Adam Sessler "Uncomfortable" by Resident Evil 5

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#151 MetalGear_Ninty
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this whole topic is just so ridiculous its out of control. let me sum things up for you conspiracy theorists. you have absolutely no right to speak for the developers of the game and what underlying tones you THINK they are trying to imply. it is irrelevant that you look a logo and tie it to all these other absurd meanings. it is irrelevant if someone looks at a rope and think it is a reference to your ancestors being hung.

the ONLY relevant thing here is the intent of the developer. just because some oversensitive people decide to make connections that do not exist unless expressly implied, does not make them factual in any way. until you have HARD evidence of something, you have no grounds to make such a baseless claim that, by the way, can hurt someone else's image. its damn near slander.

you can claim that you see things all you want, but those with functional logical brains are going to call you out for the fools you are like has been the case in this entire thread.

OneWingedAngeI

I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

It is a simple task to deduce things from simple imagery, it's just theorising onwhat may be included in the game, and what the developer is intending.

Because you know what, in most literature, and in some games, the developers aren't patronising and simple enough to tell you exactly what they are intending, but actually leave metaphor and symbolism for the reader/player to deduce the actual meaning.

If you only accept literal depictions then I suggest you continue on your simple minded path.

BTW, I don't think RE5 is racist in any way.

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#152 Skylock00
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I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

It is a simple task to deduce things from simple imagery, it's just theorising onwhat may be included in the game, and what the developer is intending.

Because you know what, in most literature, and in some games, the developers aren't patronising and simple enough to tell you exactly what they are intending, but actually leave metaphor and symbolism for the reader/player to deduce the actual meaning.

If you only accept literal depictions then I suggest you continue on your simple minded path.

MetalGear_Ninty

Actually, I agree with OWA here more than I do you on the issue of, at this early stage in the game, going so far as to imply as much as you have about the meaning of the logo, and the implications it has on the game.

It's simply so early in things that making strong claims about what the intent of the logo, or trailer, or whatever is simply premature in my book.

Also, at this stage of the thread, I'm getting fed up with people throwing about even passive/mild insults towards eachother, their viewpoints, and otherwise...so from this point on (and this applies to everyone) posts containing even mild flaming or insults will be moderated heavily.

Keep this discussion civil, there's no need to throw terms like 'simple minded' at others, nor is it needed to use heavy handed language when shooting down other people's opinions. It doesn't solve anything, and is meaningless in this sort of discussion.

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#153 ikwal
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hahaha what a total idiot. It's in Afrika ofc the people are going to be black...
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#154 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

It is a simple task to deduce things from simple imagery, it's just theorising onwhat may be included in the game, and what the developer is intending.

Because you know what, in most literature, and in some games, the developers aren't patronising and simple enough to tell you exactly what they are intending, but actually leave metaphor and symbolism for the reader/player to deduce the actual meaning.

If you only accept literal depictions then I suggest you continue on your simple minded path.

Skylock00

Actually, I agree with OWA here more than I do you on the issue of, at this early stage in the game, going so far as to imply as much as you have about the meaning of the logo, and the implications it has on the game.

It's simply so early in things that making strong claims about what the intent of the logo, or trailer, or whatever is simply premature in my book.

Also, at this stage of the thread, I'm getting fed up with people throwing about even passive/mild insults towards eachother, their viewpoints, and otherwise...so from this point on (and this applies to everyone) posts containing even mild flaming or insults will be moderated heavily.

Keep this discussion civil, there's no need to throw terms like 'simple minded' at others, nor is it needed to use heavy handed language when shooting down other people's opinions. It doesn't solve anything, and is meaningless in this sort of discussion.

I'm only speculating, and I don't believe anybody, including the developers are going to be offended by mere specualation, that was why I was using words like 'suggests' and 'implies' in my posts.

I agree with you on the mild flaming thing, but I only do this when provoked, remember, it was OWA who said:

but those with functional logical brains are going to call you out for the fools you are like has been the case in this entire threadOneWingedAngel

I was merely respnding to that comment in particular.

