Empire Magazine's 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time

Sorry if this is old, its new to me and I think it's the best list I have seen to date.

http://www.empireonline.com/100greatestgames/

I think there should be a thread of the 10 Greatest games of this generation, quick some make a thread about it :P

Ah, FFVII's number 2 on this list. *nods approvingly*BladesOfAthena

I am very happy that Resident evil is in the top 25, even if it is the 25th. That game holds so many memories for me, and im just glad that its given the proper respect that ive always had for it.

Yea I only looked at the top 10 and judging from what I saw that list is pretty crappy...I like COD4 and everything, but there is no way it's the 4th best game ever. OoT at #8...I don't even think Empire is a publication that has anything to do with videogames.

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"]

I am very happy that Resident evil is in the top 25, even if it is the 25th. That game holds so many memories for me, and im just glad that its given the proper respect that ive always had for it.

dvader654

Well, youre wrong, first off. The other RE games just keep on getting more extreme, trying to out-do the one before it, to the point where RE 5 isnt even considered a Survival Horror, and youre not even fighting Zombies. The original is beautifully simple. Sometimes, less, really is more. But just because the gamesyou like arent anywhere on the list where you want them to be, doesnt mean the list is "terrible". This is basically somebody elses list, so if you dont like the results, make your own list. Besides, its all on a matter of taste and opinion.

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"]

I am very happy that Resident evil is in the top 25, even if it is the 25th. That game holds so many memories for me, and im just glad that its given the proper respect that ive always had for it.

dvader654

[QUOTE="BladesOfAthena"]Ah, FFVII's number 2 on this list. *nods approvingly*Oilers99

[QUOTE="Oilers99"][QUOTE="BladesOfAthena"]Ah, FFVII's number 2 on this list. *nods approvingly*BladesOfAthena

It is a very good list of games they have, the placing can be argued, and some games I would have wanted in, but that is secondary.

They did manage to pick a lot of very good games from a wide range of genres... it is better then alot of other top 100's

Grandoise in scale? I'm speaking about a combat system that doesn't have enough depth to sustain a forty hour experience. Final Fantasy VII is a good game, but there are numerous other RPGs that trump it, both in storytelling and gameplay.Oilers99

So you're basing the overall quality of the game on just one aspect alone? I don't think that's fair.

Just what is so shallow about the combat system anyway? Or are you not taking into the consideration the materia system in your criterion? What exactly were you expecting?

[QUOTE="Oilers99"] Grandoise in scale? I'm speaking about a combat system that doesn't have enough depth to sustain a forty hour experience. Final Fantasy VII is a good game, but there are numerous other RPGs that trump it, both in storytelling and gameplay.BladesOfAthena

So you're basing the overall quality of the game on just one aspect alone? I don't think that's fair.

Just what is so shallow about the combat system anyway? Or are you not taking into the consideration the materia system in your criterion? What exactly were you expecting?

That list probably had the most games that I've never heard of out of any of the top 100's I've seen. I was sad when I saw Chrono Trigger was only #67, but when Left 4 Dead was ahead of it at #66, it made it quite a bit worse lol.

one of the worst attempts at a top 100 list that i have seen in a long time...maybe ever...here are some lowlights:

Baffling Inclusions in Top 20: COD4, World of Warcraft, GTA IV, Gears of War, Halo

Glaring Omissions in Top 20: Super Metroid, Castlevania SOTN (not even in top 100), Super Mario Brothers, Tetris, Sonic the Hedgehog

No mega man game made the top 100...

No Dragon Force or Guardian Heros in top 100...

No Star Fox in top 100...

No Mario Brothers 3 in top 100...

seriously you can't tell me that speedball 2: brutal deluxe is better than any of these games

It really sounds like they made a list of revolutionary games (I.E. WoW, FFVII, and COD4)rather than GREAT games. Nothing wrong with that though as every game on that list is great too.

That list is a complete joke.

On another note,FF7 is overrated garbage.

It really sounds like they made a list of revolutionary games (I.E. WoW, FFVII, and COD4)rather than GREAT games. Nothing wrong with that though as every game on that list is great too.

