Adam Sessler "Uncomfortable" by Resident Evil 5

[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

GrindingAxe

*applause*

I almost cried after I read that. It is exactly what I wanted to say, but you said it a lot better. I too *applaud*. Too bad 90% of gamespot users are too incompetent to even comprehend what you said. Even then they are too "politically correct" to agree.

Wow.. Such a bold insult to so many people that you know nothing about.

I have been reading these forums for a long time. I may not know everyone personally, but I can tell you 90% of the population would blindly agree with Adam or for the reason that gameguy pointed out. Many users would simply dismiss a great post as this.

I really dislike that, at the end of his argument, Adam Sassler inanely commented on extreme forms of racism on the internet, implying that the counter arguments to the claim that Resident Evil 5 is racist, stems from the fact that the people saying it are in fact racist.

That's a really immature method to argue your point.

Also, as far as I know the only parts of Africa with substantial white populations are South Africa, Namibia, and Zimbabwe. That said whites are still quite the minority in all of those countries, 9.2%, 5%, and 5.5% (at its peak) respectively. That's hardly what I would call "a lot". Indeed, South Africa has the largest white population on the continent so I think we can safely say that there are, contrary to what you want to believe, not a lot of areas in Africa with white people.

gameguy6700

Is "white" means European? What about North Africa where a significant population is considered Arab? Are Arabs not considered "whites"?

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Also, as far as I know the only parts of Africa with substantial white populations are South Africa, Namibia, and Zimbabwe. That said whites are still quite the minority in all of those countries, 9.2%, 5%, and 5.5% (at its peak) respectively. That's hardly what I would call "a lot". Indeed, South Africa has the largest white population on the continent so I think we can safely say that there are, contrary to what you want to believe, not a lot of areas in Africa with white people.

onesimos

Is "white" means European? What about North Africa where a significant population is considered Arab? Are Arabs not considered "whites"?

Depends on your definition of "white". I'm operating on a definition of European decent, thus disqualifying Hispanics and Arabs which is the way most people use the word "white" when referring to ethnicity. If you wish to include those groups then the term "caucasian" is what you were looking for.

To point out why this isn't me just being a prick about semantics: If this game had Chris shooting Arab zombies instead of black zombies I assure you that the controversy would be just as bad, if not worse, than the current situation due to the political climate.

As for your notion that because we have been mistreated in that past, blacks shouldn't be excluded from certain parts... I suppose you and Sessler's intentions are 'nobler' but you two and the most vehement racists have the same goals.

CarnageHeart

*Standing ovation*

Too bad they don't have a logic and common sense course in college, we'd have less crap like the RE5 racism claims. I must also say, it's worth keeping an eye on these forums just to watch Grammaton Cleric in action, I love watching arrogant pseudo intellectual contrarians get mowed down like overgrown weeds. Too bad the overbearing ToS of these forums sometimes come crashing down on him, when the only people it should really punish are people like oldogg.

Adam Sessler using a hot-topic non-issue to get more hits? No way...TheCrazed420

G4 is such complete filth that he knows full well he'll never be able to obtain employment with any major website or magazine that covers videogames once it inevitably comes crashing down, due to the permanent taint it will leave on him. So yeah, he's probably pretty desperate to get as many viewers and hits as he can now.

I really dislike that, at the end of his argument, Adam Sassler inanely commented on extreme forms of racism on the internet, implying that the counter arguments to the claim that Resident Evil 5 is racist, stems from the fact that the people saying it are in fact racist.

That's a really immature method to argue your point.

MetalGear_Ninty

Yeah, I know. Seriously, hasn't he ever been on youtube or Xbox live? You hear a lot of obscene comments on the internet. It's a shame him and N'Gai Croal dismiss the arguments in their entirety because of what a few people say.

He did make one good point and that is that the Japanese have had a history or portryaing African American's in a pretty stereotypical and often offensive manner.

I don't have an issue with the premise of the game but I have to admit I'm preparing myself to deal with many of the cheesy stereo types about black people that are pervasive in Asian made games.

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

rob1101

*applause*

I almost cried after I read that. It is exactly what I wanted to say, but you said it a lot better. I too *applaud*. Too bad 90% of gamespot users are too incompetent to even comprehend what you said. Even then they are too "politically correct" to agree.

Wow.. Such a bold insult to so many people that you know nothing about.

I have been reading these forums for a long time. I may not know everyone personally, but I can tell you 90% of the population would blindly agree with Adam or for the reason that gameguy pointed out. Many users would simply dismiss a great post as this.

To the contrary, I think the vast majority of people will take the game for what it is (as long as the game isn't just stereotype filled nonsense)

*Adds Sessler to the list of loons, kooks, has-beens, never-weres, and nutjobs that are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances*

Sad thing is, the list keeps getting longer.

*Adds Sessler to the list of loons, kooks, has-beens, never-weres, and nutjobs that are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances*

Sad thing is, the list keeps getting longer.