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#155 Skylock00
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I agree with you on the mild flaming thing, but I only do this when provoked, remember, it was OWA who said:

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngel"] but those with functional logical brains are going to call you out for the fools you are like has been the case in this entire threadMetalGear_Ninty

I was merely respnding to that comment in particular.

Sorry, but that doesn't validate your actions, and rationalizing it in this fashion only makes me more annoyed at hte matter. The only course of action you and others should take to posts that present agression/heat in the discussion should be ignoring such things, or even reporting them if you feel it's over the line. Countering heated comments with heat solves nothing.

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#156 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I agree with you on the mild flaming thing, but I only do this when provoked, remember, it was OWA who said:

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngel"] but those with functional logical brains are going to call you out for the fools you are like has been the case in this entire threadSkylock00

I was merely respnding to that comment in particular.

Sorry, but that doesn't validate your actions, and responding in this fashion only makes me more annoyed at hte matter. The only course of action you and others should take to posts that present agression/heat in the discussion should be ignoring such things, or even reporting them if you feel it's over the line. Countering heated comments with heat solves nothing.

Yeah, I know what you are saying, but I just didn't like how you conveniently used my example of mild flaming to get your point across when mine provoked by an earlier post whilst others were not.

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#157 OneWingedAngeI
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I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

It is a simple task to deduce things from simple imagery, it's just theorising onwhat may be included in the game, and what the developer is intending.

Because you know what, in most literature, and in some games, the developers aren't patronising and simple enough to tell you exactly what they are intending, but actually leave metaphor and symbolism for the reader/player to deduce the actual meaning.

If you only accept literal depictions then I suggest you continue on your simple minded path.

BTW, I don't think RE5 is racist in any way.

MetalGear_Ninty

it's funny you bring up literature but forget the prime rule of not judging a book by its cover. actually this is worse, its like taking a sentence from the book out of context. no one ever said i dont accept literal depictions. but i would never dare to even implysomething so severe as racism or other things that if true, would be disastrous to the image of those involved, without evidence. this is a fraction, a small tiny fraction of the game.

you flat out do not attack someone in such a manner without proof. these people need to just stop it. its irresponsible. it's just absurd to even hint at capcom having racist content in a guilty until proven innocent manner, just because they happen to have africans being killed...in africa. it's completely unfair and while people are free to do what they want, everyone else is free to call them on it.

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#158 Skylock00
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, but I just didn't like how you conveniently used my example of mild flaming to get your point across when mine provoked by an earlier post whilst others were not.

MetalGear_Ninty
Sorry if me using you as an example annoyed you, yours was just the post I was responding to, and I have to make these posts relatively quickly where I am right now...additionally, my point still stands that there is still no justification for such actions. ;)
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#159 slayermaster123
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yea it doesnt seem to make any sense if the game is based in say korea and were blowing korean heads off there shoulders is that considered racist now? do we now create a new race that is "non-racist" to blow there heads off there shoulds. it seems if anything relates to african americans it "RACIST" wouldn't it be racist if you were blowing off chinese peoples heads yet it seems no one cares
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#160 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.

It is a simple task to deduce things from simple imagery, it's just theorising onwhat may be included in the game, and what the developer is intending.

Because you know what, in most literature, and in some games, the developers aren't patronising and simple enough to tell you exactly what they are intending, but actually leave metaphor and symbolism for the reader/player to deduce the actual meaning.

If you only accept literal depictions then I suggest you continue on your simple minded path.

BTW, I don't think RE5 is racist in any way.

OneWingedAngeI

it's funny you bring up literature but forget the prime rule of not judging a book by its cover. actually this is worse, its like taking a sentence from the book out of context. no one ever said i dont accept literal depictions. but i would never dare to even implysomething so severe as racism or other things that if true, would be disastrous to the image of those involved, without evidence. this is a fraction, a small tiny fraction of the game.

you flat out do not attack someone in such a manner without proof. these people need to just stop it. its irresponsible. it's just absurd to even hint at capcom having racist content in a guilty until proven innocent manner, just because they happen to have africans being killed...in africa. it's completely unfair and while people are free to do what they want, everyone else is free to call them on it.