Almighty-mints

those games aren't exactly revolutionary...

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

It really sounds like they made a list of revolutionary games (I.E. WoW, FFVII, and COD4)rather than GREAT games. Nothing wrong with that though as every game on that list is great too.

orion_52

those games aren't exactly revolutionary...

How aren't they?
WoW- Maybe not the first MMO, but its definately pushed the genre to the next level. 11 million players? Wow.

FFVII- It was the first Final Fantasy to give the whole cinematic experience RPGs are expected to have now-a-days.

COD4- This game changed online FPS games forever. It really did. The online component was almost perfect.

[QUOTE="orion_52"]

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

It really sounds like they made a list of revolutionary games (I.E. WoW, FFVII, and COD4)rather than GREAT games. Nothing wrong with that though as every game on that list is great too.

Almighty-mints

those games aren't exactly revolutionary...

How aren't they?
WoW- Maybe not the first MMO, but its definately pushed the genre to the next level. 11 million players? Wow.

FFVII- It was the first Final Fantasy to give the whole cinematic experience RPGs are expected to have now-a-days.

COD4- This game changed online FPS games forever. It really did. The online component was almost perfect.

these games refined existing formulas

wow...you said yourself it wasn't the first mmo...the most popular maybe, but doesn't justify a top 10 ranking imo, let alone a top 3

ffvii and cod4 are the seventh and fourth games in their respective series, and they are each part of an established formula of games...other similar games existed at the time they were released

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

[QUOTE="orion_52"]

those games aren't exactly revolutionary...

orion_52

How aren't they?
WoW- Maybe not the first MMO, but its definately pushed the genre to the next level. 11 million players? Wow.

FFVII- It was the first Final Fantasy to give the whole cinematic experience RPGs are expected to have now-a-days.

COD4- This game changed online FPS games forever. It really did. The online component was almost perfect.

these games refined existing formulas

wow...you said yourself it wasn't the first mmo...the most popular maybe, but doesn't justify a top 10 ranking imo, let alone a top 3

ffvii and cod4 are the seventh and fourth games in their respective series, and they are each part of an established formula of games...other similar games existed at the time they were released

Have you played any of the Final Fantasy games before VII? Do that and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And I was talking about COD4's online component being revolutionary. Its almostcompletely different from its predecessors...

But Ill agree with you that they don't deserve top 10 rankings. Thats kind of weird if you ask me.

I know i might get flamed for this but i always think Halo:CE should be Number 10 or 9 in the top games. Seriously that game was Amazing for it's 2001 release IMO really saved the Xbox and made the FPS Market on Consoles BIG! not to mention releasing on the PC nearly 2 years later and still getting amazing scores from all around. Now before you attack me hermits, i actually am one of you lol Half Life 1 should be around number 5 and Doom 7th ish i thinkwalkingdream

i'm not flaming you, but i vehemently disagree...halo ce in the top 10 games of all time is pretty much impossible...too many game changers and classics to ever make the cut...take mario for example...would you seriously consider putting halo ahead of super mario brothers, super mario 3, super mario world, mario 64 or even mario galaxy? That's 5 right there...so halo c.e. would have to be better than 5 other games all time outside of mario...i'm not seeing it dude...i have a hard time seeing it in the top 20 even.

Almighty - I agree FF7 was a radical departure from the NES and SNES games in the series, but there were other similar rpgs at the time on psx and saturn

Almighty - I agree FF7 was a radical departure from the NES and SNES games in the series, but there were other similar rpgs at the time on psx and saturn

orion_52

Oh definately. Many come to mind (Vagrant Story, Grandia, etc.). Butwhen people think JRPG they think Final Fantasy (most people anyways) and when FFVII was released it changed all of the following games in the series therefore changing RPG's biggest poster child.

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[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

How aren't they?
WoW- Maybe not the first MMO, but its definately pushed the genre to the next level. 11 million players? Wow.

FFVII- It was the first Final Fantasy to give the whole cinematic experience RPGs are expected to have now-a-days.

