Official Sony E3 Thread. PS4 $399 399 Euro 349 Pounds. No DRM,Online Paywall

Do not give in! This is how this shit started on Xbox with Xbox Live which ended up to where we are today. That's just the first freaking step. Microsoft should have fugging dropped their fee, not Sony charging too. I'm urging Xbox fans in the Xbox forum to cancel their Xbox Live memberships now.

You know this might be an opportunity to help everyone out. They may not listen to words...or Twitter begging. Current Xbox Live Arcade members have a weapon they didn't realize. They have a $2.7 billion dollar a year weapon! That's how much Microsoft rakes in.

I have never used Facebook or Twitter or any of that stuff because I really like my privacy. With so many Xbox fans jumping ship why not put that weapon to good use? How about a Twitter campaign with an "I canceled my Xbox Live membership" hashtag and a free online gaming message attached to it? And people who cancel it get to participate. How can we get that started? I don't have a GAF account anymore but couldn't those guys start something like that? That will send a REAL message, they can actually feel. Not begging.

[QUOTE="Ish_basic"]

This was very typical of a Sony conference: slow, methodical, speaking as much to investors as to gamers. They didn't show what any of their big guns are doing, but the fact is we know they actually have big guns in the first place. They said there are going to be 20 first party titles releasing within the first year and 40 are in development - that knowledge is enough for me. They also laid out the business model in place with respect to the services at launch and those coming online later. It was very informative and consumer friendly.

On the other hand, MS's conference was a lot more fun, if you're a gamer. But what I felt were the best games on display in their conference are not exclusives, and the ones that are, like the very promising Ryse, are from companies they don't own. So what are they going to do AFTER this batch of games comes out?

To me, Sony's conference was them saying " We have a plan," and MS's Conference was saying "look at the handful of exclusives we bought!" And then Sony rubbed their balls in MS's face with that youtube video. Stating this as a person planning on buying both consoles - tonight must have felt really good for Sony.

S0lidSnake

That whole DRM segment was Sony just plain shitting on Microsoft. It was brutal and old school pwnage. Reminded me of the Crash commercials. 

Reminded me of the PS Vita "$249.99!!!" and look how that turned out...

I feel like Sony is getting too much of a free pass for a mediocre conference really, don't get me wrong, allowing used games and no always online component is great, but there was a lot of bad too. For starters "Sony won't impose any NEW restrictions on PS4 games" basically means "Online passes are still a thing." And then the whole paying for online, that's a pretty big loss, as well as them basically handing the PS Vita another plate of scraps for the second year in a row. Then there's the games, so, many, multiplats. Even the best reveals of the show, FF15 and Kingdom Hearts aren't exclusive. The Order was the only exclusive game we didn't already know about that they showed off. All of the rest is either playable on Xbox One, PC or consoles I already own.

And my absolute favourite part? They still didn't show a single reason why the touchpad isn't a complete waste of time and money, the PS4 controllers cost £54 (!) and that's surely contributing to that cost, why???

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="Ish_basic"]

This was very typical of a Sony conference: slow, methodical, speaking as much to investors as to gamers. They didn't show what any of their big guns are doing, but the fact is we know they actually have big guns in the first place. They said there are going to be 20 first party titles releasing within the first year and 40 are in development - that knowledge is enough for me. They also laid out the business model in place with respect to the services at launch and those coming online later. It was very informative and consumer friendly.

On the other hand, MS's conference was a lot more fun, if you're a gamer. But what I felt were the best games on display in their conference are not exclusives, and the ones that are, like the very promising Ryse, are from companies they don't own. So what are they going to do AFTER this batch of games comes out?

To me, Sony's conference was them saying " We have a plan," and MS's Conference was saying "look at the handful of exclusives we bought!" And then Sony rubbed their balls in MS's face with that youtube video. Stating this as a person planning on buying both consoles - tonight must have felt really good for Sony.

bobbetybob

That whole DRM segment was Sony just plain shitting on Microsoft. It was brutal and old school pwnage. Reminded me of the Crash commercials. 

Reminded me of the PS Vita "$249.99!!!" and look how that turned out...

I feel like Sony is getting too much of a free pass for a mediocre conference really, don't get me wrong, allowing used games and no always online component is great, but there was a lot of bad too. For starters "Sony won't impose any NEW restrictions on PS4 games" basically means "Online passes are still a thing." And then the whole paying for online, that's a pretty big loss, as well as them basically handing the PS Vita another plate of scraps for the second year in a row. Then there's the games, so, many, multiplats. Even the best reveals of the show, FF15 and Kingdom Hearts aren't exclusive. The Order was the only exclusive game we didn't already know about that they showed off. All of the rest is either playable on Xbox One, PC or consoles I already own.