I agree with you on the negative effects of calling a product, but in your post, you merged those who cried racism, with me who was merely speculating -- as if we were the same entity.

I never implied that RE5 included racism, and were the implication of racism can be damaging to a company or product, mere speculation about themes are harmless.

If anything, what I was saying was a justification of why I thought they used the African setting, and was therefore pertaining to the topic.

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#161 OneWingedAngeI
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I agree with you on the negative effects of calling a product, but in your post, you merged those who cried racism, with me who was merely speculating -- as if we were the same entity.

I never implied that RE5 included racism, and were the implication of racism can be damaging to a company or product, mere speculation about themes are harmless.

If anything, what I was saying was a justification of why I thought they used the African setting, and was therefore pertaining to the topic.

MetalGear_Ninty

they are not harmless. i am sure at least one person was not allowed to buy mass effect because fox news decided to speculate, without playing the game - just like this, that it was porn. that is irreparable harm.

look at what has already happened. you have people who all have not played the game and who had no problem with the footage what so ever, going back and now saying that it makes them uncomfortable too.

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#162 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I agree with you on the negative effects of calling a product, but in your post, you merged those who cried racism, with me who was merely speculating -- as if we were the same entity.

I never implied that RE5 included racism, and were the implication of racism can be damaging to a company or product, mere speculation about themes are harmless.

If anything, what I was saying was a justification of why I thought they used the African setting, and was therefore pertaining to the topic.

OneWingedAngeI

they are not harmless. i am sure at least one person was not allowed to buy mass effect because fox news decided to speculate, without playing the game - just like this, that it was porn. that is irreparable harm.

look at what has already happened. you have people who all have not played the game and who had no problem with the footage what so ever, going back and now saying that it makes them uncomfortable too.

My specualation was harmless, I was talking about themes that I felt could have been in the game.

I made no mention of drugs, sex, violence, racism or anything of the sort.

And yes, speculating about racism can be damaging to a product.

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#163 Skylock00
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they are not harmless. i am sure at least one person was not allowed to buy mass effect because fox news decided to speculate, without playing the game - just like this, that it was porn. that is irreparable harm.

look at what has already happened. you have people who all have not played the game and who had no problem with the footage what so ever, going back and now saying that it makes them uncomfortable too.

OneWingedAngeI
In MGN's defense, he's not talking about racism in any capacity...he's merely speculating on other possible, non-controversial in nature topics that might be brought up in the game based on analysing the title...I think it's premature to be doing so, but there's nothing in his claims about racism or such in the game...so it's unfair to lump him with Sessler regarding this situation
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#164 LordAndrew
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I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about racism in this game at this point. Maybe there are white zombies in the game as well. We don't know.

But we can't really make judgements about this game given how little we've actually seen of it.

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#165 AtomicTangerine
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I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about racism in this game at this point. Maybe there are white zombies in the game as well. We don't know.

But we can't really make judgements about this game given how little we've actually seen of it.

LordAndrew

Exactly! If there were racist undertones, they sure weren't too obvious in that trailer. If we are saying the whole game isn't racist, we don't know for sure either. The way I see it, however, there are two ways this thing can go-

1. This game is not racist unless you classify "undead" as a race. They brought back one of the characters from a previous game that nobody thought was racist and just put him in Africa. The only crime Resident Evil has done is not having a multi-cultural cast of playable characters, something that almost every game is guilty of.

2. Capcom is totally racist. They don't care about black people, and think it is a great idea to put it in Africa because they know how much white America loves to kill black people. They have been planning it all along and they wanted us to realize it to build up the hype.

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#166 OneWingedAngeI
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[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

they are not harmless. i am sure at least one person was not allowed to buy mass effect because fox news decided to speculate, without playing the game - just like this, that it was porn. that is irreparable harm.

look at what has already happened. you have people who all have not played the game and who had no problem with the footage what so ever, going back and now saying that it makes them uncomfortable too.

