GTAIV Episodic Content Exclusive to 360

Wha, what?! There has beenplenty of third party gear for the XBOX and the X360, I'm not sure what you mean here.MarcusAntonius

There's some (definitely not plenty), and I'm talking about Microsoft's obsessive practice of having to approve every single piece of third-party accessory.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Wha, what?! There has beenplenty of third party gear for the XBOX and the X360, I'm not sure what you mean here.UpInFlames

There's some (definitely not plenty), and I'm talking about Microsoft's obsessive practice of having to approve every single piece of third-party accessory.

If it isn't produced by MS, licensed or backed by warranty by MS, why would they need to approve it?:?

If it isn't produced by MS, licensed or backed by warranty by MS, why would they need to approve it?:?MarcusAntonius

Microsoft didn't have much control over their own products last gen - it was something they're not accustomed to. That's why, with the 360, they've changed everything. Microsoft is demanding royalties for every single piece of 360 third-party gear. In other words - complete control.

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]If it isn't produced by MS, licensed or backed by warranty by MS, why would they need to approve it?:?UpInFlames

Microsoft didn't have much control over their own products last gen - it was something they're not accustomed to. That's why, with the 360, they've changed everything. Microsoft is demanding royalties for every single piece of 360 third-party gear. In other words - complete control.

Didn't know they were getting royalties. And yet using third party products can possibly be used as grounds for voiding a warranty while MS makes money off of them, lame.

But whining about where the Store and Network is right now makes zero sense, and it makes even less sense to constantly insinuate that Live will FOREVER be superior. Perhaps none of you have noticed, and it may be because most of you have never touched a PS3 but are posting based on second-hand info, but the Network has gone through more than a few updates since the PS3 launched last year. They are adding features found on Live literally every month.

fathoms_basic

Well, I own an XB360 and I've been a PS3 owner since February so don't waste my time with insinuations that I'm some type of rabid MS fan boy. I'm an objective gamer and multi-console owner and I call it like I see it.

That said, I really don't think you own an XB360 nor do I believe you have spent any real time using the XBL service. Your statements really don't mesh with objective reality and your constant attempts to downplay Live and hype the PSN strike me as more than a tad disingenuous.

Lastly, Sony has done nothing to convince me that they are ready to take on XBL head-to-head. Everything about the PS Store and Network is inferior, save the actual online machinations of playing a game. That the network is only six months old is a weak excuse, especially when considering what MS accomplished with XBL inits first six months.

1)XBL isthe best service, something Sony itself has implicitly acknowledged, so I don't see why you are up in arms about a statement of the obvious.

Considering I've admitted the exact same thing about a half-dozen times, I don't see how I'm "up in arms" about anything. Furthermore, Sony has ALSO acknowledged they're continually upgrading the service with many of the features seen in Live, which is something nobody here - apparently - wants to even bother talking about.

2) You downloading just as much fromPSN as XBLis fine and good, as is the fact you play more online games on the PS3, but yourclaim that thefact that XBL costs a 50 dollar flat fee keeps you from playing XBL games much doesn't make any sense. Once you've paid the fee, you can play to your heart's content without incurring additional expense. Also, your claim that you don't have to sign up to play PS3 games online isn't true. One has to sign up for PSNthe same way one has to sign up in XBL (creating a user id and password) and on both systems one is logged in automatically when one turns on the system.

You know that wasn't the point. The point was that one is free and one is not. And the $50 fee is NOT for lifetime access to Live; you pay that again at the end of the year, my friend. No, it's not expensive, but it's a difference. It matters, regardless of what anything thinks.

3) Like I said, Sony and MS are both trying to sell hardware to us right now, so comparing their service right now is only logical. Yes, as a service PSN has improved and Sony has some ambitious plans, but that doesn't change the fact that currently XBL is the superior service which receives far more content than PSN.

Already said the exact same thing.

4) If you'rean industry insider that has access to informed reports which confidently predict which service is going to be where by December of this year, I salute you sir. I am a lowly gamer who can only reach conclusions based on my experiences, not secret reports.

I am, of sorts, and I have seen reports and heard things I'm not really allowed to repeat here. Well, I'm not comfortable doing it, anyway. Whether you accept what I have to say is entirely up to you. The sources could be BS, anyway, what do I know?

5) As near as I can tell (I read every post you responded to) you are quoting/reacting to a statement no one in this thread has made. Also, I don't see why you are accusingpeople who disagreewith you of not being PS3 owners. I am and I know Grammaton is. Just because one owns a system or gameit doesn't necessarily follow that one believes that there is no room for improvement.