Shame-usBlackley

Don't forget Newsweek's N'Gai Croal, there was a entire interview that he did that revolved RE5's whole race controversy.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

OneWingedAngeI

*applause*

*continues applause*

[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

another case of something which is not and was never intended to be racist that gets turned into something racist by an overly pc media. adam sessler needs to remove his head from his ass.

H3LLRaiseR

So if someone takes artful nudes of prepubescent children with no intention of it being child pornography, does it make wrong that such images would make people uncomfortable because they could be perceived as child pornography just because vocal fans of photography say it is?

You're talking about two completely different subjects. Nude images of children are never acceptable, its illegal, and those people will be uncomfortable seeing any children naked. Its not a case where they just have a problem with naked black kids.

If Adam were saying that he is uncomfortable killing people in videogames, I could respect that opinion much more. Instead he's trying to make exceptions and force something into an issue of racism when it isn't. That type of thinking and false whistle blowing is incredibly destructive to race relations.

I'm starting to wonder, as a black man, should I feel like I'm committing a hate crime everytime I kill a white person in a videogame?

Yes, two completely different subjects. I won't deny that. But they are analogous. In what way?

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

*Adds Sessler to the list of loons, kooks, has-beens, never-weres, and nutjobs that are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances*

Sad thing is, the list keeps getting longer.

viewtiful26

Don't forget Newsweek's N'Gai Croal, there was a entire interview that he did that revolved RE5's whole race controversy.

He was added weeks ago. ;)

There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

gameguy6700

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

innocent until proven guilty. you do not crucify something, especially with such a harsh term as racism, without reasonable evidence, of which there is none.

Yes, two completely different subjects. I won't deny that. But they are analogous. In what way?

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

Darth_Tigris

the images made them uncomfortable, good for them. that does not mean you come out and claim that something is distasteful, and imply racism, when it so clearly is not. so what if you kill africans? the only people who care are those TRYING to link it to racism without any evidence to support it. oh gosh GTA must be terrorist because hey you kill a bunch of american citizens.

people are going to lash out at you when you have a STUPID opinion. sessler is entitled to it but then he has to realize that everyone else is entitled to call him a moron. no one is refusing to accept that he feels that way but for him to put out a video he is subject to all of the backlash that everyone else in every form of the media is subject to. the people he is saying dont feel the same way that are wrong, is Capcom.

finally, no one cares if it makes him uncomfortable. no one should have to tiptoe around because it might remind someone of something bad that happened to some people that do not even exist anymore. actually, to do so, and treat blacks differently because of that, is racism. its no different than something that disabled people tend to dislike, which is being pitied or treated like they cant do things. now we cant have a video game where you kill people who happen to be native to a certain region, and oh yeah, they are the WALKING DEAD. these arent happy african citizens. they want to eat your brains.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

The bold-ed statement is very truthful.

Nobody complained about WW2 games where all you do is shoot japanese and germans.(or at a game that revolves around a historical even that kills tens and tens of millions of people. Jews, russians, chinese, Ukrainians, etc) Not one showing of sensitivity for them. Why? crybaby PC double standards.

Or how about the game GUN in which a part of it has you killing Indians because they are fighting back against settlers.Where is the complaints about that? Why? crybaby PC double standards of the MTV generation. (the generation that so into fighting racism while the music of their generation bathes them in sexism and homophobia. They pretend to care about equality but they just really trying to set up a new standard of stereotypes. They look at a game with out any evidence and judging by the skin color of people in the game make a assumption that they would not make if the skin colors where different. By that they are racist.)

And the fact that the game is being made for profit(making a racist game is such a smart move that a company like capcom would do it to their biggest franchise?) and companies have used wars to sale games it is proof to the point that those complaining about this issue are using selective logic say it is racist.

Nothing about the game so far points to it being racist. (just because it has blacks this time being the "zombie" proves nothing about it being racist. Just exposes people and there double PC standards. Exactly what his bold-ed statement is talking about)

I keep hearing about people should Understand where they are coming from? Right. That the same time of BS that those who defend statements like "white people making the aids virus to kill blacks"" when they know it is nothing but a lie. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

SO understand that people have every right to reject this type of cowardly PC double standard BS for what it is. I don't care about the "anger and emotion" in their eyes, holocaust deniers and racist have the same type of emotional behind their opinions. And I will completely and totally reject it until someone gives one bit of real evidence that the game is trying t be racist, and not some race-baiting PC idiot rants and ravings.

I don't like racism but I know what crap is when i see and hear it.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

OneWingedAngeI

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

innocent until proven guilty. you do not crucify something, especially with such a harsh term as racism, without reasonable evidence, of which there is none.

This aint court so sorry that aint true, plenty of people are crucified in public before they go on trial.

That doesn't have much to do with my response anyways, I was simply saying that before he says that it for sure isn't racist he may want to actually see the game.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Moridin18

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

The bold-ed statement is very truthful.

Nobody complained about WW2 games where all you do is shoot japanese and germans.(or at a game that revolves around a historical even that kills tens and tens of millions of people. Jews, russians, chinese, Ukrainians, etc) Not one showing of sensitivity for them. Why? crybaby PC double standards.