COD4- This game changed online FPS games forever. It really did. The online component was almost perfect.

Almighty-mints

these games refined existing formulas

wow...you said yourself it wasn't the first mmo...the most popular maybe, but doesn't justify a top 10 ranking imo, let alone a top 3

ffvii and cod4 are the seventh and fourth games in their respective series, and they are each part of an established formula of games...other similar games existed at the time they were released

Have you played any of the Final Fantasy games before VII? Do that and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And I was talking about COD4's online component being revolutionary. Its almostcompletely different from its predecessors...

But Ill agree with you that they don't deserve top 10 rankings. Thats kind of weird if you ask me.

Here are games that are currently on my all-time list that are excluded from Empire Magazine's.

Whether it would fit with the ones I sort of agree with on the list and where they'd exactly place iunno.

Bushido Blade 2
California Games
Capcom vs SNK Pro
City of Villains
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix 2
Dance Dance Revolution Ultramix 3
Dark Age of Camelot
Dead or Alive 4
Def Jam: Icon
Dragon Ball Z Budokai
Dragon Ball Z Hyper Dimension
Duck Hunt
Duke Nukem 3D
EverQuest
Galactic Pinball
Game Boy Camera
Guilty Gear X2
Gunstar Heroes
Halo 2
Jet Set Radio
Killer Instinct II
Landstalker
Lord of the Rings Conquest
Lumines
Mega Man
Mortal Kombat 3
Ninja Gaiden
Pac-Man
Pokemon Red
Pokemon Snap
Quake III: Arena
Riddick Bowe Boxing GG
Shining Force II
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix
Solitaire
Space Giraffe
Star Fox 64
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Super Street Fighter II
Super Street Fighter Turbo Revival
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1989
The Legend of Zelda
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Viva Pinata
Wacky Worlds Creativity Studio
WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2007
X-Men Arcade
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Yo! Noid

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

[QUOTE="orion_52"]

these games refined existing formulas

wow...you said yourself it wasn't the first mmo...the most popular maybe, but doesn't justify a top 10 ranking imo, let alone a top 3

ffvii and cod4 are the seventh and fourth games in their respective series, and they are each part of an established formula of games...other similar games existed at the time they were released

texasgoldrush

Have you played any of the Final Fantasy games before VII? Do that and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And I was talking about COD4's online component being revolutionary. Its almostcompletely different from its predecessors...

But Ill agree with you that they don't deserve top 10 rankings. Thats kind of weird if you ask me.

For sure. FFIV is easily the most revolutionary of all of them. But I was trying to stay within the limits of the top 100list in the OP.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

Have you played any of the Final Fantasy games before VII? Do that and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And I was talking about COD4's online component being revolutionary. Its almostcompletely different from its predecessors...

But Ill agree with you that they don't deserve top 10 rankings. Thats kind of weird if you ask me.

For sure. FFIV is easily the most revolutionary of all of them. But I was trying to stay within the limits of the top 100list in the OP.

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] If a shooters online componenet was revolutionary...Counterstrike gets the nod. FFVII was not that revolutionary...the only revolution was graphics, other than that, it played just like FFVI with a much weaker story and characters. The most revolutionary FF was FFIV, because basically every FF used that system until XII (X modified it) as well as its methods of storytelling. VII was also not the first FF not in the medieval setting, FFVI was.

texasgoldrush

For sure. FFIV is easily the most revolutionary of all of them. But I was trying to stay within the limits of the top 100list in the OP.

VIII is my personal favorite for FF. But what I want to know, is why arent Vagrant Story and Xenogears on the list?!? Xenogears is my personal favorite old school RPG.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

For sure. FFIV is easily the most revolutionary of all of them. But I was trying to stay within the limits of the top 100list in the OP.