Skylock00

In MGN's defense, he's not talking about racism in any capacity...he's merely speculating on other possible, non-controversial in nature topics that might be brought up in the game based on analysing the title...I think it's premature to be doing so, but there's nothing in his claims about racism or such in the game...so it's unfair to lump him with Sessler regarding this situation

no i understand that but they are both doing the same thing fundamentally. while his speculation is not really damaging i find it equally unfounded and furthermore really dont understand what the point of it in this thread is. i mean the topic is about sessler.

i apologize if i misinterpreted, but the main topic of the thread was the racism/discomfort, and i guess that's how it got lumped in. it's hard to separate the two when you have a segway that says:

Guys, just look at the logo of the game, it is obvious from this that Capcom have intended to give the game geopolitical themes, so it is only logical that there is going to be controversial imagery involved.

to me it was like a "and look what else they did, this theory is more plausible with this addition".

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#167 ConkerAndBerri2
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actually there has only been one black person in the entire resident evil series and it was in resident evil 2 when you go to the police station and go into the room where a black guy gives you a computer card and then locks the door behind you because he knew he would turn. but in resident evil 5 i guess its the white mans turn to be the minority. and why cant black people be racist? i mean honestly theyre the ones turning hostile on chris, go to hell sessler!
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#168 MetalGear_Ninty
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no i understand that but they are both doing the same thing fundamentally. while his speculation is not really damaging i find it equally unfounded and furthermore really dont understand what the point of it in this thread is. i mean the topic is about sessler.

i apologize if i misinterpreted, but the main topic of the thread was the racism/discomfort, and i guess that's how it got lumped in. it's hard to separate the two when you have a segway that says:

[quote="MetalGear_Ninty"]Guys, just look at the logo of the game, it is obvious from this that Capcom have intended to give the game geopolitical themes, so it is only logical that there is going to be controversial imagery involved.OneWingedAngeI

to me it was like a "and look what else they did, this theory is more plausible with this addition".

The point of it was to try to give some justification as to why I believed the setting was in Africa, and thus absolve the 'racism' argument, that was what I meant when I said there was 'controversial imagery involved' , meaning, because the game pertains to real life issues, it is bound to include imagery that people are uncomfortable with.

From the start of this thread I was always against the 'RE5 is racist' claim.

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#169 FittsOMalley
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.....and how is it racist again?

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#170 Blayde-
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[QUOTE="Blayde-"]

So your response is to say that their interpretation is invalid.

Skylock00

Actually, I'm not saying their interpretation is invalid right out, because interpretations are, at the end of the day, personal things.

The problem I've underlayed is conveying those intepretations prematurely in a context that can unfairly implant a bias against this particular game in one way or another about what it is, what it stands for, and so forth, and thus affecting future interpretations of the game because someone even suggested the notion that there is something there that makes them uncomfortable about the game, or its trailer.

Lastly, if what you're saying in the end is in fact true, I'd still call it irresponsible at best, and abusive at worst (abusive from the standpoint of using their access to an easily accessible publically known venue), because these are guys who are taking non-issue level, personal discomfort on something that may or may not have anything to do with the actual final product, and making observations about it that sets the course for other people to look at the game with an artificially added layer of bias about the game in at least one regard.

The feelings guys like Sessler have isn't invalid, because they are free to have those feelings...it doesn't mean that they should go out and tell everyone about it when what they're having feelings about could be something that can easily be a complete non-issue (as was the case in people freaking out over LocoRoco or Mass Effect). By doing so, as I pointed out earlier, they could, in fact, alter how other people view this game in a fashion that down the line, they'll start 'seeing' things as being racist in the game that really aren't, simply because there was a predisposition instilled through others suggesting that there could be some connection between the game and those feelings in the first place.

Hopefully you understand that I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying regarding why guys like Sessler are having these feelings...but I hope you actually understand the stance I have as to why I don't think it's a proper course of action for these guys to go out and voice their feelings in this fashion, especially so far in advance of the game's release.

Before I respond let me ask this, what if Chris was black and the enemies all ran around with white hoods. Does that make the situation any different?

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#171 OneWingedAngeI
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okay, i misunderstood. its hard to keep track sometimes when you have so many people arguing. apologies. (seems to be my MO for the day)
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#172 MetalGear_Ninty
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okay, i misunderstood. its hard to keep track sometimes when you have so many people arguing. apologies. (seems to be my MO for the day)OneWingedAngeI

No problem, I've made a few slip-ups myself today:P.

