Eurogamer: PS4 games have access to only 4.5GB of RAM. (Out of 8GB)

What a disaster. 3.5 GB dedicated to the f*cking OS? I thought this was supposed to be a gaming machine? If you think about it, that's nearly HALF of the memory available dedicated to mother f*cking Netflix and Youtube.

In comparison, The Xbone reserves 'only' 3GB for the OS and it is doing much more than whatever the f*ck the PS4 is doing when it comes to multimedia.

What a f*cking disaster. I just knew Sony would f*ck up somehow. This is it.

The PlayStation 4 reserves 3.5GB of GDDR5 its 8GB memory for the operating system, leaving 4.5GB of space for game code, according to current documentation PS4 shown to Digital Foundry by a well-placed source in the studio. However, other sources suggest that an additional 1GB of "flexible memory" can be claimed of booking OS, based on availability.

Sony's internal documents say 4.5GB is the base amount of memory available for game developers guaranteed (notice the memory usage in the demo Killzone: Shadow Fall) and probably what most of the launch games will use. However, other sources close to Sony indicate that programmers can borrow up to 1GB of additional "flexible memory" and use it to improve elements of the game - but only if the OS background to be able to lend. They told us that this is not trivial to incorporate, and can even be initially only internal studios seek their usage.

The current development kits PS4 has a "Save Mode for Memory Game" in the settings that you have two options: normal and large. The normal mode confirms that the memory 4.5GB are usable for gaming applications. The big way that increases considerably to 5.25GB, but the documents are clear in that the extra RAM here is only available for application development, presumably to accommodate data debug. As we know, the gig extra flexible memory seems to work in addition to these concessions.

The news that the OS reserves the PS4 is on the same level as the equivalent of Xbox 3GB One will surely surprise many, especially given that previous documents from Sony who escaped just spoke 512MB allocated to programs in the system - although this information reassemble the era in which the new PlayStation would be launched with only 4GB of memory.Eruogamer

http://www.eurogamer.pt/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory_1

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This morning Eurogamer Spain sub director published a Tweet:

Translation: PS4 Memory drama. More info soon.
The info was supposedly for this afternoon but later he corrects:

Translation: The article will be publish tomorrow, it's better like this, will be more info.
Tranlsation: A very interesting tech article, 24 hours delay because Sony want to make statements.

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It will be hilarious if it's the PS4 that gets downgraded after all the MS downgrade talk. Either way there are only a few possibilites. Either Sony lied about the bandwidth, or the allocation of RAM to the OS is larger than we expected (3 out of 8GB instead of 1GB) or they are going with less than 8GB RAM. Either way, this is going to be interesting to watch. Sony is going to get a lot of shit for this. :lol:

This would be interesting. Regardless the system would still be capable even with a memory downgrade cause as of now 8 GB is still a lot of memory for a gaming system.

Thread over its nothing. 

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

dvader654

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing. 

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

Pedro

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing.

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

firefox59

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

We won't know what's really going on until when they spill the news, so we just gotta wait and see what Sony is going to do.

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing. 

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

Pedro

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing.

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

F1Lengend

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

Why? It sounds like you want to see XBox One win because it's more powerful or something. :P I think both systems are identical, at this point, like how 360 or PS3 are in terms of graphical capabilities, but some games have an advantage in terms of ports and which system runs better, but that's about it though.

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing. 

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

F1Lengend

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"][QUOTE="Pedro"]

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

chrisrooR

amirite?

He's being sarcastic. Also implying that Pedro wants the PS4 to not be as powerful as we all think it is.

dude just tweeted that everyone calm down, it's just how the PS4 memory works. It's complex of course it is. So chill the hell out.

https://twitter.com/kr3at0r/status/360573712937914370

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"] Lets hope, amirite.S0lidSnake

amirite?

He's being sarcastic. Also implying that Pedro wants the PS4 to not be as powerful as we all think it is.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Why would you want that? Don't you, as a customer, want the best value for your money?F1Lengend

amirite?

He's being sarcastic. Also implying that Pedro wants the PS4 to not be as powerful as we all think it is.

There are lots of people who are planning to buy Xbones (it does boast a nice library and will undoubtedly get strong support from non-indie developers) and there are even a few out there planning on buying Wii Us (it is the only place fans of Mario/Zelda/Metoid can get their fix). Such people are going to do what they do no matter what, but no doubt they would feel a lot better if Sony was infected by the same idiocy that seems to be infecting the other two first parties (both of who are or will ship their systems with controllers which are of unprecendented expense).

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

Thread over its nothing. 

Translation: Keep calm! Its something about how the memory works and nothing more. Nothing serious.

firefox59

It may simply be that PS4 is not as powerful as the specs imply.

dude just tweeted that everyone calm down, it's just how the PS4 memory works. It's complex of course it is. So chill the hell out.

 

https://twitter.com/kr3at0r/status/360573712937914370

 

Enfamous_Mr_BHC

Was worried. Now I'm calm.

