Resident Evil. What Happened?

@Lulu_Lulu: You do realize if there were no exclusives, every game out there would be the same. We need exclusives because we need competition. You can't have a game company declare a monopoly on the industry because you think exclusives are bad. Competition exists because otherwise we'd have extremely expensive games and systems to make up for the fact that this is a multi-billion dollar industry that thrives on a wide variety of customers. To lump everyone together and say "hey, everyone, we have all the games everyone loves on one gaming system" is to alienate those who would rather buy from one than the other. You have no idea how much brand loyalty is important. That's like telling everyone that Coke and Pepsi should become one soda company. It makes no sense because then there'd be no competition. We as human beings are both competitive and cooperative creatures by nature. Don't just say exclusives are bad without 1) giving actual proof that they are harmful, and 2) stating what is clearly YOUR OPINION as a fact amongst the consensus in an industry dominated by opinion rather than fact.

@Xeno_ghost

My point is painfully obvious, I refuse to explain it. This is just one of those things where if you can't see it yourself then theres nothing anyone can do to change that. Its like handing a blind guy a flashlight. Infact it would be very rude if I actually did explain it to you... I'm doing this for your own good....

@Lulu_Lulu: yeah but you haven't explained what harm it does and what's the negative effect of exclusives?

@Lulu_Lulu: No, being rude is not showing us your "facts" in order to prove your point. You claim to be this authority, and yet you do nothing to back yourself up. It might be painfully obvious to you, but maybe somebody else doesn't understand. If you could enlighten them as to your reasoning, then maybe - just maybe - people will finally understand where you're coming from. Until then, it's just empty, baseless words unless proven by hard evidence.

@mastermetal777

"You do realize if there were no exclusives, every game out there would be the same."

This is just stupid I'm sorry if I'm sounding rude or whatever but such statements aren't entitled to sincerity, not even fake sincerity....

Anyway, in order for there to be competition then there would already have to be simularities to begin with, infact competition is evidence that things are already the same. It never occurs to developers that in a world that already has Call of Duty, why would people settle for anything like Call of Duty ? A smart developer would realise this and make something else or make something better.

Everything won't be the same if everybody could play whatever they wanted unhindered by jumping through the Exclusivity Hoop.

@Xeno_ghost

It doesn't do any harm (none that I can prove anyway)... It just does less good, thats whats bad about it.

@Lulu_Lulu: Do you know how expensive it is to port games to other consoles, considering the difference in a game's code? When you have games that are multiplatform, there's almost always the argument of "which game plays better on what system." If the developer's intention is to make a game for multiple platforms, more power to them. If they have the money and resources, let them. However, exclusives are there to give that one company 2 things: spare money and resources, and brand loyalty. Not everyone agrees with exclusives, and even I have my doubts about them, but to do away with them entirely is backwards, since a lot of the multiplatform games on the market tend to fall into the "clone" territory, and almost always favor a familiar, but solid experience.

The other side to exclusives is that they keep the market from stagnating. You get those exclusives that are unlike anything the bigger devs and publishers are making, and you suddenly get a fresh take on the gaming industry. Stuff like Sunset Overdrive, The Witness, and many of the other exclusives wouldn't be nearly the games they're trying to be if not for the resources that each company gives them in order to make the experience as solid as possible without the need to port them and weaken them as a result. I'm not always for exclusives, but I'm not entirely against them either, as I can see the need for both.

"...it just does less good, and that's whats bad about it."

So, by your reasoning, if games don't innovate, they're automatic failures. Innovation is a giant risk. Studies have shown that more people buy what's familiar than what's innovative. It's a sad truth of the industry, but it makes sense when you think about it. Very few innovative games actually make considerable sales, and yet people are still buying the good ol' stuff. As much as gamers clamor for fresh new ideas, sales records show that this isn't the case at all.