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#175 ronniepage588
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the only thing that will make it racist, is if there isn't some bizarre and crazy reason for them to be acting crazy an needed to be shot like crazy.

if he is just mowing down africans because they are just trying to kill him cause they think he is bad, then yeah the game is totally racist.

there has to be one of several things that lets it make sense for them be mowing down blacks like that

1. its along the same lines as resident evil 4, where some mind controlling parasite has infected them all

2. theyre zombies like in the old resident evil game

or

3. its simply a game for racist people only.

at first, i was very reluctant to agree with the idea that it may be racist. but since it has been delayed so much, it has led me to believe that at first, there really was much reason other than the fact that theyre from a really poor country and possibly fighting for some ruthless dictator for them to all be attacking the player need to be killed like that. i was using the same reason as everyone else that, okay if resident evil 5 is racist for killing blacks, than why isn't resident evil 4 racist for killing spanish? well resident evil 4 made it quite apparent that you were killing zombie looking freaks and eventually found out that they were possesed by an infected parasite.

i still agree that it probably isn't racist and people like adam sessler, who is obviously a raging liberal, just want to act so sensitive and lame about it.

now none of you guys know the developers or the plot. but the truth is, if there isn't an absolutely obvious reason for it to be necessary that these africans need to be killed like that, this game is on the edge of racist.

i for one totally agree that it seems as though its only when blacks are involved that things become racist, and had it been taking place in london or something, or wouldnt be a question, even if you played as a black lead character.

also, just like in R4, youre going to have a bunch of people of the same nationality of where the game takes place help you and become key characters through out the game so its not like your playing as some raging kkk member.

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#176 ronniepage588
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plus, saying they were inspired by black hawk down (more like trying to stay as cool as every other shooter game in existence these days)

is pretty lame. besides the obvious reasons, that movie never depicted any white characters with chizzled features and boxed jaws, tight slick outfits with gigantic biceps standing upright like the terminator mowing down blacks. it was a fight for survival to get out of there safely, this game looks like he's here to stay untill he murders everyone.

but for real, they should have just made the main character black to level things out ya know. even still it would be called racist.

ya kno, i didnt hear this much BS on these forums when gta san andreas came out and you play as a black dude mowing down white cops half the game

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#177 ronniepage588
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so uh to answer what i said, clearly adam sesslar is a raging "o im so aware of society" liberal. i have lots of black friends who want this game, i live in philly, and they haven't even thought of it to be racist. its just stupid what liberals who want to stir things up and get ratings.
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#178 DarkElf2112
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If you want real racism just pick any multiplayer game on XBox Live. No need for Sessler to single this game out.
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#179 gameguy6700
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the only thing that will make it racist, is if there isn't some bizarre and crazy reason for them to be acting crazy an needed to be shot like crazy.

if he is just mowing down africans because they are just trying to kill him cause they think he is bad, then yeah the game is totally racist.

there has to be one of several things that lets it make sense for them be mowing down blacks like that

1. its along the same lines as resident evil 4, where some mind controlling parasite has infected them all

2. theyre zombies like in the old resident evil game

or

3. its simply a game for racist people only.

at first, i was very reluctant to agree with the idea that it may be racist. but since it has been delayed so much, it has led me to believe that at first, there really was much reason other than the fact that theyre from a really poor country and possibly fighting for some ruthless dictator for them to all be attacking the player need to be killed like that. i was using the same reason as everyone else that, okay if resident evil 5 is racist for killing blacks, than why isn't resident evil 4 racist for killing spanish? well resident evil 4 made it quite apparent that you were killing zombie looking freaks and eventually found out that they were possesed by an infected parasite.

i still agree that it probably isn't racist and people like adam sessler, who is obviously a raging liberal, just want to act so sensitive and lame about it.

now none of you guys know the developers or the plot. but the truth is, if there isn't an absolutely obvious reason for it to be necessary that these africans need to be killed like that, this game is on the edge of racist.