And my absolute favourite part? They still didn't show a single reason why the touchpad isn't a complete waste of time and money, the PS4 controllers cost £54 (!) and that's surely contributing to that cost, why???

Could you verify the part about Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 not being exclusive to the PS4?BranKetra

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="Ish_basic"]

This was very typical of a Sony conference: slow, methodical, speaking as much to investors as to gamers. They didn't show what any of their big guns are doing, but the fact is we know they actually have big guns in the first place. They said there are going to be 20 first party titles releasing within the first year and 40 are in development - that knowledge is enough for me. They also laid out the business model in place with respect to the services at launch and those coming online later. It was very informative and consumer friendly.

On the other hand, MS's conference was a lot more fun, if you're a gamer. But what I felt were the best games on display in their conference are not exclusives, and the ones that are, like the very promising Ryse, are from companies they don't own. So what are they going to do AFTER this batch of games comes out?

To me, Sony's conference was them saying " We have a plan," and MS's Conference was saying "look at the handful of exclusives we bought!" And then Sony rubbed their balls in MS's face with that youtube video. Stating this as a person planning on buying both consoles - tonight must have felt really good for Sony.

bobbetybob

That whole DRM segment was Sony just plain shitting on Microsoft. It was brutal and old school pwnage. Reminded me of the Crash commercials. 

Reminded me of the PS Vita "$249.99!!!" and look how that turned out...

 I feel like Sony is getting too much of a free pass for a mediocre conference really, don't get me wrong, allowing used games and no always online component is great, but there was a lot of bad too. For starters "Sony won't impose any NEW restrictions on PS4 games" basically means "Online passes are still a thing." And then the whole paying for online, that's a pretty big loss, as well as them basically handing the PS Vita another plate of scraps for the second year in a row. Then there's the games, so, many, multiplats. Even the best reveals of the show, FF15 and Kingdom Hearts aren't exclusive. The Order was the only exclusive game we didn't already know about that they showed off. All of the rest is either playable on Xbox One, PC or consoles I already own.

 And my absolute favourite part? They still didn't show a single reason why the touchpad isn't a complete waste of time and money, the PS4 controllers cost £54 (!) and that's surely contributing to that cost, why???

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Could you verify the part about Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 not being exclusive to the PS4?bobbetybob

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]Pay to play online is super lame, you disappointed me, Sony. Black_Knight_00

So far, that's the only real disappointment in Sony's corner. Not a dealbreaker for me though.

Perfect price and I love the no DRM or required online thing. While the setting of The Order was cool, I wish Sony had shown gameplay. Bungie's Destiny looked very Haloish (as I've said before, whatever idiot at MS decided they needed to give Bungie the boot because of their desire to make an online shooter needs to be kicked out of the industry) and exclusive or not, I'm thrilled that KH3 was announced.

There were several interesting looking indie games (only 'console exclusive') and 3rd party games shown (the gameplay footage of Watchmen looked fun as did that of AC up until it glitched though I'm skeptical about that series :P ).

I liked the new footage of Knack (the elemental nature of some of his forms is a nice touch), Infamous (given how powerful the character is, I'm really interested in seeing his superpowered enemies), and Killzone (loved the forest setting and the drone).

Still, Sony didn't offer anywhere near the volume of first party content I was expecting (I would never have guessed that a spiritual sequel to LBP would have been shown not at Sony's conference, but MS's).

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Especially considering PS+ offers much more value than Xbox Live (for 10 bucks a year less too): free games every month, significant discounts, access to closed betas and more.Lucky_Krystal

Unfortunately I missed the conference so I'm just now going over all the articles GS has been posting. For the recquired PS+ did they specify if:

• It was going to be just like Live, in that it will be recquired to do things like watch netflix on your PS4. Also, we will see ads regardless of having paid for the service?
• If its still going to be exactly like current PS+ with free games every month, discounts, etc?
• Prices?

They didn't specify in the article.

Hope this answers your questions.

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Especially considering PS+ offers much more value than Xbox Live (for 10 bucks a year less too): free games every month, significant discounts, access to closed betas and more.Black_Knight_00

Unfortunately I missed the conference so I'm just now going over all the articles GS has been posting. For the recquired PS+ did they specify if:

• It was going to be just like Live, in that it will be recquired to do things like watch netflix on your PS4. Also, we will see ads regardless of having paid for the service?
• If its still going to be exactly like current PS+ with free games every month, discounts, etc?
• Prices?