Or how about the game GUN in which a part of it has you killing Indians because they are fighting back against settlers.Where is the complaints about that? Why? crybaby PC double standards of the MTV generation. (the generation that so into fighting racism while the music of their generation bathes them in sexism and homophobia. They pretend to care about equality but they just really trying to set up a new standard of stereotypes. They look at a game with out any evidence and judging by the skin color of people in the game make a assumption that they would not make if the skin colors where different. By that they are racist.)

And the fact that the game is being made for profit(making a racist game is such a smart move that a company like capcom would do it to their biggest franchise?) and companies have used wars to sale games it is proof to the point that those complaining about this issue are using selective logic say it is racist.

Nothing about the game so far points to it being racist. (just because it has blacks this time being the "zombie" proves nothing about it being racist. Just exposes people and there double PC standards. Exactly what his bold-ed statement is talking about)

I keep hearing about people should Understand where they are coming from? Right. That the same time of BS that those who defend statements like "white people making the aids virus to kill blacks"" when they know it is nothing but a lie. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

SO understand that people have every right to reject this type of cowardly PC double standard BS for what it is. I don't care about the "anger and emotion" in their eyes, holocaust deniers and racist have the same type of emotional behind their opinions. And I will completely and totally reject it until someone gives one bit of real evidence that the game is trying t be racist, and not some race-baiting PC idiot rants and ravings.

I don't like racism but I know what crap is when i see and hear it.

I will not be taking any time to read through your post I'll simply say that people can have a number of reasosns for objecting to the subject matter non of which have anything to do with racism.

The original statment was overly broad and rediculous.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

gameguy6700

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

Wait... Sessler's upset and uncomfortable with RE5 footage that he has seen? I don't know about what everyone else saw when viewing RE5 footage but I saw a large group of black people with pitch forks, scythes and torches mobbing up and attacking a lone white guy with the intent of killing him. Yeah I suppose I can see racism in that. I mean if media is going to through down the race card then might as well have it from both sides, right?

I think this whole thing is just absurd. The game isn't even done yet. I hope both N'Gai Croal and Sessler don't have big feet because after this game is done I have a feeling they are both going be sticking them in their mouths.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Moridin18

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Or how about the game GUN in which a part of it has you killing Indians because they are fighting back against settlers.Where is the complaints about that?

GUN did have some controversy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_%28video_game%29#Controversy

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

Your response reeks of ignorance. Japan has a history of showing non-japaness in racist attitudes.(You need a history lesson. Look at World War two and see how racist Japanes where towards others races and other asian groups. And to ignore that historical FACT and yet complain about RE5 only because it has blacks in it????)

NOt one game in which japanese have develolped in which whites where the enemies or the spanish, etc has seen the claims of racism?

No your(and those that think that this is racist or that we should look at this in a different way only becasue of the skin color) selective PCinspired throwing the race card around is silly.

Same bs reasoning that people use to defend "aids was made by white people to kill black people" becasue of Tuskegee.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

innocent until proven guilty. you do not crucify something, especially with such a harsh term as racism, without reasonable evidence, of which there is none.

This aint court so sorry that aint true, plenty of people are crucified in public before they go on trial.

That doesn't have much to do with my response anyways, I was simply saying that before he says that it for sure isn't racist he may want to actually see the game.

i never said it was court, but it is a standard of logic which you should apply when being fair to the situation. people are crying out with no evidence what so ever. people should be given the benefit of the doubt when nothing is known, so yeah it is wrong to cry out against a game, much more so than to defend it from yet unfounded criticism.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

another case of something which is not and was never intended to be racist that gets turned into something racist by an overly pc media. adam sessler needs to remove his head from his ass.

Darth_Tigris

So if someone takes artful nudes of prepubescent children with no intention of it being child pornography, does it make wrong that such images would make people uncomfortable because they could be perceived as child pornography just because vocal fans of photography say it is?

theres a large leap between digital images of the killing a person who happens to be black and digital images of the killing a person because they are black in terms of racism.

and besides, wacking myself in the nuts makes me feel uncomfortable too but i dont shout it for the world to hear. i just dont do it.

But you never answered my question.

i answered it as vaguely as it pertains to the original subject. child porn is illegal. digital images of ficticious characters are legal.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

You're right, we should assume that a game could possibly be racist because it features a single person of one race killing a bunch of people of another race. Furthermore, this possibility can only be dismissed once the entire game is released. So with that and mind, let's see if we can't find some other potentially racist games:

COD5: They said it's going to be set in a "new theater" during WWII which probably means the pacific. Since the game will thus probably feature an army of white men killing an army of Asians I think we should start labeling this game as racist since there's no way to tell whether the Japanese will be portrayed decently in this game.