i for one totally agree that it seems as though its only when blacks are involved that things become racist, and had it been taking place in london or something, or wouldnt be a question, even if you played as a black lead character.

also, just like in R4, youre going to have a bunch of people of the same nationality of where the game takes place help you and become key characters through out the game so its not like your playing as some raging kkk member.

ronniepage588

The game still wouldn't be racist if they were trying to kill you just because they thought you were bad. That's been the plot for many games (such as every war game ever made). The only way that RE5 would be racist is if Chris gets a netgun in the game which he can use to capture the blacks in the game and then in turn sell them to the merchant guy from RE4 for cash, as well as spouting off white supremicist propaganda during cutscenes.

Anyway, your post proves what people have been saying in this topic: that people who were previously perfectly fine with the game are now feeling uneasy about it because they're being told to feel uneasy about it. I mean, come on man. This is a Resident Evil game (otherwise known as Biohazard in Japan which should give you a good indication of what the series is about). Since when does the series not feature viruses and parasites? At what point did you think "hm, maybe there is a chance that the new Resident Evil game won't have people infected with viruses or mind controlling parasites"? If you've been paying attention at all to the info that's been trickling out about this game you would know that the devs personally confirmed that the people you'll be shooting in the game are infected with a new virus but that they're still not true zombies (hence the reason everyone in this topic has been referring to them as "not-zombies").

Also, games get delayed all the time. Its almost unheard of for a game to not get delayed at some point during the development cycle. So the fact that RE5 got delayed should not be surprising nor does it lend any credence at all to the idea that the devs are scrambling to make their games less racist.

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#180 OneWingedAngeI
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so uh to answer what i said, clearly adam sesslar is a raging "o im so aware of society" liberal. i have lots of black friends who want this game, i live in philly, and they haven't even thought of it to be racist. its just stupid what liberals who want to stir things up and get ratings.ronniepage588

not to be rude but your first two posts are very confusing. i can't really tell where you stand on the matter.

if he is just mowing down africans because they are trying to kill him cause they think he is bad, then yeah the game is totally racist

so self defense is racist? again maybe i am confused here but i cant tell your position really. but one point i can totally disagree with is that no, they should not have made the lead character black. he has been white from the start, and they should not be changing his race just so that he can kill people of a different race. do you realize how crazy that is?

maybe all protagonists should just be chameleon race shifters so they can change to whatever race of person they kill? its kind of ridiculous.

the best part is that people dont have problems with murdering tons of people in games, only when it's a white person killing a black one. or if there are boobs. remember, boobs are the downfall of society.

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#181 EvilTaru
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Before I respond let me ask this, what if Chris was black and the enemies all ran around with white hoods. Does that make the situation any different?

Blayde-

It most definitely does, especially in America where reverse discrimination is something that is deemed permissible, I doubt the caucasian population would raise a stink over a game where you play as a black protagonist shooting white men in suits, if you're making a game with a white man in a suit shooting black drug dealers and so on, you're playing with fire.

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#182 Killburglar
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[QUOTE="Blayde-"]

Before I respond let me ask this, what if Chris was black and the enemies all ran around with white hoods. Does that make the situation any different?

EvilTaru

It most definitely does, especially in America where reverse discrimination is something that is deemed permissible, I doubt the caucasian population would raise a stink over a game where you play as a black protagonist shooting white men in suits, if you're making a game with a white man in a suit shooting black drug dealers and so on, you're playing with fire.

The example you propose is alot easier to swallow as being racist than RE5. If all your enemies were black drug dealers, that's perpetuating an old stereotype. If RE5 has all the black zombies as gang bangers eating fried chicken and watermelon, I would agree with the racist c;aims.

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#183 appleater
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There was a James Bond movie where everyone was African-American, that's the analogy I draw. It's an old movie; I don't know if it was controversial. The movie was the same old Bond formula.

This isn't an original video game, it's a series like Bond, and they try to spice it up.

By the way, Sessler was just saying what Croel said months ago. GGD is late to this premature discussion.

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#184 EvilTaru
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[QUOTE="EvilTaru"][QUOTE="Blayde-"]

Before I respond let me ask this, what if Chris was black and the enemies all ran around with white hoods. Does that make the situation any different?

