Greatest Stealth Game of All Time?

@Macutchi: @Macutchi:

Well you could restock them and all your other gear at key locations........ yeah you couldn't interrogate them..... but you could capture them for Intel later.

I've definitely pulled someone over an open ledge but I'm not sure about ledges with balconies...... will have to change to lethal and test it.

You could see more if you attached them higher..... plus you get like 5 of them if you go for a stealth build...... 10 if you do it in Co-Op. :p

what diffetence does turning back make ? You wind up in the same place..... anyway there were numerous alternative paths in the main missions, your team would let you know about them.

@Lulu_Lulu: most levels in chaos theory were like a compound / base that you could make your way around in anyway you wanted. quite a few of the levels had you exit in the same place you started. i preferred that kind of open level instead of the moving from set piece to set piece in blacklist. it was all too predetermined. there were plenty of invisible walls too. i don't remember many alternate paths, definitely not anything like the more open levels in chaos theory

@Macutchi:

I don't remember Chaos Theory that well. But Double Agent and Blacklist weren't that differen't other than that place were you hang out.

Anyway in Blacklist you move from Arena to arena...... thats how I would describe it. You may get funneled into a vent or a corridor but the parts were you do your actual stealthing were large and non linear..... kinda like the Predator Challenges in Arkham City..... And thats just the Main Missions.... the side missions were even more open and had multiple and optional objectives that you could do in whatever order...... as far as Grims missions atleast.

Ehmm, i would buy it because its a splinter cell game and i enjoyed every single one of them up until this one.

Also isent it pretty obvious they tried to make it open world? you dont have to follow a certain path plus you have the coop-optional and coop only missions plus the multi-player visible

@Jacanuk:

Nope.... they made it more like Mass Effect..... except without the Gay Sex. :(

@Macutchi: Well said dude. Some areas in Blacklist force you to walk through front door or climb wall next to it but you still end up in the same area,,, just few feet away. That's just illusion of "freedom". As you said, if you move away, you hit invisible walls.

Not a very good design choice for a Stealth game. While it was a lot better than Conviction and step in the right direction but it's still inferior to previous games when judged as a Stealth game. It had some good moments though, like gadget upgrades. That was a nice touch.

Damn,,, and I thought I was crazy because I finished Mass Effect 2, Max Payne 2 and Witcher 2 like 20 times. And now since I know that I'm not the only one who plays games over and over again... I'm gonna replay those games again. One day I may even break your record.... We'll see. BTW Blood Money was excellent game.

I am like you in regards to preferring the single player experience over co op, put it this way ive played 50hrs of dying light and not one minute of that has been in online mode.

So as a like minded person i don't feel that the mostly co op optinal side missions intrudes on the single player experience in the slightest.

The missions from briggs are not part of the single player game/story so you are not missing out on any single player story.

Plus the briggs missions are obviously tailored with co op in mind and you dont like co op so why are you worried about not being able play them?

Do you not have a friend you can invite to do co op with you? That way its not just some random.

there is still plenty of other side missions as well as the whole single player missions to get on with, not to mention the fact that you can re do all those missions on various difficulties and you can try go lethal then non lethal or try being a ghost. Try weapons and gadgets you previously haven't used.

There is a hefty single player experience to be had and your letting 4 co op only missions ruin the whole game for you. I know its your opinion but it doesn't make sense to me.

Also i dont get what you mean about the game tries to be open world.

The level design is open giving you alot of choice/freedom and room to maneuver, add to that tight controls amazing spy gadgets weapons good AI and graphics, i dont think any real stealth fan can say that this game is shit if they do they are trolling, and all this talk about this game has made me want to start playing it again so i will.

I dont think blacklist was set piece heavy at all, maybe a couple of set pieces in main story but not much, i really dont like set piece heavy games like cod, and bioshock infinite etc.

The levels had variety and gave a lot of room and freedom tonplay how ever you wanted.

Love it.

@ariabed:

Tight Controls ? :o

No way dude...... Blacklist had Many Many Many control issues.

not set piece in the sense of call of duty, lulu described it best as moving from arena to arena.

it's all just opinions though. glad you loved it. i didn't. i thought it was the most generic, action-centric, one-size-fits-all formulaic splinter cell to date. but to each their own

It might be my "ocd" when it comes to completing games with side missions that is the biggest problem here.

But again the Briggs missions are there in the single player part , you can stand and talk to Briggs get the information and then be told "hey no luck, you need to find another player" For me that is just a nuisance that shouldn't be there, I get that they wanted to cater to people who love co-op , but they should have made it so that these missions were not visible if you clicked the single player. Even if you can play the whole game and these missions do nothing special.

And i have plenty of people who play these kinds of games, but again i hate relaying on others. Particular as a perfectionist , i hate to play with a friend who then messes up or do not do things in a certain way. Thats the biggest reason why I almost never play co-op.

So sure there might be a decent amount of single player but Blacklist besides the above just isn't a very good game, its way to open world and non-linear for me to enjoy. And what i mean by open world is that they have you pick and chose which direction you want to go as to missions, you can do the random multi-player optional or you can do the main story missions. That takes away from the Splinter Cell experience they used to have and also not everything has to be pick&choose/openworld today.

@Jacanuk:

Dude the Paladin is the main menu..... you can access the single player, stats, customization and upgrades and multiplayer from there..... the actual single player content is accessed from the SMI....

The Co-Op missions are not part of the single player they are just part if the Paladin.

The word you are looking for is Non-Linear.... just like Mass Effect....... its not Open World... its just non-linear.

I was one of the first to post in this thread. i come back expecting to scroll through page after page of people verifying my statement that Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is the greatest stealth game of all time.

Instead, I find remarks about Tenchu, Metal Gear, or even Hitman. If the OP wanted a discussion, then he should have made the thread about what is the SECOND best stealth game of all time. In which case, we could all discuss the merits of SC 1, or Pandora Tomorrow.

This isn't rocket science folks. These are easily provable facts. Anyone who disputes this truth only has to play the game to be convinced.

Blacklist doesn't count because Micheal Ironside isn't the voice actor for Sam Fisher.

Maybe for you, i found the controls to be fine and i never got frustrated with them.

One size fits all, how so?

i have never found an action + stealth game better than metal gear solid series. it still is the best according to me. the way hideo kojima have balanced the stealth mode with action and with an awesome story behind makes it the perfect master piece series.

@babyjoker1221: "Blacklist doesn't count because Micheal Ironside isn't the voice actor for Sam Fisher."

I understand there was alot of but hurt over this voice actor change, i don't get why people let the silliest of things stop them from enjoying a good game.

Gamers nothing but spoilt children sometimes :p