad, I will:
My main gripe with the PS2 was the rate of hardware failure on early machines. Disc Read Error problems were fairly common and reliability was never up to par with Nintendo. That's the only thing I can think of that Sony screwed up on the PS2 last gen. If you can think of any others, feel free to post.
I was dissapointed with the Gamecube's third party support and Nintendo's lackadaisical attitiude towards securing great third party exclusives. I also didn't like Nintendo's stubborness and refusal to take the system online even though they released a broadband adapter. I was also a bit annoyed that Nintendo didn't make any actions to shake their kiddy image.
I am dissapointed with the Wii's online service and Nintendo's reliance on friend codes. I am also annoyed the system didn't ship with a hard drive and Nintendo is reluctant to release an external hard drive.
Even though I love these three system, I can criticize what I feel are their weaknesses. Looking on with blind support is never a good thing. Being vocal about your feelings and criticisms is what drives a company to try harder and release higher quality products.
And then there's REmake, RE0, Eternal Darkness, Pac-Man Vs., WWE WrestleMania XIX, and Star Fox: Assault. 8 of the games being published by Nintendo does not change the fact that they're third-party games. Also, you're forgetting Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Tales of Symphonia, Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution, and Ikaruga. They're also third-party GC exclusives. Therefore, there's much more than a few third-party GC exclusives, and far more than just a little variety.
Other third-party GC exclusives that haven't been mentioned are BeyBlade: Super Tournament Battle, Cubivore, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, Donkey Konga, Donkey Konga 2, Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg, Beach Spikers, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Go! Go! Hypergrind, Gotcha Force, Home Run King, Lost Kingdoms, Lost Kingdoms 2, Odama, P.N.03, Swingerz Golf, and Zoids: Battle Legends.
Most of those games are average or below average... But if you want to list games, I could make a list of PS2 third party exclusives that dwarfs that list in both size and quality.
It may be an opinion that the PS2 has more good games but it is a fact that the PS2 has more critically acclaimed games than the Gamecube. Just look no further than sites like Gamespot, IGN, Gamerankings, etc. Look at the links I gave you from Gamespot's top games. The PS2 had 3 times as many games rated above 7.0 as the Gamecube. You will find this at any game review site/magazine. It has more third party games and more critically acclaimed third party games.It is also has more exclusives and more critically acclaimed exclusives. The first party games were also very good and can stand toe to toe with what Nintendo is offering (even though I prefer Nintendo's first party offering). It also has more variety and more games for every type of gamer.
I actually think graphics matter a lot.
The point I'm trying to make is that gameplay is of highest importance. Graphics can enhance a game but do not make a game good. He's trying to make the point that the PS2 sucked just because it was the least powerful and the same with the Wii.
PS2 had more good games dude, but GC had a lot too.
Absolutely, of course. Gamecube had lots of great games and was the host to my favorite console game of all time, Metroid Prime.
PS2 had more good games dude, but GC had a lot too.
yeah, we keep trying to tell him PS2 has lots of great games (and more great games). But he never listens. He's a Flamer. But like you say GameCube does have lots of great games too.
You know, Nintendogamer, you probably shouldn't be trying too hard to prove the merits of GC 3rd-party exclusives, because there weren't all that many... when I saw your list, I looked at my shelf of GC games to try to find quality 3rd party exclusives that you didn't list, but most of them were multiplats... I have maybe 2 3rd-party exclusives, at most. The fact is that 3rd-party exclusives just wasn't a strength of the GC. But who says you need 3rd party exclusives anyways? 3rd party multiplats and 1st party exclusives were enough to make the Gamecube a success for me...
Switching directions, what's up with this whole "PS2 has more good games than the Gamecube so it wins" argument? Sure, the PS2 has more good games... but I didn't have a problem with finding good games to get on the Gamecube, and unless you get an extremely large amount of games I doubt you'd run out of quality GC titles. 1/3 to 1/2 of my GC library is AAA games, with most of the others being AA - if I had gotten a PS2, I would probably have the same amount of titles with the same average score. Although my 30-game GC collection is small compared to many peoples' (although I'm extremely selective about what I buy), there are plenty of quality GC games I didn't pick up.
Have fun arguing with this post... no matter which side you're on, you'll only be able to bash half of it. :P
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