Left 4 Dead: Nothing but white zombies here so there's a good possibility that this game could be racist. And look at how they portray fat people:

This makes me sick. This game should definitely be boycotted

Prince of Persia: We havent' seen much yet, but judging from the screenshots thus far and the past games I think its safe to say that all you're going to do in this game is mow down hordes of Persians. This is just completely irresponsible, ignorant, and insensitive to Arabs and Persians considering the current political climate. We should all be up in arms over this despite the fact that there's no evidence to suggest any sort of negative portrayal (after all we haven't even seen 1% of the game yet, how could we even try to think that this game couldn't be racist!).

And this is only a sample of all the potentially racist games coming out. Remember: Despite a total lack of evidence we should always assume that a game could be racist. I mean, if we did that can you imagine how many racist games could have been prevented? You know, like RE4 (really? An American that does nothing but go around killing Europeans? You make me sick Capcom), COD2 (just an excuse for gamers to slaughter Germans), and Bioshock (nothing but whites in that game. And look how they're portrayed! They're all self-absorbed, homicidal, insane drug addicts who like to kill little girls).

Oh, and look at these pictures I found of RE2:

BLACK ZOMBIE!!!! But the most damning evidence of all:

Marvin! Yeah, see, the racists at Capcom made a black character in RE2 who's one of the only survivors you find...but then he turns into a zombie and you have to kill him.

SEE?! SEE?! Capcom made us kill black people before (nevemind there were like two of them in the entire game) and now they're going to do it again! Won't anyone stop them?!

Alright, that's about as much acting like a moron that I can take. Hopefully you understand why its pointless to argue that we should take people seriously who say a game they've only seen 1% is racist because we haven't seen the whole thing yet and thus can't be certain that there isn't any racist content in the remaining 99%. If we used that logic then EVERY game featuring human enemies ever released would have been declared a racist game before it was launched.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Moridin18

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

Your response reeks of ignorance. Japan has a history of showing non-japaness in racist attitudes.(You need a history lesson. Look at World War two and see how racist Japanes where towards others races and other asian groups. And to ignore that historical FACT and yet complain about RE5 only because it has blacks in it????)

NOt one game in which japanese have develolped in which whites where the enemies or the spanish, etc has seen the claims of racism?

No your(and those that think that this is racist or that we should look at this in a different way only becasue of the skin color) selective PCinspired throwing the race card around is silly.

Same bs reasoning that people use to defend "aids was made by white people to kill black people" becasue of Tuskegee.

I'm sorry but you must be illiterate. Re read my posts and then come back to me.

[QUOTE="H3LLRaiseR"][QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

another case of something which is not and was never intended to be racist that gets turned into something racist by an overly pc media. adam sessler needs to remove his head from his ass.

Darth_Tigris

So if someone takes artful nudes of prepubescent children with no intention of it being child pornography, does it make wrong that such images would make people uncomfortable because they could be perceived as child pornography just because vocal fans of photography say it is?

You're talking about two completely different subjects. Nude images of children are never acceptable, its illegal, and those people will be uncomfortable seeing any children naked. Its not a case where they just have a problem with naked black kids.

If Adam were saying that he is uncomfortable killing people in videogames, I could respect that opinion much more. Instead he's trying to make exceptions and force something into an issue of racism when it isn't. That type of thinking and false whistle blowing is incredibly destructive to race relations.

I'm starting to wonder, as a black man, should I feel like I'm committing a hate crime everytime I kill a white person in a videogame?

Yes, two completely different subjects. I won't deny that. But they are analogous. In what way?

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

I don't think its analogous at all, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

I have no problem with you, NGai, or Sessler being uncomfortable with RE5. Your racial insecurities are your own burden to bear. When you try to force that burden on everyone else is when I have a problem. Calling the game racist, attempting to create a double standard, and implying censorship... These are the things I have issue with.

No offense, but you seem to be a perfect example of how this can infect other people and warp their opinion of the game. From your own description, race never even crossed your mind while watching the trailer. You heard Ngai rant about how the images are racist, and now youtoo are uncomfortable playing the game. Its essentially manufactured racism. He's making it out of nothing. And thats exactly why this type of thing is so dangerous.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

OneWingedAngeI

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

innocent until proven guilty. you do not crucify something, especially with such a harsh term as racism, without reasonable evidence, of which there is none.

This aint court so sorry that aint true, plenty of people are crucified in public before they go on trial.

That doesn't have much to do with my response anyways, I was simply saying that before he says that it for sure isn't racist he may want to actually see the game.

i never said it was court, but it is a standard of logic which you should apply when being fair to the situation. people are crying out with no evidence what so ever. people should be given the benefit of the doubt when nothing is known, so yeah it is wrong to cry out against a game, much more so than to defend it from yet unfounded criticism.

A small small small group of people has stated this opinion. You people are tyring to blow this up beyond what it really is. Take anything out there and your going to have people up in arms about something it's human nature.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

gameguy6700

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

You're right, we should assume that a game could possibly be racist because it features a single person of one race killing a bunch of people of another race. Furthermore, this possibility can only be dismissed once the entire game is released. So with that and mind, let's see if we can't find some other potentially racist games:

COD5: They said it's going to be set in a "new theater" during WWII which probably means the pacific. Since the game will thus probably feature an army of white men killing an army of Asians I think we should start labeling this game as racist since there's no way to tell whether the Japanese will be portrayed decently in this game.