Killburglar

It most definitely does, especially in America where reverse discrimination is something that is deemed permissible, I doubt the caucasian population would raise a stink over a game where you play as a black protagonist shooting white men in suits, if you're making a game with a white man in a suit shooting black drug dealers and so on, you're playing with fire.

The example you propose is alot easier to swallow as being racist than RE5. If all your enemies were black drug dealers, that's perpetuating an old stereotype. If RE5 has all the black zombies as gang bangers eating fried chicken and watermelon, I would agree with the racist c;aims.

RE5 has black people as a blood-thirsty mob, which is not particularly flattering, but the fact that Chris, a white cop, will be blowing them to kingdom come with various firearms, is not going to go down well with the likes of Sharpton.

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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"][QUOTE="Blayde-"]

The bigger picture is that "discomfort" does not equal racist. So many here keep trying to say that they are calling the game racist when its not necessarily the case. These people keep trying to say I am saying the game is racist when that's certainly not the case. The bigger picture is that you need to put aside your personal feelings and really listen to what a person is saying rather than simply thinking of your next argument.

Blayde-

Well, considering your entire argument is predicated upon emotional response it's rather hypocritical to suggest I put away personal feelings. As a point of fact, my argument is founded upon objectivity and putting aside silly, knee-jerk reactions while you seem to be asserting that we must go through this life with a touchy-feely stick so that nobody is ever offended.

Here's god's truth: people will always be offended no matter what you do, write, say or play. The Haitians were pissed at GTA: VC, the Italians were pissed by their portrayal in shows like the Sopranos and Adam Sessler was "uncomfortable" because a few brief shots of RE5 reminded him of racism.

It's much ado about nothing.

Your point of view is not objective, it's detached because you don't have the same life experience. Saying one is made uncomfortable is not a knee jerk reaction and I'm not sure why you guys just don't get this. Being uncomfortable is not condemming and in fact a lot of good art, music, literature makes people uncomfortable at first glance.

The italicized portion shows that you are simply not understanding the dicussion. I am not saying that at all I am saying that you cannot tell someone their feelings are invalid when it comes to imagery because that is the purpose of imagery (to evoke emotional response).

I am also saying that if you do offend someone you might actually want to listen to their reasons rather than just blabering on trying to defend yourself. People here are so busy trying to defend RE5 from some generic attack that they have not even understood the situation and it shows in the discussion.

I'm perfectly capable of following your line of reasoning and I think my arguments have remained consistent. You by contrast are all over the grid at this juncture and you seem to be arguing for argument's sake.

What's even more ridiculous is how unable you are to grasp even the fundamentals of logic. Detachment, which you accuse me of, is often needed for true objectivity. A person who isn't detached because of their "life experience" may actually have a more difficult time being objective because bias seeps in and warps their perspective.

And yes, Sessler's response was a knee-jerk reaction, which is basically a hasty reaction or conclusion that a person comes to without weighing all of the facts. One of the more astute points made by Skylock is that tossing around comments that even suggest racist undertones is incredibly inflammatory and irresponsible, especially given how little we actually know about the game.

We live in a free society so any idiot can say what he wants. However, that doesn't mean his opinion carries anything remotely compelling and as a society we must learn to quickly identify and differentiate the legitimate concerns from the nonsense, which this entire issue most certainly is. I'm also sorry you think this issue is about defending RE5, which it isn't. The real issue is about letting the vocal minority piss and moan and spread dissention when nothing nefarious or even remotely offensive has occurred. I've seen various videos of this game in motion and it bears no resemblance to any historical period of racism. There is no imagery or use of symbols or allegory that would suggest this game is anything but a RE set in Africa.

Perhaps the real crux of this issue isn't that people don't have a right to be uncomfortable (they obviously do) but rather they need to be more judicious in how they express their feelings. Sessler enjoys a public forum that reaches into many, many venues and as such he should apply a bit more caution in what he says, especially when his opinion is predicated on a few moments of footage.

The bottom line is this: his comments were ignorant and irresponsible.