The person who initially made the ONLY statement I've taken issue with is CarnageHeart, who said, and I quote, "The network is up, but it's not very well supported (even by Sony)..." This isn't even close to being true, especially considering how much of the content and upcoming features are all from SONY. Furthermore, he did not answer my question as to whether or not he owns a PS3, which to me, means he doesn't. The reason this is an issue is simple: all I ever see is rampant negativity agains the PS3 from people who have never touched one. You don't suppose this is a problem? Because I do. I would never do any such thing on a system I don't own.

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]

But whining about where the Store and Network is right now makes zero sense, and it makes even less sense to constantly insinuate that Live will FOREVER be superior. Perhaps none of you have noticed, and it may be because most of you have never touched a PS3 but are posting based on second-hand info, but the Network has gone through more than a few updates since the PS3 launched last year. They are adding features found on Live literally every month.

Grammaton-Cleric

Well, I own an XB360 and I've been a PS3 owner since February so don't waste my time with insinuations that I'm some type of rabid MS fan boy. I'm an objective gamer and multi-console owner and I call it like I see it.

That said, I really don't think you own an XB360 nor do I believe you have spent any real time using the XBL service. Your statements really don't mesh with objective reality and your constant attempts to downplay Live and hype the PSN strike me as more than a tad disingenuous.

Lastly, Sony has done nothing to convince me that they are ready to take on XBL head-to-head. Everything about the PS Store and Network is inferior, save the actual online machinations of playing a game. That the network is only six months old is a weak excuse, especially when considering what MS accomplished with XBL inits first six months.

Ironic as hell. I'm not supposed to waste your time with insinuations, and then you claim I don't own a 360? That's just plain genius, champ. I own one, I've been on both, and I know what each has to offer. The funniest part of that post, of course, is the "...save the actual online machinations." Because after all, that isn't what matters at all? No, it's the damn friends list that gets my motor running, not the actual PLAYING OF THE GAME ONLINE.

For such an "objective gamer," you really don't bother with the actual reports of the future, do you? You must not care. But I'm not about to list them, because as an "objective gamer," I'm sure you already know about them, and have considered them. I mean, after this massively hypocritical post, I'm wondering if you own...well, anything.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][]

1)XBL isthe best service, something Sony itself has implicitly acknowledged, so I don't see why you are up in arms about a statement of the obvious.

Considering I've admitted the exact same thing about a half-dozen times, I don't see how I'm "up in arms" about anything. Furthermore, Sony has ALSO acknowledged they're continually upgrading the service with many of the features seen in Live, which is something nobody here - apparently - wants to even bother talking about.

2) You downloading just as much fromPSN as XBLis fine and good, as is the fact you play more online games on the PS3, but yourclaim that thefact that XBL costs a 50 dollar flat fee keeps you from playing XBL games much doesn't make any sense. Once you've paid the fee, you can play to your heart's content without incurring additional expense. Also, your claim that you don't have to sign up to play PS3 games online isn't true. One has to sign up for PSNthe same way one has to sign up in XBL (creating a user id and password) and on both systems one is logged in automatically when one turns on the system.

You know that wasn't the point. The point was that one is free and one is not. And the $50 fee is NOT for lifetime access to Live; you pay that again at the end of the year, my friend. No, it's not expensive, but it's a difference. It matters, regardless of what anything thinks.

3) Like I said, Sony and MS are both trying to sell hardware to us right now, so comparing their service right now is only logical. Yes, as a service PSN has improved and Sony has some ambitious plans, but that doesn't change the fact that currently XBL is the superior service which receives far more content than PSN.

Already said the exact same thing.

4) If you'rean industry insider that has access to informed reports which confidently predict which service is going to be where by December of this year, I salute you sir. I am a lowly gamer who can only reach conclusions based on my experiences, not secret reports.

I am, of sorts, and I have seen reports and heard things I'm not really allowed to repeat here. Well, I'm not comfortable doing it, anyway. Whether you accept what I have to say is entirely up to you. The sources could be BS, anyway, what do I know?

5) As near as I can tell (I read every post you responded to) you are quoting/reacting to a statement no one in this thread has made. Also, I don't see why you are accusingpeople who disagreewith you of not being PS3 owners. I am and I know Grammaton is. Just because one owns a system or gameit doesn't necessarily follow that one believes that there is no room for improvement.

The person who initially made the ONLY statement I've taken issue with is CarnageHeart, who said, and I quote, "The network is up, but it's not very well supported (even by Sony)..." This isn't even close to being true, especially considering how much of the content and upcoming features are all from SONY. Furthermore, he did not answer my question as to whether or not he owns a PS3, which to me, means he doesn't. The reason this is an issue is simple: all I ever see is rampant negativity agains the PS3 from people who have never touched one. You don't suppose this is a problem? Because I do. I would never do any such thing on a system I don't own.

fathoms_basic

You didn't understand that I, Carnageheart, wrote the above post you responded to, did you?