@mastermetal777

Heres another thing, the Software seems to be exclusive too, I think developers would apreciate it if they weren't forced to use Direct X or whatever proprietary non-sense Microsoft only includes because they made it. It wouldn't be so painfully difficult to go muliplatform if Microsoft and Sony just used OS's and SDKs and libraries that that are actually better instead of using the stuff they came up with themselves just to "compete". Now that they have their own software and hardware they want them to succeed, that means even if the hardware can support other OS's and so on, they simply won't let it happen. Thats your precious exclusivity in all its precious glory.

Microsoft is notorious for doing this, they do whats good for them, no matter how much it inconveniences developers, and as a company thats what they are suppose to do.

Do you know why indie developers love the PC ? They can choose what kits, OS, libraries, etc and are not forced to comply with Beaurocratic Bullsh!t like they would be on consoles.

I don't even know how we wound up in a world where consoles have their own name, they are computers too, only worse.

This actually reminds me of that episode of Sillicon Valley where that dude was trapped in an Ultimatum between selling his software for 10 Million Dollars or selling 5% of his ownership in exchange for 300 thousand dollars (for Capitol) and a long term business plan that would yield billions.

@Lulu_Lulu:

"It doesn't do any harm (none that I can prove anyway)... It just does less good, thats whats bad about it"

Ok you have no proof for your claim yet you call it fact.

Can you at least state the negative effects exclusives have?

What is this harm you cannot prove? :)

@Xeno_ghost

Its quite obvious you just want to win some dumb argument on the internet.... Okay, fine.... I have no proof (why you need proof of common sense is beyond me) no eye wintess, no DNA evidence. Nothing.

You win..... Feel better ?

Too bad that does nothing fix this sorry excuse of an industry.

@Lulu_Lulu: why so bitter? I'm sure if I had a opinion you didn't agree with and I said my opinion was fact you would be all over me to prove it, or at least state the reasons I think make my opinion fact. I think you're being a little immature (no offence)

@Xeno_ghost

Yes and if we were talking about how much I hate RPGs that wouldn't be an issue....

This is different. This is an actual problem.

Yes... I am very upset, I have every right to be. :(

Why even start a debate with no proof then? It's not "common sense" to anyone if it isn't what people think. Only you seem to think this way. You're the one who keeps stating claims without proof. Hell, even posting a blog about your ideas would be helpful, but no, you'd rather say what you think and back nothing up because, in your mind, you have all the facts and nobody else can prove you otherwise.

If you think this industry sucks, then why continue supporting it at all in its current state? I mean, that is what I'm hearing, right?

@mastermetal777

I didn't think I would need to prove something so obvious... This is not like Proving the earth is round, this is like proving gravity.... An insult to everyone involved.

I think I already had the "Exclusives are wrong" debate with you.

If you don't like my b!tching and moaning then I suggest you go to a forum thats designed against speaking freely.... If you wana stay here then just ignore my ramblings... If you can.

@Lulu_Lulu: And there you go again, thinking that everything you say is "obvious" to everyone. I have no problem with free speech. What I have a problem with is you claiming opinions as fact without concrete evidence. And it's kind of hard to ignore someone who feels the need to post their opinion on every single forum post and always has to have the opposite opinion. You have your theories about what video games should be, I have mine. We should leave it at that and get on with our lives already.

I get what lulu is saying about exclusives, especially third party exclusives.

It's just holding a game hostage, that's how it seems anyway.

@Lulu_Lulu: do you think "competition" is a bad thing all together in the consumer industry or just in gaming industry?

@mastermetal777

It is obvious... It many not be obvious to anyone whos invested so much time and money into something so obviously stupid, even I didn't think so at 1st. Infact everytime I discuss this with someone they either, already agree and no more than I do... Or they do what you're doing now, I understand proof is important but it seems like you're incapable of hypothetical thinking. You won't budge without proof for even the tiniest of things... I have proof, I'm not going to share it with you because I'm not here to win an Argument, I suppose thats something you would do...

@Xeno_ghost

No, I'm all for competition, but how do you determine who wins ?

Not that it matters, we lose anyway.