Left 4 Dead: Nothing but white zombies here so there's a good possibility that this game could be racist. And look at how they portray fat people:

This makes me sick. This game should definitely be boycotted

Prince of Persia: We havent' seen much yet, but judging from the screenshots thus far and the past games I think its safe to say that all you're going to do in this game is mow down hordes of Persians. This is just completely irresponsible, ignorant, and insensitive to Arabs and Persians considering the current political climate. We should all be up in arms over this despite the fact that there's no evidence to suggest any sort of negative portrayal (after all we haven't even seen 1% of the game yet, how could we even try to think that this game couldn't be racist!).

And this is only a sample of all the potentially racist games coming out. Remember: Despite a total lack of evidence we should always assume that a game could be racist. I mean, if we did that can you imagine how many racist games could have been prevented? You know, like RE4 (really? An American that does nothing but go around killing Europeans? You make me sick Capcom), COD2 (just an excuse for gamers to slaughter Germans), and Bioshock (nothing but whites in that game. And look how they're portrayed! They're all self-absorbed, homicidal, insane drug addicts who like to kill little girls).

Oh, and look at these pictures I found of RE2:

BLACK ZOMBIE!!!! But the most damning evidence of all:

Marvin! Yeah, see, the racists at Capcom made a black character in RE2 who's one of the only survivors you find...but then he turns into a zombie and you have to kill him.

SEE?! SEE?! Capcom made us kill black people before (nevemind there were like two of them in the entire game) and now they're going to do it again! Won't anyone stop them?!

Alright, that's about as much acting like a moron that I can take. Hopefully you understand why its pointless to argue that we should take people seriously who say a game they've only seen 1% is racist because we haven't seen the whole thing yet and thus can't be certain that there isn't any racist content in the remaining 99%. If we used that logic then EVERY game featuring human enemies ever released would have been declared a racist game before it was launched.

What's funny is that you continue to assert that I am saying the game is racist. I will try this one more time.

I AM NOT SAYING THE GAME IS RACIST OR LOOKS LIKE IT COUL POSSIBLY BE RACIST. I AM SIMPLY SAYING YOU CANNOT DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT IT IS NOT. I HOPE THAT THIS CLARIFIES THE ISSUE.

Wait... Sessler's upset and uncomfortable with RE5 footage that he has seen? I don't know about what everyone else saw when viewing RE5 footage but I saw a large group of black people with pitch forks, scythes and torches mobbing up and attacking a lone white guy with the intent of killing him. Yeah I suppose I can see racism in that. I mean if media is going to through down the race card then might as well have it from both sides, right?

juradai

:lol: How great would it be if that really was the game. Theres no infection or anything, just good ole racial hatred.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

Blayde-

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

You're right, we should assume that a game could possibly be racist because it features a single person of one race killing a bunch of people of another race. Furthermore, this possibility can only be dismissed once the entire game is released. So with that and mind, let's see if we can't find some other potentially racist games:

COD5: They said it's going to be set in a "new theater" during WWII which probably means the pacific. Since the game will thus probably feature an army of white men killing an army of Asians I think we should start labeling this game as racist since there's no way to tell whether the Japanese will be portrayed decently in this game.

Left 4 Dead: Nothing but white zombies here so there's a good possibility that this game could be racist. And look at how they portray fat people:

This makes me sick. This game should definitely be boycotted

Prince of Persia: We havent' seen much yet, but judging from the screenshots thus far and the past games I think its safe to say that all you're going to do in this game is mow down hordes of Persians. This is just completely irresponsible, ignorant, and insensitive to Arabs and Persians considering the current political climate. We should all be up in arms over this despite the fact that there's no evidence to suggest any sort of negative portrayal (after all we haven't even seen 1% of the game yet, how could we even try to think that this game couldn't be racist!).

And this is only a sample of all the potentially racist games coming out. Remember: Despite a total lack of evidence we should always assume that a game could be racist. I mean, if we did that can you imagine how many racist games could have been prevented? You know, like RE4 (really? An American that does nothing but go around killing Europeans? You make me sick Capcom), COD2 (just an excuse for gamers to slaughter Germans), and Bioshock (nothing but whites in that game. And look how they're portrayed! They're all self-absorbed, homicidal, insane drug addicts who like to kill little girls).

Oh, and look at these pictures I found of RE2:

BLACK ZOMBIE!!!! But the most damning evidence of all:

Marvin! Yeah, see, the racists at Capcom made a black character in RE2 who's one of the only survivors you find...but then he turns into a zombie and you have to kill him.

SEE?! SEE?! Capcom made us kill black people before (nevemind there were like two of them in the entire game) and now they're going to do it again! Won't anyone stop them?!

Alright, that's about as much acting like a moron that I can take. Hopefully you understand why its pointless to argue that we should take people seriously who say a game they've only seen 1% is racist because we haven't seen the whole thing yet and thus can't be certain that there isn't any racist content in the remaining 99%. If we used that logic then EVERY game featuring human enemies ever released would have been declared a racist game before it was launched.