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#186 Doctor-Salvador
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So Sessler is an overly PC sissy as well? Go change your tampon, Adam. The only people who think RE5 is racist, are themselves, the actual racists.Iszk

Pwnd! But seriously, I would expect a game that is set in africa to actually have africans in it. What else are they gonna do, use the spaniards? In Africa? Get outta my frikkin office!

Also, the game does have white zombies in it, just not as many... because its frikkin AFRICA!

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#187 viewtiful26
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The gametrailers web site says it's releasing a new Resident Evil 5 in about two hours...here we go.
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#188 AtomicTangerine
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I hope this is like what albinos did when the Da Vinci Code movie came out and they believed it portrayed albinos as murderers and assasins.

I want Al Sharpton to come out and say, "Black people are no more likely to become a member of the undead horde than white people. In fact, the black community has always remained steadfast in its anti-zombie stance."

Really, when you actually start talking about it, it becomes very ridiculous.

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#189 PlayBox39
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So bascially this is some idiot whining about nothing?

OK.

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#190 Neoyamaneko
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This video is pretty old, but it's still pretty relevant to the topic...

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/21276/Sesslers_Soapbox_Resident_Uncomfortable.html?videoCategory_key=8

viewtiful26

Conversely, if Chris were killing white zombies in Africa, people would say how racist it was that there aren't any black zombies considering it is Africa.

Where were these bleeding hearts when you blow the head off the police sergeant in RE2?

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#191 kyacat
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whoa calm down so Adam doesn't like resident evil 5 right now ? geez he was just giving his opinon on the game
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#192 MetalGear_Ninty
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Well, it looks like the racism row is going to be subdued as Capcom have revealed a new black female protagonist who seems to be Chris' partner in the game:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34647.html

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#193 Neoyamaneko
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Well, it looks like the racism row is going to be subdued as Capcom have revealed a new black female protagonist who seems to be Chris' partner in the game:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34647.html

MetalGear_Ninty

Nah. They'll just say she fills the "Magic Negro" archetype.

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#194 UT_Wrestler
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I'd think people would be rejoicing, considering the fact that you rarely see many black zombies in horror games/movies.

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#195 Angry_Beaver
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Well, it looks like the racism row is going to be subdued as Capcom have revealed a new black female protagonist who seems to be Chris' partner in the game:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34647.html

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Awesome trailer! It makes me want to play RE4 again. :D

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#196 MedicMike66
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A couple of years ago he made some off-hand remarks about how Black Hawk Down made Somalians look like savages.

The U.S. military can be just as savage, but apparently he hasn't seen the photos of the naked Army/Delta bodies being drug through the streets by militants.

I would take anything Sessler or Morgan Webb had to say with a grain of salt, and their show has always been a complete joke.

And those who complain about RE5 being racist are only reinforcing the black & white double standard. I clearly saw tenticles coming out of the villigers mouths... If it depicted Chris going into some uninfected persons' house and raping, and killing them -- that would be different.

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#197 crosstongue
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For all of you people destroying a games reputation because we will be killing zombies who happen to be of a dark skinned decent.. you do realise that the entire game a black female works with you? and that periodically you are also pared up with another black army man aswell. Whats your rebuttle to that. The reason they decided to have it in africa is because it ties into the theory that life began there. If you have been keeping up with the trailers and interveiws/ screen shots you would know. Also A beta with a few levels has already been released in Japan so go check out some screen shots there are some really awsome ones out there now. Those things everyone thought were just hyennas or wild dogs that just jump on you like in the old resident evils.. man were they wrong the things split in half kinda like in THE THING and the parasites tenticals attack its prolly the coolest resident evil non boss enemy ive ever seen, kinda reminded me of deadspace alot
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#198 _Kikode_
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Me and my Dad do a Mean Adam Sessler impression lol. Hunch shoulders up lower neck and talk through your nose. Lol hes a still a funny go though just fun to do every time hes on.
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#199 crambles
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Yea i know its in africa but its a little to much i mean theres diffrent colored people you can mix it up.
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#200 UT_Wrestler
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Why the hell was this ancient thread bumped?