They didn't specify in the article.

Hope this answers your questions.

At the conference Sony stated PS Plus will continue to get free games every month and that the free launch game will be Driveclub, so while being forced to pay for online sucks, at least that isn't all you are getting.

What Tretton said is "Non subscribers will be able to play single player and access media services" which is fairly vague. However, it is fair to assume that premium features will include online multiplayer, neflix, ustream, cloud storage, gaikai and cross game chat. If I know how Sony operates at all, you'll still be able to use the web browser even if you're not a Plus subscriber, which is not possible on the Xbox 360.

As far as ads go, I know as much as you do, but I can tell you how it is on PSN right now: there are no third party commercial ads anywhere on the PS3 dashboard or the store. No ads for snacks or drinks or commercial partners of any sort. There is a "What's new" panel which you have to intentionally access and gives you a few examples of latest releases, and on the US store there's a small scrolling text bar near the system clock which generally notifies you of discounts and offers.

The price for PS+ is $50 a year and it's supposed to remain the same on PS4. However keep in mind that you can easily find subscription cards on ebay for as low as $30, which brings the monthly fee to $2,50.These few dollars grant you access to discounts on virtually every article on the store, up to 3 free games every month, including full retail and arcade games (notable examples have been Red Dead Redemption, Demon's Souls, Batman Arkham City and Limbo), which remain yours for as long as you renew your subscription, and free avatars and themes which remain yours indefinitely regardless of your subscription.

Hope this answers your questions.

Black_Knight_00

It did thanks.

If that's how its going to be then I think I can live with having to pay for PS+

Also, while I doubt it will matter to 99% of gamers (though a decent amount of people imported Demon's Souls) the PS4 is region free.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582701

Perfect price and I love the no DRM or required online thing. While the setting of The Order was cool, I wish Sony had shown gameplay. I had give up hope of ever seeing KH3 (loved part 1, 2 not so much and the countless handheld sequels kind of lost me).

Bungie's Destiny looked very Haloish (as I've said before, whatever idiot at MS decided they needed to give Bungie the boot because of their desire to make an online shooter needs to be kicked out of the industry) and exclusive or not, I'm thrilled that KH3 was announced. There were several interesting looking indie games (only 'console exclusive') and 3rd party games shown (the gameplay footage of Watchmen looked fun as did that of AC up until it glitched though I'm skeptical about that series :P ).

I liked the new footage of Knack (the elemental nature of some of his forms is a nice touch), Infamous (given how powerful the character is, I'm really interested in seeing his superpowered enemies), and Killzone (loved the forest setting and the drone).

Still, Sony didn't offer anywhere near the volume of first party content I was expecting (I would never have guessed that a spiritual sequel to LBP would have been shown not at Sony's conference, but MS's).

 

CarnageHeart

I was hoping for The Last Guardian to show up, that it hasn't is confirmation to me that it's dead. What is the problem with that game, why can't Sony just finish it? So frustrating.

MirkoS77

They ought to finish it this year or cancel it. I love the work of Team Ico, but an 8+ year development cycle is insane.

Stole this awesome Infamous Second Son gif from the neogaf.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582431

EDIT: Screenshot from the same source.

I want to see more of The Order. There's too little Steam Punk out there.

I was really impressed with the indie showcase. Several games being briefly shown off and you could tell the little guys were thrilled to be there, especially that one that was introduced with "they didn't think we'd want to talk to them at all so we put them on stage". I'm very excited to see Transistor confirmed for the PS4, too, as I was sad Bastion never made it to the PS3.

The only disappointment was lack of first party titles but let's face it: we know they're coming. Sony has been on the ball with first party studios for year and they needed to show that they could compete on other grounds. Securing the Destiny reveal, all those indie developers, the price point, these were the details we needed to see and Sony delivered. I suspect we'll see Uncharted 4 and other high tier titles later on.

Plus is honestly a no brainer if you own Sony products. Practically my entire Vita library is free games from Plus. I have over 30 games sitting on my HD to play on PS3, free stuff they gave me. The $50 pays for itself in a month or two. The value is ridiculous. Forget the online thing, even without that Plus is easily worth having.dvader654

[QUOTE="dvader654"]Plus is honestly a no brainer if you own Sony products. Practically my entire Vita library is free games from Plus. I have over 30 games sitting on my HD to play on PS3, free stuff they gave me. The $50 pays for itself in a month or two. The value is ridiculous. Forget the online thing, even without that Plus is easily worth having.rragnaar

It's not about whether or not it's worth it. it's about locking away multiplayer of your $60 game behind a $50 paywall. They have a bunch of F2P games on the PS4. It's stupid that we have to pay $50 just to play F2P games.