UPDATE: Eurogamer: PS4 games have access to only 4.5GB of RAM. (Out of 8GB)

What a disaster. 3.5 GB dedicated to the f*cking OS? I thought this was supposed to be a gaming machine? If you think about it, that's nearly HALF of the memory available dedicated to mother f*cking Netflix and Youtube.

In comparison, The Xbone reserves 'only' 3GB for the OS and it is doing much more than whatever the f*ck the PS4 is doing when it comes to multimedia.

What a f*cking disaster. I just knew Sony would f*ck up somehow. This is it.

The PlayStation 4 reserves 3.5GB of GDDR5 its 8GB memory for the operating system, leaving 4.5GB of space for game code, according to current documentation PS4 shown to Digital Foundry by a well-placed source in the studio. However, other sources suggest that an additional 1GB of "flexible memory" can be claimed of booking OS, based on availability.

Sony's internal documents say 4.5GB is the base amount of memory available for game developers guaranteed (notice the memory usage in the demo Killzone: Shadow Fall) and probably what most of the launch games will use. However, other sources close to Sony indicate that programmers can borrow up to 1GB of additional "flexible memory" and use it to improve elements of the game - but only if the OS background to be able to lend. They told us that this is not trivial to incorporate, and can even be initially only internal studios seek their usage.

The current development kits PS4 has a "Save Mode for Memory Game" in the settings that you have two options: normal and large. The normal mode confirms that the memory 4.5GB are usable for gaming applications. The big way that increases considerably to 5.25GB, but the documents are clear in that the extra RAM here is only available for application development, presumably to accommodate data debug. As we know, the gig extra flexible memory seems to work in addition to these concessions.

The news that the OS reserves the PS4 is on the same level as the equivalent of Xbox 3GB One will surely surprise many, especially given that previous documents from Sony who escaped just spoke 512MB allocated to programs in the system - although this information reassemble the era in which the new PlayStation would be launched with only 4GB of memory.Eruogamer

http://www.eurogamer.pt/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory_1

Why did they OS have to bloat up with the addition of more ram?LongZhiZi

512MB is more than enough for a console OS. The PS3 OS uses only 50MB.

Sony is obviously trying to compete with MS here. And seeing as how they suck at OS design and engineering (at least compared to MS who has been doing it for 30+ years), they probably felt compelled to put as much RAM in there as possible. I think windows takes less than 1GB so this must be for all the multitasking bullshit. (Watch netflix and play your game at the same time.)

It's extremely shady and disingenious especially after touting 8GB of RAM during the reveal and how they 'listened' to the devs who wanted 8GB of RAM. Yeah sure... you listened and gave them 4.5GB instead. What a bunch of lying little bitches.

I remember a week or two ago someone stating how the OS was using at least one of the eight cores. I was asking about this, it almost seemed like a slip.

For the first time since the reveal and the E3 confirmation of used games, I am worried.

I remember a week or two ago someone stating how the OS was using at least one of the eight cores. I was asking about this, it almost seemed like a slip.

 

For the first time since the reveal and the E3 confirmation of used games, I am worried.

RussellGorall

Nope. 2 of the 8 cores are dedicated to the OS.

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"]Why did they OS have to bloat up with the addition of more ram?S0lidSnake

512MB is more than enough for a console OS. The PS3 OS uses only 50MB.

Sony is obviously trying to compete with MS here. And seeing as how they suck at OS design and engineering (at least compared to MS who has been doing it for 30+ years), they probably felt compelled to put as much RAM in there as possible. I think windows takes less than 1GB so this must be for all the multitasking bullshit. (Watch netflix and play your game at the same time.)

It's extremely shady and disingenious especially after touting 8GB of RAM during the reveal and how they 'listened' to the devs who wanted 8GB of RAM. Yeah sure... you listened and gave them 4.5GB instead. What a bunch of lying little bitches.

Well there goes your prior conviction of the PS4 having more RAM available for gaming the Xbox One. I also recall telling you that the amount of RAM that would be available would similar to MS :o It still doesn't change anything as far as I am concern. Both systems are going to have very similar performance.

What a trainwreck. Wasn't this the console that was originally intended to only have 4GB of ram? Now they double it, but almost the entire amount is dedicated to the OS. Were they not planning an OS before or something? Why did they OS have to bloat up with the addition of more ram?LongZhiZi

The OS is not bloated. Allocating the RAM is specifically for multitasking. Features such as downloading in the background, playing a game while its being downloaded,recording gameplay, social networking among other features need resources outside of the gaming resources and is not an indication of a bloated OS.

The slow agonizing death of game consoles continues. When a machine built for videogames is now being built for 7000 other things (that take away from videogames) it becomes a PC. It is only a matter of time until they become extinct.GodModeEnabled

Just like phones, multi functionality is the sellingpoint of all furture entertainment and communication devices. The concept of a console is slowly becoming old school.

You know what? I just don't care. I'm sure the games will look amazing regardless, i'm already impressed by footage for a few games and this is only the start.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]The slow agonizing death of game consoles continues. When a machine built for videogames is now being built for 7000 other things (that take away from videogames) it becomes a PC. It is only a matter of time until they become extinct.Pedro

Just like phones, multi functionality is the sellingpoint of all furture entertainment and communication devices. The concept of a console is slowly becoming old school.