One last thing: the ONLY content exclusive to the Xbox 360 is these two SPECIFIC packs of episodic content. This does NOT mean ALL episodic content for GTA IV will be exclusive to Live. There is content scheduled for BOTH platforms, but Microsoft is parading this around like some kind of victory. Apparently, to get a rise out of forumites, which they've once again succeeded in doing.fathoms_basic

Yeah, which is supposed to be the length of Liberty Cities Stories, which is pretty huge. This won't be a big deal for the average consumer who just buys GTA and every year's Madden, but for me it is a big enough thing that given 2 totally identical versions where one has MORE downloadable stuff than the other, I'll go with the one with more downloads. PS3 might get some too, but I bet the 360 will get those on top of the exclusive one. The only people who should be mad about this are people who only have a PS3 and are getting screwed over because Microsoft would rather control the industry for the long-term than make a short-term profit.

You dont need to be a member of Live Gold to buy content like the one they will offer with GTAIV correct.dvader654

Correct.

You dont need to be a member of Live Gold to buy content like the one they will offer with GTAIV correct.dvader654

Yep, you only pay when you want to actually play the games online. Microsoft runs all the servers, which is why most old Xbox Live games are still up when similar games on PS2 are now offline. If MGS3 or Resident Evil: Outbreak were on Xbox, they would still be up.

[QUOTE="dvader654"]You dont need to be a member of Live Gold to buy content like the one they will offer with GTAIV correct.AtomicTangerine

Yep, you only pay when you want to actually play the games online. Microsoft runs all the servers, which is why most old Xbox Live games are still up when similar games on PS2 are now offline. If MGS3 or Resident Evil: Outbreak were on Xbox, they would still be up.

MGS3 online...Almost One Year Live!!!

With online wars. This gen is really looking similar to last.

One last thing: the ONLY content exclusive to the Xbox 360 is these two SPECIFIC packs of episodic content. This does NOT mean ALL episodic content for GTA IV will be exclusive to Live. There is content scheduled for BOTH platforms, but Microsoft is parading this around like some kind of victory. Apparently, to get a rise out of forumites, which they've once again succeeded in doing.fathoms_basic

No one (not Take-Two, Rockstar, or Sony) has announced and/or confirmed any PS3 content. It's pure fantasy at this point. Considering that episodic content headed to the 360 is supposedly rather lenghty, it's unrealistic to expect that Rockstar will develop entirely different content for the PS3. Rockstar North is a big team, but come on.

[QUOTE="fathoms_basic"]One last thing: the ONLY content exclusive to the Xbox 360 is these two SPECIFIC packs of episodic content. This does NOT mean ALL episodic content for GTA IV will be exclusive to Live. There is content scheduled for BOTH platforms, but Microsoft is parading this around like some kind of victory. Apparently, to get a rise out of forumites, which they've once again succeeded in doing.UpInFlames

No one (not Take-Two, Rockstar, or Sony) has announced and/or confirmed any PS3 content. It's pure fantasy at this point. Considering that episodic content headed to the 360 is supposedly rather lenghty, it's unrealistic to expect that Rockstar will develop entirely different content for the PS3. Rockstar North is a big team, but come on.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

If the best retort you can come up with is that XBL costs money then...well...good luck with that.

Sony has a loooooong way to go before they can even begin to approach what XBL is delivering every day.

MarcusAntonius

Agreed. Most of all, people are forgetting the age old adage- you get what you pay for. Between eating the production cost of the PS3 whlie claming they could provide an XBL-caliber online experience free of charge, I don't know why so many gamers were deluded enough to believe that the laws of scarcity didn't apply to Sony.

That should logicallyaffect some features, but stuff like trailers and demos is essentially advertising, which should pay for itself. Thatis why I am confused by the fact that such content is rarer on PSN than XBL. PSN has a fraction of thecontentof Sony's offical website (for example, Playstation.com has a trailer of Folklore, but PSN doesn't).

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

If the best retort you can come up with is that XBL costs money then...well...good luck with that.

Sony has a loooooong way to go before they can even begin to approach what XBL is delivering every day.

CarnageHeart

Agreed. Most of all, people are forgetting the age old adage- you get what you pay for. Between eating the production cost of the PS3 whlie claming they could provide an XBL-caliber online experience free of charge, I don't know why so many gamers were deluded enough to believe that the laws of scarcity didn't apply to Sony.

That should logicallyaffect some features, but stuff like trailers and demos is essentially advertising, which should pay for itself. Thatis why I am confused by the fact that such content is rarer on PSN than XBL. PSN has a fraction of thecontentof Sony's offical website (for example, Playstation.com has a trailer of Folklore, but PSN doesn't).

Perhaps that's due to the fact that PSN trailers need to be better produced/in higher resolution, as there's a good probability they're going to be displayed on an HDTV.