@blessingboi111:

Although we may be in the minority, I agree. I really enjoyed the original few RE games and thus far (only tried 4 for 30 minutes) am not impressed with the later versions.

@Lulu_Lulu:

"No, I'm all for competition, but how do you determine who wins"

We win, we get the benefits from the results of the competition between consoles devs publishers.

"I have proof, I'm not going to share it with you because I'm not here to win an Argument"

If you want people to agree with you and fight for your cause or just see things from your point of view you have to give us something to work with, open our eyes.

It's all good to have different opinions than the majority I can respect you for that, but to call your opinions fact, and then not even try to back that shit up doesn't do much for your credibility.

We could all make wild claims, and then when asked to prove those claims.....

@xeno_ghost: Thank you

@Xeno_ghost

Sure... For things like prices.... But thats as far as the relationship goes.

If you own more than one console.... You already lost.

@Lulu_Lulu: Lost what? Money? We lose money every day. And besides, not everyone buys a console at the same time. Brand loyalists will only buy from one company has but people who like variety will buy as much as they can within reason. I'm not ashamed of the consoles and games I've purchased, exclusive or not. I won't lump every game into one console or platform just because it's seemingly easier.

@mastermetal777

I typed a long ass wall of text explainging why Exclusives are bad..... Then I erased it.

Like I said its extremely obvious. If you find it insulting that you don't understand why I keep saying how obvious it is, well then I'm sorry, truly I am. Its a poor defense but I have no interest in winning, nobody benefits either way.

Hey look I made 8 thousand posts :).... Almost didn't notice.

@Lulu_Lulu: You saying it's obvious is becoming an empty statement. I don't know what makes it so obvious, and very few people do, in my experience. I view it as a necessary evil due to the need for competition in any market environment. But you have given nothing as a basis for your theory, making you a non-credible source of information. I would gladly give examples of the things I talk about just to back up my theories. I feel no need to if you're not gonna indulge the class simply because you want to make assumptions about what people do or do not know.

To put it simply, if you won't back your words up, neither will I. If anyone else asks, I'll gladly share with them.

@mastermetal777

Because You care about winning.... Don't get me wrong, I do too... Just not this time. Seriously, theres nothing I can tell you that you can't figure out for yourself, you don't even have to google it..... all it requires is for to think about it alil, without your gamer goggles ofcourse.

".....very few people do....."

actually very few "Gamers" do. Many People, in general, do see "it" clear as day. Its not a necessary evil, infact I've already proven that long time ago, it did nothing to change peoples view and I bet it won't do anything for you either.

Like I said, I'm not trying to win some random argument, like I usually do. So whatever man, if you don't get it its cool.

FYI, I understand your side of the story, if thats worth anything to you.

@Lulu_Lulu: And you made the incorrect assumption that I'm trying to win anything when I'm really not. I don't enter debates looking to win. I do them to discuss a topic, even if there's disagreement. If I hear an opinion, all I wish to know is why someone holds that opinion. I speak my opinion as simply that: my thoughts on a subject. If you disagree, I don't care. I can change my mind about something if it's substantial enough to warrant such a change. But a pet peeve of mine is when people spout opinions as though they were fact without some form of foundation for that thought. It makes one sound like a troll. I only state opinion. I don't say "everything I say is a fact."

I hope I cleared myself up for you. If anything I say has sounded like i was giving a fact, I apologize. It's hard to type my thoughts correctly at times.

@mastermetal777

I never said "Everything I say is fact", if I did I was exagerating for comedic effect, maybe that doesn't work so well outside of real social interactions.

But yeah, Exclusivity is Objectively bad. It maybe subjectively good for certain people, even for the Majority.... But Ultimately its bad. I think thats a fair fact. And no, I'm not going to prove it.

Don't worry, I still plan on proving why every one of my other "oppinions" are fact. Just not this one.