What's funny is that you continue to assert that I am saying the game is racist. I will try this one more time.

I AM NOT SAYING THE GAME IS RACIST OR LOOKS LIKE IT COUL POSSIBLY BE RACIST. I AM SIMPLY SAYING YOU CANNOT DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT IT IS NOT. I HOPE THAT THIS CLARIFIES THE ISSUE.

The entire point of the post was to show why its foolish to say that we should tolerate these racist claims just because we can't definitively say that the game isn't racist. You can't definitively say that the games I listed aren't racist but we all know they're not. Still, using your logic, we should be tolerant of my caricature's concerns because there's no way to prove him 100% false.

Perhaps another way to explain it is to use the teapot metaphor that gets dredged up in the OT religion debate threads on a regular basis: If I tell you that there's a teapot floating in the asteroid belt (if I say that a game is racist) without providing any evidence other than the belief that it's there (the belief that a game is racist) will you even remotely consider the possibility that I'm correct? Will you walk around for the rest of the day, possibly your life, with the faint thought stuck in your head that there could be a teapot floating around in the asteroid belt? Probably not.

Just because someone raises a point or opinion does not mean that it has merit or that we should take it even remotely seriously. The reason we're ripping these guys apart is because they present no evidence other than a persecution complex. Without any evidence how are we supposed to take them seriously?

Also, I'm still waiting on you to explain why the sentence in my original post you bolded is "ludicrous".

There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

gameguy6700

There have been a number of Japanese games portraying blacks as stereotypes, and it's been known that there are those in the african american community who would perceive this game as an attack on the african american community. Capcom is essentially playing with fire here, if this gets blown out of proportion we might end up looking at some sort of ban on sales if people like Al Sharpton want to start crap by stirring the pot. Capcom should be VERY CAREFUL about how they market this game.

And the thing I find most interesting about this is that Sessler has Uncharted playing in the background, which features two white people killing droves of non-white people who aren't even zombies. Shame-usBlackley

Yeah but they're not black people you're killing in Uncharted, Indonesians and Filipinos probably don't worry so much about Eddy Raja's pirates getting shot and stuff like this, but you can bet people like Al Sharpton might raise a stink about black people being shot in RE5 by Chris Redfield who's basically a white cop unless Capcom donates some money to Al's cause.

It's like this, I'm Canadian, if someone makes a game where you go and kill a whole bunch of Canadians, I wouldn't give a crap.

[QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]

Yes, two completely different subjects. I won't deny that. But they are analogous. In what way?

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

H3LLRaiseR

I don't think its analogous at all, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

I have no problem with you, NGai, or Sessler being uncomfortable with RE5. Your racial insecurities are your own burden to bear. When you try to force that burden on everyone else is when I have a problem. Calling the game racist, attempting to create a double standard, and implying censorship... These are the things I have issue with.

No offense, but you seem to be a perfect example of how this can infect other people and warp their opinion of the game. From your own description, race never even crossed your mind while watching the trailer. You heard Ngai rant about how the images are racist, and now youtoo are uncomfortable playing the game. Its essentially manufactured racism. He's making it out of nothing. And thats exactly why this type of thing is so dangerous.

Ah, but here we come to the crux of the matter: I never once stated that I felt the game was racist. Never. Not once. And, for the record, I don't think the game is racist. But, as what happens over and over here and so many other places on the subject, people keep attaching their own VIEW on what is being said instead of simply listening to what is being said. For the record, neither N'Gai Croal OR Adam Sessler called the game racist. THEY NEVER DID. Consistently, their problem is with what the TRAILER presented. We know there is more to the game, but this is all that we've SEEN.

No one is forcing anything on anyone. No one is infecting anyone with anything. But just as I understand why Native Americans would be offended by the Washington Redskins but yet I'm not, I too understand why this made Croal and Sessler uncomfortable.

Agree or disagree, that is our perogative. But we all grow by trying to understand one another and having fellow feeling for our human brothers and sisters.

The trailer was a bit edgy, but as a black male that happens to be African, I found nothing wrong with it, hell I didn't even think that is could be racist until the media got a hold of it. The fact of the matter is that what they showed is disturbing to certain groups of people outside of the gaming world. They haven't even released another trailer to show different. If the media is gonna go after GTA and Mass Effect, what makes people think they wouldn't jump all over this. For all we know this might have been exactly what they wanted to drum up sales. Who knows, maybe when that countdown is done on the official website they will release a new trailer and put this to bed. And stop hating on Sessler. One minute people love him when he defends Mass Effect, then the minute he says something the GS community disagrees with it's f*** Sessler. A lot of you guys are impossible to please.Kuruption84

My moniker's Darth Tigris, and I approve this message.

[QUOTE="H3LLRaiseR"][QUOTE="Darth_Tigris"]

Yes, two completely different subjects. I won't deny that. But they are analogous. In what way?