Almighty-mints

VIII is my personal favorite for FF. But what I want to know, is why arent Vagrant Story and Xenogears on the list?!? Xenogears is my personal favorite old school RPG.

agree with you dude...just another glaring exclusion

[QUOTE="Almighty-mints"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Final Fantasy VI should be in the top 10 best games of all time....it is still the class in the JRPG genre for storytelling and Chrono Trigger is the class of the genre for gameplay. FFVII should be in the best 100, maybe top 25..........but VI and maybe even IV and X are superior to VII.orion_52

VIII is my personal favorite for FF. But what I want to know, is why arent Vagrant Story and Xenogears on the list?!? Xenogears is my personal favorite old school RPG.

agree with you dude...just another glaring exclusion

This was really just a list of popular and revolutionary games. Thats all.

Whereas there are alot of games on there on formats that I never had (PC, N64, Mega-Drive etc), so I can't really comment on them, I don't think its the best list. I am happy that Street Fighter 2 made no 6 though.

Call of Duty 4 No.4? Hmmm, not sure. This is the game that ignited my love for the FPS genre, so I think it is the best one that I have ever played. Don't think its top 5 worthy though in the history of ALL games.

There's no way that Super Mario World should be #1. I'm a little outraged that Tetris isn't n the top 5.

Overall, an average list of games there really.

I'm suprised about finding Dungeon Keeper 2 in this list.I tought this game wasn't very popular

Any list like this isn't going to satisfy everyone but it's hard to criticise a list that was voted for by readers. I think it's a nice mix of games really, and it's nice to see a list where Amiga game aren't mysteriously wiped from history. I was a little miffed by the lack of Megadrive games but on the whole I think it's a fairly solid list of games.

Terrible, terrible list. WoW is better than Goldeneye, OoT, Super Mario 64 and just one behind FF VII?
I somehow don't think so.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I know i might get flamed for this but i always think Halo:CE should be Number 10 or 9 in the top games. Seriously that game was Amazing for it's 2001 release IMO really saved the Xbox and made the FPS Market on Consoles BIG! not to mention releasing on the PC nearly 2 years later and still getting amazing scores from all around. Now before you attack me hermits, i actually am one of you lol Half Life 1 should be around number 5 and Doom 7th ish i thinkorion_52

i'm not flaming you, but i vehemently disagree...halo ce in the top 10 games of all time is pretty much impossible...too many game changers and classics to ever make the cut...take mario for example...would you seriously consider putting halo ahead of super mario brothers, super mario 3, super mario world, mario 64 or even mario galaxy? That's 5 right there...so halo c.e. would have to be better than 5 other games all time outside of mario...i'm not seeing it dude...i have a hard time seeing it in the top 20 even.

[QUOTE="orion_52"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I know i might get flamed for this but i always think Halo:CE should be Number 10 or 9 in the top games. Seriously that game was Amazing for it's 2001 release IMO really saved the Xbox and made the FPS Market on Consoles BIG! not to mention releasing on the PC nearly 2 years later and still getting amazing scores from all around. Now before you attack me hermits, i actually am one of you lol Half Life 1 should be around number 5 and Doom 7th ish i thinkwalkingdream

i'm not flaming you, but i vehemently disagree...halo ce in the top 10 games of all time is pretty much impossible...too many game changers and classics to ever make the cut...take mario for example...would you seriously consider putting halo ahead of super mario brothers, super mario 3, super mario world, mario 64 or even mario galaxy? That's 5 right there...so halo c.e. would have to be better than 5 other games all time outside of mario...i'm not seeing it dude...i have a hard time seeing it in the top 20 even.

Im not personally a fan, but I must say Halo was pretty influential.

Torment was only at #11? Bugger that.

...and where are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime? Most sites would put them in their top ten lists.

Oh, and no Thief or Monkey Island games in the top 50? The list fails horribly.

It's a comprehensive list that works better, as Oilers said, if you handle it as a "Games you must play" list, in no particular order. That way, I can somehow overlook the abhorrent mistake that the list creators made putting StarCraft at 52. I counted 2 GTA, 3 MGS, 3 RE, 2 Mario, 2 Halo, 2 HL games before finding the rusty spot that these people decided one of the most memorable RTS experiences ever should be in.

May them have zerglings spawning from their behinds.