I've got to be honest, the only RE games I've ever found creepy are REmake and RE4 (and only at certain parts). The old games (from what I've played of them) are solid, but are hardly scary (unless you're like nine, in which case I could see somebody getting scared from them). The mechanics of the old games also struck me as quite ridiculous (trained professionals can barely shoot guns worth a damn). Not only that, but since the story is more sci fi than supernatural, the element of the unknown is totally gone. All it is are monsters being made by humans because why not. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed RE1 (normal version) and RE2 but I would hardly cal them horror masterpieces (like I sad, REmake is far and away the creepiest game in the series and even then it doesn't quite reach the levels that something like Silent Hill 2 and 3 did).

To me, RE4 is the best game in the series. The campaign is truly excellent, filled with great moments and fun gameplay. Plus it did still manage to be really creepy at a few points.

@Lulu_Lulu: "Because You care about winning...."

I don't care about winning, you obviously can see something wrong in exclusives that I cannot see, I just wanted you to educate me as to why exclusives are bad, maybe I would agree with you.

"Don't worry, I still plan on proving why every one of my other "oppinions" are fact. Just not this one"

I'm not interested in your opinions anymore, I was interested b4 but not now after this.

"I didn't think I would need to prove something so obvious..."

I find this statement quite patronizing.

Let me ask this. What is a horror game now? There are a large variety of survival horror these days and none seem to satisfy. Why? Whatever that answer is, that's why it was a good idea for Capcom to take the direction they did for the series. Honestly, who still gets scared playing the older Resident Evil games? RE3 was the game that scared me the most out of the ENTIRE franchise. Why? Because Nemesis was a great enemy in the game. He'd come through doors, blast through walls and hunt you down until you either took him out or died. Playing it today, I just run circles around him until I'm done laughing at how dumb his AI actually is and eventually take him out. I purposely decide the options to fight him every time. REmake really didn't scare me. I loved how the game looked though. It still looks damn beautiful and so does RE0. Scary? Hardly. Horror games are no longer scary, no matter what they put in the game. There is no such thing as scary games, just people who get scared easily. It's already a dead genre but people keep asking for them.

The early REs' gameplay was necessitated by the limitations of the hardware at the time. For the environmental detail they wanted to achieve, they had to bake prerendered scenes and then drop 3d models into them.

RE4 is a much better game design-wise. I would love to see the original RE remade using such an engine.

I miss the old RE. The game was unique at the time. The story was amazing, the character development in resident evil was great( Wesker, Jill, Barry and Chris) and the atmosphere was creepy and scary, the zombies and the creatures! And there weren't alot of ammo to find! If we needed health we had to combined the herbs!

Now, its not the same! The story isn't that strong, TOO much shooting and less horror :/ And now you get almost infinite ammo.. Just sad how RE turns into a Call of duty game

@-paranorman-: Siren: Blood Curse, Outlast, Dreadout, and Fatal Frame come to mind.

I haven't played the others but, Fatal Frame wasn't scary to me. My cousin and I spent most of the time looking at the gallery of pictures we took and making fun of the ghosts if they looked like they were talking or singing. Penumbra and Amnesia who both happened to get high praise on the fear factor didn't scare me either but I had a blast playing them.

Well, the original Resident Evil was never unique (being a clone of Alone in the Dark, but with more guns and less Lovecraftian horror)...and for what it's worth, you'll definitely run out of ammo on RE4-6's higher difficulties.

Meanwhile, I have to say that I enjoyed RE4-6 a hell of a lot more than Capcom's attempt to go back to their roots in RE: Revelation. I know fans praise it for being more like the older games...but there are literal corridor shooter segments in broad daylight, the story is on the awful side of over-the-top (unlike 4-6, which are hilarious fun), and the level design was exceptionally bland.

@Xeno_ghost

Enough about that.... Many people came hear to see my rants about co-op and Horror and how Shinji Mikami's greatest work is actually Vanquish, not President Evil.

Because more and more corporate shareholder pleasing crap is shovelled out usign bought out franchises that are just a name and not the quality that made them good.