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

Darth_Tigris

I don't think its analogous at all, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

I have no problem with you, NGai, or Sessler being uncomfortable with RE5. Your racial insecurities are your own burden to bear. When you try to force that burden on everyone else is when I have a problem. Calling the game racist, attempting to create a double standard, and implying censorship... These are the things I have issue with.

No offense, but you seem to be a perfect example of how this can infect other people and warp their opinion of the game. From your own description, race never even crossed your mind while watching the trailer. You heard Ngai rant about how the images are racist, and now youtoo are uncomfortable playing the game. Its essentially manufactured racism. He's making it out of nothing. And thats exactly why this type of thing is so dangerous.

Ah, but here we come to the crux of the matter: I never once stated that I felt the game was racist. Never. Not once. And, for the record, I don't think the game is racist. But, as what happens over and over here and so many other places on the subject, people keep attaching their own VIEW on what is being said instead of simply listening to what is being said. For the record, neither N'Gai Croal OR Adam Sessler called the game racist. THEY NEVER DID. Consistently, their problem is with what the TRAILER presented. We know there is more to the game, but this is all that we've SEEN.

No one is forcing anything on anyone. No one is infecting anyone with anything. But just as I understand why Native Americans would be offended by the Washington Redskins but yet I'm not, I too understand why this made Croal and Sessler uncomfortable.

Agree or disagree, that is our perogative. But we all grow by trying to understand one another and having fellow feeling for our human brothers and sisters.

Sessler, along with Croal and others, have said the IMAGES IN THE TRAILER made them uncomfortable because of how it reminded them of some horrible racial history. Myself, as well as others, feel uncomfortable looking at images of nude kids because it reminds us of child pornography. Does that make it wrong for us to say it makes us uncomfortable?

I'm a black man too. I've played nearly all of the RE games. Had a blast. When I first saw the trailer to this one, I thought it had great graphics, an atmospheric setting and a continuation of the RE4 gameplay. That's pretty much it. But once I started hearing things about racist imagery, I revisited it. I listened to their points. And, especially after what Croal articulated, I UNDERSTAND where they are coming from. It makes them uncomfortable.

What consistently disturbs me about us as gamers is how often we refuse to accept that someone may react differently or have a different view of something that we do. Maybe this is a side effect of internet communication versus dealing with real people and seeing the pain, anguish, excitement and passion in their faces or voices. Sessler did a good job of saying how he felt without saying anyone that doesn't feel the same is WRONG.

Darth_Tigris

People need to grow thicker skins. It's really that simple.

And what is "racist imagery"? Can you please show me footage or photographs of ANY historical period where mobs of black people are converging on a single white target that is blasting them in defense?

The truth is that there are no parallels to be drawn between the images in this game and racial history because the only factor that makes these people "uncomfortable" is the fact that the zombies are black. The irony is that it wasn't gratuitous violence that offended them but rather the skin color of the game's antagonists, a stance that is hypocritical and logistically uneven.

People are free to react however they want but that doesn't mean their reaction is anything of consequence. Many people are overtly offended by the images and sights we indulge in while playing videogames but that doesn't mean their "uncomfortable" reaction is rooted in anything more substantive than personal preference. I'm sure plenty of WWII veterans find a game in which you storm Normandy for points distasteful or "uncomfortable" just as I'm sure the remaining survivors of the Titanic tragedy felt uncomfortable with the realistic manner in which the disaster was re-created in James Cameron's film. I'm also quite certain that some cops have a problem with the ability to kill their virtual counterparts at will in games like GTA. The problem however, arises when people take their personal discomfort and try to push it onto the rest of us, as if their unhappiness or personal issues must become a cross for the rest of the world to bear.

Adam Sessler didn't voice his ignorant and specious little opinion because he was tortured by those images; he spoke out because he thought he was being insightful and politically correct. The fact that he looks at those pics and videos and sees racism speaks volumes about his own personal predilections and is far more disturbing and offensive than his baseless conjecture about RE5. I respect other people's opinions but there is a line that needs to be drawn before we lose sight of all common sense.

In Ray Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit 451, one of the prevailing causations that leads to the eventual banning of all literature is society's need for factions and the obligatory placating of every special interest group; people afraid and careful never to offend anybody until one day all the colors of the spectrum are gone and we are left with only black and white.

[QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Blayde-"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]There's nothing racist about RE5. The only people who think RE5 is racist are people who think that blacks are entitlted to preferental treatment in the media so that they can be protected from any negative portrayal no matter how insignificant. In other words, the people calling this game racist are themselves racists (you don't have to attack another race to be a racist, you just have to advocate prejudicial treatment for a race(s)).

gameguy6700

How do you know it's not racist? You are in no better position to say the game is not racist than those who say the game is racist.

We really will not know until the full game is released how the people in the game are depicted.

Also, your bolded comment is just ludicrous.

Sigh...