I just reserved a PS4 at my local Gamestop (they have 32 preorder spaces, I was the 12th guy to take a spot).

That steam chat was hilarious and fun, we need to do that every year from now on. F GS.

I agree with Solid, I've been planning on getting PS+ with the launch of PS4 for a year now but I just don't like the principle of it.  So many people I know love the free PS online, they buy a game like NHL or COD and don't have to worry about fulfilling a subscription to play them.  I think policies like this are the reason Sony is huge overseas and I wonder if that will hurt their adoption rate.   

I was expecting a little more out of Sonys first party compared to MS in all honesty.  Here you have a siginificantly more powerful console plus the added benefit of Sonys super talented tech heads and they didn't really show the disparity last night.  It should be like exponentially better at this point.  Oh well, in due time I guess.  And while MS impressed me with their games, I know Sonys long term devotion to games will come through. 

Speaking of preorders, I need to do that ASAP, I just don't know where I will be living this winter. 

Btw, after the conference vid there was a small section about the UI and how you can dl stuff and play almost right away.  The UI looked really nice. 

Also regarding PS+, one undeniable thing about it is that it benefits the single player gamers just as much or even more than the MP players.  Its one hell of a value and I hope they continue to offer great free games (unlike live gold) and more importantly, discounts on new games.  I know in the first few months it will be a little bare bones with the selection but as long as they treat Plus like they do now, I wont be as pissed off.

Cotdamn inFamous looks hawt. 

I just reserved a PS4 at my local Gamestop (they have 32 preorder spaces, I was the 12th guy to take a spot).

CarnageHeart

Sony says that while you need to pay for online game access, you don't need to pay to say, watch Netflix.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/11/the-one-ps4-caveat-you-should-know-about/

Thats where Sony and Microsoft may be splitting with this new PS Plus policy. Sony has now said that while a PS Plus subscription may be required for online gameplay, thats not the case for other online media services. That means you will be able to access internet-based apps like Netflix without a PS Plus subscription, solving many of the problems people have with the fundamental nature of Xbox Live. No word yet from Microsoft if theyre making any accessibility changes in that regard.

Also if one PS account on a PS4 has PS+ all of the other accounts have online access, so families won't need to pay for multiple 'subscriptions'.

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-General-Discussion/Sony-confirms-1-account-with-PS-will-let-the-other-accounts-on/m-p/19111546

Tretton: "I have been dealing with the console industry is dying for my whole career now. I am pretty sure when I retire consoles will still be around. The consoles are not going away any time soon." MY HERO!!!! Consoles forever. Will not die despite MS trying their best to kill it.dvader654

I f*cking love this guy. Last year he came out in support of used games and he has kept his word. 

The online paywall is a bitter pill to swallow but at least Netflix and other apps are available for free. 

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

I just reserved a PS4 at my local Gamestop (they have 32 preorder spaces, I was the 12th guy to take a spot).

dvader654

Yeah, that's what I put down.

Rag I never got your reaction to Battlefield 4. You must have busted a nut.dvader654

rag missed the ms conference. he wouldve probably emptied his load after seeing the dark souls 2 footage anyway. :P

Rag I never got your reaction to Battlefield 4. You must have busted a nut.dvader654

Cotdamn inFamous looks hawt. 

Systems_Id

is there a demo somewhere?

that gif looks insane.

The Last Guardian is dead (aka 'on hiatus'). That probably means Team Ico is gone as well :|.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/the-last-guardian-on-hiatus

Sucks about the last guardian.

Gaddam Gamespot

Gaddam Gamespot

F1Lengend

Goddamn! 

Ive reading forbes, AP and other mainstream articles on yahoo all day and my god they have all been brutal. I have never seen press so vindictive with their wording. 

The Last Guardian is dead (aka 'on hiatus'). That probably means Team Ico is gone as well :|.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/the-last-guardian-on-hiatus

CarnageHeart

Screw this game. It was my most waited for game, and I think it will never see the light of day. Anyways, Sony has done everything right except the screw up with TLG.

I'm watching the Reggie interview on Gametrailers.  The last time I died from laughter and was happy with the grilling but now I just feel sorry for them.  This is brutal.