But my Galaxy S3 has a total of 1.6GB of RAM and a million more apps than PS4 will ever have.

omg. :lol:

But my Galaxy S3 has a total of 1.6GB of RAM and a million more apps than PS4 will ever have.

S0lidSnake

The computational requirements for a phone apps are NOT the same as the requirements for apps/features on the PS4. The comparison is absurd.

Disappointing is putting it mildly. Most PC games have a minimum requirement of 4 GBs of RAM, and as the generation progresses it's only going to get higher. Meanwhile consoles are stuck with bloated OS's (how the hell did Sony manage to make one with a larger footprint than Microsoft's 3GB?). So Sony has less RAM available than the X1 (albeit faster than the X1's slower DDR3 RAM vs the PS4's GDDR5). In other words, if games were going to be significantly better on the PS4 I somehow doubt that is the case now. 

Crazy how back in February they wowed us with the 8 GBs of GDDR5 and now we learn this. 

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]The slow agonizing death of game consoles continues. When a machine built for videogames is now being built for 7000 other things (that take away from videogames) it becomes a PC. It is only a matter of time until they become extinct.Pedro

Just like phones, multi functionality is the sellingpoint of all furture entertainment and communication devices. The concept of a console is slowly becoming old school.

Maybe this will finally stop the insane PS4 RAM hype.

But it's not that big of a deal and it's pretty much what I expected. I always warned you not to take the hard specs at face value, that there are other things to consider, but you always acted as if you had it all figured out.

The PS4 and Xbox One will be almost identical in real-world performance.

So the only significant difference remaining (other than exclusives) is one has Kinect and one does not...

So the only significant difference remaining (other than exclusives) is one has Kinect and one does not...

Vari3ty

$399 vs $499

1,200 GFlops GPU vs 1,840 Gflops GPU

DDR3 VS GDDR5 RAM

Seemed inevitable given all the fancy features they were touting back in February. Also:

A few things to remember about this. 1. This is likely space saving at the start of the gen because the OS isn't fully optimized. Last gen both systems had their OS see major improvements that opened up more RAM. 2. Sony must know that no games releasing at launch need more than 5 gigs of Ram and thus they can cap it early and unlock it as needed. The article even says this. I'd expect about 6 gigs to be available to developers in 2-3 years. 3. Few games really need 5 gigs of RAM. It's the GPU that matters most. People are getting worked up over nothing.LordOfPoms

This.

So I guess this is bad? All third party games would have been similar so since the 360 had limits the pa4 would have had the exact same ones. For first party it says by can use extra ram. Whatever, I didn't u sweatband the 8G thing, I don't understand this not do I care. The games will be there regardless.dvader654

You should care. They are selling you a $400 console with a 1.6Ghz processor (albeit 8 core) and a high end GPU from 2010. 2010!

THe only impressive thing about this console was the GDDR5 RAM. But guess what? Instead of using the GRAPHICS RAM for games, they are saving 44% of it just so you can run Netflix and youtube in the background while you play video games. 

So the only significant difference remaining (other than exclusives) is one has Kinect and one does not...

Vari3ty

And the price. Everything else is trivial.

You should care. They are selling you a $400 console with a 1.6Ghz processor (albeit 8 core) and a high end GPU from 2010. 2010!

THe only impressive thing about this console was the GDDR5 RAM. But guess what? Instead of using the GRAPHICS RAM for games, they are saving 44% of it just so you can run Netflix and youtube in the background while you play video games.

S0lidSnake

I am amazed that you are surprised. You really believe that all the features they were touting would be crunched into 1GB? That is simply illogical. This news is NOT going to negatively affect upcoming games and is far from being a deal breaker or bad news. Its only bad news to folks who weren't thinking it through when the info was initially released.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

You should care. They are selling you a $400 console with a 1.6Ghz processor (albeit 8 core) and a high end GPU from 2010. 2010!

THe only impressive thing about this console was the GDDR5 RAM. But guess what? Instead of using the GRAPHICS RAM for games, they are saving 44% of it just so you can run Netflix and youtube in the background while you play video games.

Pedro

I am amazed that you are surprised. You really believe that all the features they were touting would be crunched into 1GB? That is simply illogical. This news is NOT going to negatively affect upcoming games and is far from being a deal breaker or bad news. Its only bad news to folks who weren't thinking it through when the info was initially released.

2.85 GB. Thats my Windows RAM usage when running Steam, Hitman ABsolution (2nd Chapter CHinaTown High Settings at 1080p), Skype, Five Chrome tabs and Immortals running on Netflix. And thats with the Windows OS overhead.

If Vita can suspend a game to run the internet browser with 256MB of RAM, if PS3 OS takes 50MB and runs Youtube, Netflix and Hulu with no problems then it is NOT illogical to expect the PS4 to be able to suspend the game and run Netflix in the background with 1GB of RAM. After all, it was rumored that the PS4 only had .5GB of RAM allocated to the OS when they had 4GB of RAM in the devkits.

It's not a deal breaker. Just Sony being untruthful about the specs. 

I call BS on all accounts.