First of all there's no evidence to suggest the game is racist. All we know is that the majority of the enemies in the game are black. How is that racist? If I see that the majority of enemies in a game are white (which is usually the case) does that mean that I can rightfully assume that said game is racist towards white people? I think not. Also, the "we don't know how they're depicted yet" argument is stupid. Not only does the point I just made still apply but we've already seen trailers and photos that show that in the beginning of the game the villagers are completely normal, peaceful, decent people. Chris even walks into the village at the beginning without any problems. Its only after the villagers are infected with a virus that they become hellbent on his death. Which, btw, is a much more positive starting depiction than what the rest of the ethnicities in the RE series have gotten since up to this point you always walk into a town/abandoned mansion/train after everyone has turned into zombies.

Furthermore, considering the history of the franchise I think its safe to say that this game is not going to be racist. As I've already explained in another post in this same topic the developers set the game in Africa because its a location pertinent to the game's lore.

Also, how is the bolded statement ludicrous?

Agreed, but having seen 1% of the game you have no idea of the content of the game so no you cannot definitively say it's not going to be racist.

Sorry but yes it matters how the people are depicted and you have no idea how they will be depicted, the idea that you know based on a 5 minute trailer is foolish.

Considering the history of how blacks have been portrayed by the Japanese it's absolutely right to have some misgivings about how they might be represented in this game.

I don't think there is going to be anything in the game worth getting upset about but the idea that people can't be a little skeptical is silly.

You're right, we should assume that a game could possibly be racist because it features a single person of one race killing a bunch of people of another race. Furthermore, this possibility can only be dismissed once the entire game is released. So with that and mind, let's see if we can't find some other potentially racist games:

COD5: They said it's going to be set in a "new theater" during WWII which probably means the pacific. Since the game will thus probably feature an army of white men killing an army of Asians I think we should start labeling this game as racist since there's no way to tell whether the Japanese will be portrayed decently in this game.

Left 4 Dead: Nothing but white zombies here so there's a good possibility that this game could be racist. And look at how they portray fat people:

This makes me sick. This game should definitely be boycotted

Prince of Persia: We havent' seen much yet, but judging from the screenshots thus far and the past games I think its safe to say that all you're going to do in this game is mow down hordes of Persians. This is just completely irresponsible, ignorant, and insensitive to Arabs and Persians considering the current political climate. We should all be up in arms over this despite the fact that there's no evidence to suggest any sort of negative portrayal (after all we haven't even seen 1% of the game yet, how could we even try to think that this game couldn't be racist!).

And this is only a sample of all the potentially racist games coming out. Remember: Despite a total lack of evidence we should always assume that a game could be racist. I mean, if we did that can you imagine how many racist games could have been prevented? You know, like RE4 (really? An American that does nothing but go around killing Europeans? You make me sick Capcom), COD2 (just an excuse for gamers to slaughter Germans), and Bioshock (nothing but whites in that game. And look how they're portrayed! They're all self-absorbed, homicidal, insane drug addicts who like to kill little girls).

Oh, and look at these pictures I found of RE2:

BLACK ZOMBIE!!!! But the most damning evidence of all:

Marvin! Yeah, see, the racists at Capcom made a black character in RE2 who's one of the only survivors you find...but then he turns into a zombie and you have to kill him.

SEE?! SEE?! Capcom made us kill black people before (nevemind there were like two of them in the entire game) and now they're going to do it again! Won't anyone stop them?!

Alright, that's about as much acting like a moron that I can take. Hopefully you understand why its pointless to argue that we should take people seriously who say a game they've only seen 1% is racist because we haven't seen the whole thing yet and thus can't be certain that there isn't any racist content in the remaining 99%. If we used that logic then EVERY game featuring human enemies ever released would have been declared a racist game before it was launched.

What's funny is that you continue to assert that I am saying the game is racist. I will try this one more time.

I AM NOT SAYING THE GAME IS RACIST OR LOOKS LIKE IT COUL POSSIBLY BE RACIST. I AM SIMPLY SAYING YOU CANNOT DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT IT IS NOT. I HOPE THAT THIS CLARIFIES THE ISSUE.

The entire point of the post was to show why its foolish to say that we should tolerate these racist claims just because we can't definitively say that the game isn't racist. You can't definitively say that the games I listed aren't racist but we all know they're not. Still, using your logic, we should be tolerant of my caricature's concerns because there's no way to prove him 100% false.

Perhaps another way to explain it is to use the teapot metaphor that gets dredged up in the OT religion debate threads on a regular basis: If I tell you that there's a teapot floating in the asteroid belt (if I say that a game is racist) without providing any evidence other than the belief that it's there (the belief that a game is racist) will you even remotely consider the possibility that I'm correct? Will you walk around for the rest of the day, possibly your life, with the faint thought stuck in your head that there could be a teapot floating around in the asteroid belt? Probably not.

Just because someone raises a point or opinion does not mean that it has merit or that we should take it even remotely seriously. The reason we're ripping these guys apart is because they present no evidence other than a persecution complex. Without any evidence how are we supposed to take them seriously?

Also, I'm still waiting on you to explain why the sentence in my original post you bolded is "ludicrous".

I never commented on that, you said there is nothing racist about the game and I said you can't know that.

I've already said why your statement was rediculous I don't feel the need to repeat myself.